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Posted 22 November 2016 - 12:00 PM

I know both Traveler and I have preached the failure of Democrats to fight, and fight hard, for what they want. Tomasky has a good piece on the same topic and why the Dems have to say "no" to Trump. He also gives some good suggestions for what to do. First up, connect with your base again. This is in context of Dems working with Reagan W on policies that went against Democratic policy and were ultimate failures.

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In casting these votes, Democrats went against the passion of their grassroots. This has been a key difference between the two parties for a good 20 years now: The Republicans relentlessly pander to their base, while the Democrats keep theirs at arm’s length (think of the way Pelosi immediately slammed the door shut on impeachment talk when she became Speaker in 2007).

That has to be different now. They shouldn’t pander to the base as abjectly as the Republicans do, because that’s what got us to Trump. But they do need to listen more and be less afraid of Republican attacks.

The Democratic Party, as an actually existing thing, has four main parts to it: one, the elected officials; two, the money people; three, the people (a few thousand) who work in the trenches for the various progressive causes; four, the energized base (as opposed to people who just vote once every four years). The four parts don’t really talk to each other. That must change.

Elected officials have to see that they need to take the idea of energizing the base seriously. Again, here, Schumer made a positive and, to me, surprising move when he came out so quickly for Keith Ellison as the new DNC chair. Ellison is well to Schumer’s left, but Senate sources tell me that Schumer recognized that the official party, the one’s and the two’s, have to do a better job of making the four’s feel they’re being heard.

He also talks about funding the activists out there and gives a great example. The Democrats need to foster their watchdogs, muckrakers if you will, to counteract those on the right.

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Let me give you one telling example. As I wrote more than once during the campaign, Judicial Watch did a lot, in this campaign and over many years, to darken Hillary Clinton’s image in the minds of average Americans. They did this through FOIA request after FOIA request, getting their teams of lawyers to comb through every document, and turning up stuff that could be peddled as dirt and that informed the way the mainstream media wrote about Clinton—the assumptions made, the adjectives used, and so on. Judicial Watch has a $30 million annual budget.

Now: Don’t you think liberalism could use a Judicial Watch of its own to file FOIA after FOIA after FOIA on the Trump administration? It sure could. The group would have a field day with this guy. The revelations that would come out would make for a constant media barrage hitting Trump on ethics. He’d be on the defensive all the time.

Well—there is no such group. No one has funded it. Actually, there is one group in Washington that may be capable of doing this work, the Committee for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW). It’s a good outfit. But CREW’s budget is just $2 million.

You hear a lot about George Soros and rich Hollywood liberals, and you probably just assume that liberals spend more money on this kind of activity than conservatives. Not so. There are far more rich conservatives than liberals for the obvious reason that having pots of money tends to make people conservative—and tends to make them want to invest in the politicians who’ll protect their money.

And so it’s the right that spends more. Rob Stein, the founder of the Democracy Alliance, the group of wealthy liberal donors that tries to coordinate investment in a progressive infrastructure, has studied this question for years. He told me: “The right has been building its infrastructure for more than 40 years. Whereas 10 years ago the right’s independent political apparatus was outspending progressives in electorally relevant state-based political mobilization by over two to one, in this cycle that margin appears to have been in excess of four to one.”

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Posted 22 November 2016 - 01:16 PM

Good points all. Link?
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Posted 22 November 2016 - 02:47 PM

View PostTraveler, on 22 November 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

Good points all. Link?

Sorry about that.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 22 November 2016 - 03:52 PM

I'm glad those smarter than me have come up with the same conclusion:

There needs to be Democratic attack dogs hounding the GOP on every possible move, law, etc they propose. One of the nice touches would be identify in no uncertain terms WHO benefits from that proposals.

