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Posted 10 November 2017 - 06:12 PM

Apparently, in the last two months at least 100,000 people have left Puerto Rico for Florida alone, and significant numbers have gone to other states as well. It remains to be seen how many of these relocations will be permanent.

According to one analysis, PR will lose 14% of its population in the next two years.

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 12:16 PM

Another update on the death toll. It sounds like the official figures were ridiculously low.

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According to a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine Tuesday, researchers have concluded that the death toll in Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria is more than 70 times the official count of 64 casualties, adding a lowball figure of at least 4,645 unrecorded deaths.

Per the study, it is especially challenging to tally death tolls after disasters like Hurricane Maria when infrastructure and health resources have fallen apart. The CDC reportedly classifies deaths as attributable to the storm if they are caused by “forces related to the event, such as flying debris, or if they are caused by unsafe or unhealthy conditions resulting in injury, illness, or loss of necessary medical services.”

The process is made even more difficult in Puerto Rico because all disaster-related deaths must be verified by the Institute of Forensic Sciences, which entails either transporting all the bodies to San Juan or waiting for a medical examiner to travel out and check the corpse.

The survey found that interrupted medical care was the most prominent cause of death in the months after the storm, and that there was a high correlation between remoteness and loss of health services and electricity.

The authors of the study conclude that, based on their research, there are probably about 5,000 dead Puerto Ricans who have gone thus far uncounted.

I understand these figures may have some of the issues but 5,000 dead would make it the second deadliest hurricane in U.S. history. Even if others are higher I suspect it's still in the top 10 if not top 5.
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Posted 29 May 2018 - 12:33 PM

I'd heard an estimate of 4K, but the published data is even higher.
And whenever they do this, its hard to accurately determine the real numbers and you can never tell who died from depression or not getting their meds or drank themselves to death so even with CDC estimates, I'm pretty sure they're on the conservative side.

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 12:46 PM

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 01:34 PM

Puerto Rico's electrical grid restoration is a cluster-f***.

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After an eight-month, $3.8 billion federal effort to try to end the longest blackout in United States history, officials say Puerto Rico’s public electrical authority, the nation’s largest, is almost certain to collapse again when the next hurricane hits this island of 3.3 million people.

“It’s a highly fragile and vulnerable system that really could suffer worse damage than it suffered with Maria in the face of another natural catastrophe,” Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rossello said.

Another weather disaster is increasingly likely as warmer seas turbocharge the strongest hurricanes into even more powerful and wetter storms. Federal forecasters say there’s a 75 percent likelihood that the 2018 Atlantic hurricane season, which begins Friday, will produce between five and nine hurricanes. And there’s a 70 percent chance that as many as four of those could be major Category 3, 4, or 5 hurricanes, with winds of 111 mph (179 kph) or higher.

“It’s inevitable that Puerto Rico will get hit again,” said Assistant Secretary Bruce Walker, head of the U.S. Department of Energy’s Office of Electricity, which is planning the long-term redesign of the grid run by the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority.

Despite the billions plowed into the grid since Maria hit on Sept. 20, 2017, Puerto Rican officials warn that it could take far less than a Category 4 storm like Maria to cause a blackout like the one that persists today, with some 11,820 homes and businesses still without power.

“The grid is there, but the grid isn’t there. It’s teetering,” said Hector Pesquera, Puerto Rico’s commissioner of public safety. “Even if it’s a (Category) 1, it is in such a state that I think we’re going to lose power. I don’t know for how long.”

Federal officials and Puerto Rican leaders blame decades of mismanagement that left the island’s power authority more than $9 billion in debt after declaring bankruptcy last year. Expensive projects were launched then cancelled. Politicians approved cheap power for well-connected corporations. By the time Maria hit, wooden power poles were rotted, transmission towers had rusted through and overgrown trees menaced thousands of miles of power lines.

In many places across Puerto Rico, federal emergency funds allocated in the aftermath of the disaster made up for years of neglected maintenance, replacing decaying infrastructure with tens of thousands of new poles and hundreds of miles of power lines rushed from the U.S. mainland at a steep premium.

But in other areas, crews without adequate supplies patched together damaged poles and power lines in a desperate push to restore power. In the western highlands, power cables were spliced together and woven haphazardly through trees in blatant violation of basic safety codes. In Pagan’s town of Cain Alto and at least one other location, trees were used as makeshift power poles in the absence of proper equipment.

“We patched things up. We worked with the little material that was available and we recycled material. We took the 1,000 feet of wire that was on the ground and we strung it up in another area,” one power authority worker said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation from management. “We took the post that had fallen over or broken and we put it up somewhere else. A lot of the work is defective.”