Shumer and Pelosi need to appoint attack dog(s) and set them loose at every proposal. Keep hammering in Congress. Schmooze people to fund the Democracy Alliance.
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Posted 23 November 2016 - 12:10 AM

You mean like Anthony Wiener and Alan Grayson? They need to be smarter and classier than what we have had.
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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:19 AM

View PostAnBr, on 23 November 2016 - 12:10 AM, said:

You mean like Anthony Wiener and Alan Grayson? They need to be smarter and classier than what we have had.

No, like Barney. Man I miss him.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 12:00 AM

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If I have to listen to one more Brooklyn- or DC- or Bay Area-dwelling Hot Take artist explain that Democrats lost this election because they didn't do enough for (or pay enough attention to) Rust Belt, low-education white people I am going to put my foot through…I don't know, Ezra Klein's head. Post-election narratives rarely do more than provide an oversimplified explanation – in the form of a conveniently untestable hypothesis – but in some cases they actively distort the truth.

Explain exactly how the Democratic Party wrote off white Rust Belt voters. By trying to make sure they had health care access when their employers stopped offering benefits? By supporting unions that might actually provide them some job security or wages over $10/hr? By supporting and trying to increase minimum wage? By trying to protect the social safety net, including unemployment benefits and workers comp, that Republicans have been hacking away at for decades? That's an odd definition of "ignored." The implication that if only the Democrats had worked a little harder these voters would have been satisfied is ridiculous.

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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 09:18 AM

Yeah, but DJT enables them to punch down at people they don't like. Priceless!

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 06:09 PM

There are Democrats who STILL think bipartisanship is possible. WTF are they smoking?

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For Democratic presidential candidates pledging to help break the partisan fever in Washington D.C., the party’s base has a resounding message: Don’t.

Over the past week, several Democrats running for office, as well as those hinting at a run to come, have either subtly or overtly made the case that their relationships and good rapport with Republicans would be an asset should they win the White House.

Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) leaned into her emerging standing as a bipartisan pragmatist during her speech at the annual Gridiron dinner. Former Vice President Joe Biden reinforced his reputation for cross-party chumminess by praising his successor, Mike Pence, as a “decent guy.” And in his first interview as an official candidate for president, former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper said he’d move his agenda forward by sitting across from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and forging consensus.

“When I come into office, I would go to Mitch McConnell to his office and I would sit down with him and say, “Now what is the issue again?” and we would talk and I would continue to speak back to him ” the former Democratic governor of Colorado said on ABC’s Good Morning America. He added: “It sounds silly, right?”

For Democratic operatives and veterans of President Obama’s administration it did, indeed, sound silly.

“I don't know whether to laugh or cry,” Ben LaBolt, former national press secretary for Obama’s re-election campaign, said. “I think all of the pixie dust in the world couldn't make that happen. Believe me, we tried it. We said it. We prayed for it. It wasn't going to happen. It's not going happen now and it's not going to happen ever.”

The cynicism now about working with McConnell is the product of what Democrats say is years of wrongly assuming that he and his fellow Republicans could be moved by persuasion. Obama officials in particular held on to the mantra that the “fever” of Republican opposition to the president would break once they recognized how politically unpalatable such a posture was.


Meanwhile there are a lot of Democratic fighters in Congress. Nancy kicked them square in the teeth over the shutdown and won. She's currently shoving the national "emergency" up their noses. They're going after Trump, and Co. with hammers and tongs and with zero shits to give over Republican whining and hand-wringing about partisanship. They ripped racist Rep. Steve King apart for his vile comments. They called Rep. Mark Meadows on his little racial prop, unapologetic as he unsuccessfully tried to turn it back on them. Rep. Ilhan Omar got attacked over what was called an anti-Semitic tweet and Dems did the same to Rep. Jim Jordan. Kevin McCarthy tried to take a dig at Adam Schiff's investigation and he got smacked down as a sycophant.