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 02:05 PM

View PostLFC, on 31 May 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:


I've got a friend (yes, its true...) who owns three properties in PR including his mom's home and two three-bedroom rentals. In one of them, his property is a quarter mile from the Gulf of Mexico, a few hundred feet above sea level, with a neighbor's property between him and the sea.

He now has water front views. Almost every tree in his neighbor's property was destroyed. This wasn't just Maria, Hurricane Jose hit a few weeks earlier and the joke was the next one would be Hurricane Jesus.

Edit: In the US we have National Electrical Code (NEC) which absolutely forbids the use of live trees as power poles, for any AC line. If I had a buck for every time I've seen them used incorrectly on private property, I could rebuild half of PR.
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:44 AM

The Puerto Rican government quietly admitted that the real death toll is over 20X higher than the official death toll of 64.

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Puerto Rico has conceded that Hurricane Maria killed more than 1,400 people on the island last year and not just the 64 in the official death toll.

The government acknowledged the higher death toll with no fanfare in a report submitted to Congress this week in which it detailed a $139 billion reconstruction plan for the island.

That quiet acknowledgement was first reported Thursday by The New York Times.

Puerto Rican officials have admitted that more than 64 people likely died from the powerful storm that knocked out the power grid and caused widespread flooding that made many roads impassable. But a more exact number has been a matter of debate that the government has sought to end by commissioning an academic study due out in coming weeks.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 11:32 AM

A statistical analysis comparing deaths in the months after to the same period a year earlier suggested a much higher mean estimate than that. But this study did note the lower numbers could be just as valid
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 03:42 PM

They finally have power fully restored just a mere 328 days after the hurricane.
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 03:45 PM

View PostLFC, on 15 August 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

They finally have power fully restored just a mere 328 days after the hurricane.
They had a terrible manpower shortage, since it all boiled down to one man
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 03:51 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 15 August 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

They had a terrible manpower shortage, since it all boiled down to one man temperamental, idiotic, powdery man-baby

FTFY
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Posted 15 August 2018 - 05:39 PM

View PostLFC, on 15 August 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

View Postpnwguy, on 15 August 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

They had a terrible manpower shortage, since it all boiled down to one man temperamental, idiotic, powdery man-baby
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FTFY

You forgot a tiny di... er, hands.
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:22 AM

Looks like an independent study has shone a light on the reality of Puerto Rico's death toll. Remember Trump said that the impact of the hurricane wasn't that bad because so few people died. So much for "a few" dying.

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An estimated 2,975 people died in the six months after Hurricane Maria as a result of the storm, with the elderly and impoverished most affected, according to a long-awaited independent study ordered by the U.S. territory’s government that was released Tuesday.

The findings contrast sharply with the official death toll of 64, and are about double the government’s previous interim estimate of 1,400 deaths.

Researchers with The Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University said the official death count from the Category 4 storm that hit on Sept. 20 was low in part because physicians were not trained on how to certify deaths after a disaster.

There was a 22 percent overall increase in the number of deaths from September 2017 to February 2018 compared to previous years in the same time period, Lynn Goldman, dean of the institute, told reporters.

“We are hopeful that the government will accept this as an official death toll,” she said.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 12:33 PM

As we brace for the upcoming hurricane Trump brags how great his response was to Puerto Rico.

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We got A Pluses for our recent hurricane work in Texas and Florida (and did an unappreciated great job in Puerto Rico, even though an inaccessible island with very poor electricity and a totally incompetent Mayor of San Juan). We are ready for the big one that is coming!

The mayor of San Juan begs to differ.

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Success? Federal response according to Trump in Puerto Rico a success? If he thinks the death of 3,000 people a success God help us all.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:54 PM

More on Trump's self-awarded A+ response.

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“We didn’t have electricity for two months, but we had a generator so I was able to start serving people a week after the storm,” says Victor Díaz, a pharmacist in Utuado who says he lost “at least” five patients to death in the wake of the hurricane. “I had to go to San Juan almost every day to get merchandise because no one was bringing it. It was chaos. You had to wait from one day to the other, or go to Arecibo or Manatí, looking for gas. And things have not gone back to normal, we are not even at 30 percent of what we were before the hurricane.”

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“The lack of response was worse than the hurricane,” says Cynthia García Coll, a psychologist and visiting professor at the Universidad de Puerto Rico. “If there had been immediate response, it would have been a completely different story. What Maria did, no one was protected. People who had diabetes and renal patients and those who had cancer just died and died and died.”

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:52 AM

Trump lies about the death toll. In other words SOP for this President.

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In his common practice of denying the veracity of facts he doesn’t like, President Donald Trump is contradicting, without evidence, the Puerto Rican government’s official tally of 2,975 people who died during or as a result of Hurricane Maria.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 12:12 PM

San Juan's mayor is bashing Trump again after he lied about the number of deaths from the hurricane. In full:

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After Donald Trump denied Thursday morning that Hurricane Maria led to nearly 3,000 deaths on Puerto Rico, San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz took to Twitter to bash the president’s attempt to negate her island’s devastation. “This is what denial following neglect looks like,” Cruz wrote. “Mr Pres in the real world people died on your watch. YOUR LACK OF RESPECT IS APPALLING!” In subsequent tweets, she went further: “Mr Trump you can try and bully us with your tweets BUT WE KNOW OUR LIVES MATTER. You will never take away our self respect. Shame on you!” Her tweets included screenshots of President Trump’s offending comments, in which Trump flatly negated the George Washington University’s findings that nearly 3,000 people died in the aftermath of Maria, and blamed Democrats for falsely inflating the numbers. Cruz fired back in another tweet: “Simply put: delusional, paranoid, and unhinged from any sense of reality. Trump is so vain he thinks this is about him. NO IT IS NOT.”

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 08:45 PM

Privatization, what a great f***ing idea.

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Mr. Rodríguez wasn’t the only homeowner who complained after the devastating storm — the worst to hit Puerto Rico in 89 years — that federal taxpayers were being charged far more for emergency home repairs than residents ever saw in improvements to their homes.

Extravagant markups, overhead and multiple levels of middlemen have helped lead to huge costs in the FEMA-financed repair program. Known as Tu Hogar Renace — Your Home Reborn — the program is spending $1.2 billion in Puerto Rico to repair up to 120,000 homes.

More than 60 percent of what FEMA is spending in the program, the largest emergency housing program in the agency’s history, is not paying for roofs, windows or doors, The New York Times found in a review of its expenditures. Instead, it is going toward overhead, profit and steep markups.

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Homeowners, who were approved for up to $20,000 each in aid, in nearly every case received less than half of what they were approved for, while layers of contractors and middlemen took the rest, a review of hundreds of invoices and contracts associated with the program shows.

The significant costs of transportation, warehousing, insurance and other services that are built into the prices for repairs are not unusual for FEMA disaster relief programs, which reflect the substantial expense of operating in disaster zones. But in Puerto Rico those costs were often so much greater than what would have been possible if homeowners had done the work themselves that they caused a public uproar.

A local opposition legislator, Luis Vega Ramos, called the housing program, which is operated by the Puerto Rico Department of Housing with FEMA funding, a mixture of “incompetence and corruption.” He called for federal investigators to examine the contracts awarded to repair companies to make sure the government was getting what it paid for.

“The government’s responsibility is to watch out, to be custodians of the proper and effective use of those funds,” he said. “I don’t understand why they need to pay hundreds of millions of those dollars to middlemen who turn around and permit overpricing.”

The pricing issues and widespread complaints of long waits and shoddy work highlight the challenges of managing a billion-dollar disaster aid program in a region that is far from the mainland, with institutions that historically have had limited outside oversight or accountability.

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Posted 16 December 2018 - 07:33 AM

Makes you wonder what Zinke's pals, who "won" the voided reconstruction contract, would have charged...
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 01:16 PM

Trump wanted to cut off all funds for Puerto Rico over some hissy fit or another. It was egregious enough that one of the top HUD officials resigned.

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A top Housing and Urban Development official is due to leave the agency Thursday following disagreements with other officials about the Trump administration’s attempt to block hurricane-recovery funds for Puerto Rico, The Washington Post reports. Deputy Secretary Pam Patenaude, second-in-command at the agency, officially submitted her resignation on Dec. 17 after Trump reportedly wanted to cut off all funding to Puerto Rico because he believed the territory was using the funds to pay off debt, the Post reports. Trump reportedly told then-Chief of Staff John Kelly and then-Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney that he did not want a “single dollar” going to Puerto Rico, and wanted more money to go to Texas and Florida. According to the Post, Patenaude then had a meeting with White House officials and insisted that HUD get proper oversight over the funds. “I didn’t push back,” Patenaude told the Post. “I advocated for Puerto Rico and assured the White House that Puerto Rico had sufficient financial controls in place and had put together a thoughtful housing and economic development recovery plan.”

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