It's happening, folks. The Democrats are finally fighting back and fighting dirty (though truthfully). About f***in' time.
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Posted 05 March 2019 - 06:27 PM

View PostLFC, on 05 March 2019 - 06:09 PM, said:

WTF are they smoking?
You need ask? Remember, the Blue States are increasingly the Green States
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Posted 05 March 2019 - 06:41 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 05 March 2019 - 06:27 PM, said:

You need ask? Remember, the Blue States are increasingly the Green States

And John Boehner sees a business opportunity!
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:07 PM

More Democratic fighting against the tyranny of the right, not giving a damn about how much they whine about it being "unfair". FINALLY!

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The Democratic National Committee will not hold any of its dozen planned debates for the 2020 presidential primary on Fox News, chairman Tom Perez announced Wednesday.

Last month, the DNC chair said the committee was actively in discussions about holding a Fox News-hosted debate and that the network had reportedly submitted a detailed plan about doing so, emphasizing how the network handled a large amount of candidates in the Republican presidential primary last cycle.

Despite some activist pushback at even the possibility of Fox involvement in a debate, it was Jane Mayer’s exposé this week in The New Yorker that pushed Perez to make this decision.

“I believe that a key pathway to victory is to continue to expand our electorate and reach all voters. That is why I have made it a priority to talk to a broad array of potential media partners, including FOX News,” Perez said in a statement first reported by Washington Post and provided to The Daily Beast.

“Recent reporting in the New Yorker on the inappropriate relationship between President Trump, his administration and FOX News has led me to conclude that the network is not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate for our candidates,” he continued. “Therefore, FOX News will not serve as a media partner for the 2020 Democratic primary debates.”

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Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:20 PM

View PostLFC, on 05 March 2019 - 06:09 PM, said:

There are Democrats who STILL think bipartisanship is possible. WTF are they smoking?




Meanwhile there are a lot of Democratic fighters in Congress. Nancy kicked them square in the teeth over the shutdown and won. She's currently shoving the national "emergency" up their noses. They're going after Trump, and Co. with hammers and tongs and with zero shits to give over Republican whining and hand-wringing about partisanship. They ripped racist Rep. Steve King apart for his vile comments. They called Rep. Mark Meadows on his little racial prop, unapologetic as he unsuccessfully tried to turn it back on them. Rep. Ilhan Omar got attacked over what was called an anti-Semitic tweet and Dems did the same to Rep. Jim Jordan. Kevin McCarthy tried to take a dig at Adam Schiff's investigation and he got smacked down as a sycophant.

It's happening, folks. The Democrats are finally fighting back and fighting dirty (though truthfully). About f***in' time.

Gen Patton's philosophy in battle was to keep attacking: don't give the enemy a chance to regroup. His famous (real) quote about "grabbing them by the nose and kicking them in the a$$" is what is needed right now. Whatever the GOP may say or do: throw it back in their faces and keep attacking.

I give major kudos to Speaker Pelosi for her shutdown tactics. She will definitely not roll over and play dead. I've noted there are very few tweets about the Speaker from the WH. I also note my Trumperbot friends haven't posted many "anti Nancy" memes. I'm thinking the word came down NOT to tick her off or there would be a spiked heel in their eye.
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:44 PM

The Democrats need to explore bipartisanship with each other.

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Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:54 PM

Amen!
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 04:11 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 March 2019 - 03:07 PM, said:

More Democratic fighting against the tyranny of the right, not giving a damn about how much they whine about it being "unfair". FINALLY!

BWAHAHAHA! Faux News is begging to get some love back. Don't do it, Dems. They are a propaganda outlet and don't deserve to be treated as anything but.

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In a statement on Wednesday, Fox News pleaded with the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to reconsider an offer for presidential candidates to debate on the conservative network.

Democrats announced on Wednesday that the party was rejecting the idea of a primary debate on Fox News because of the network’s troubling relationship with President Donald Trump. In one case, Trump was reportedly advised of debate questions in advance.

Fox News Senior Vice President Bill Sammon responded by promising “the ultimate journalistic integrity.”

“We hope the DNC will reconsider its decision to bar Chris Wallace, Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum, all of whom embody journalistic integrity and professionalism, from moderating a Democratic presidential debate,” Sammon said. “They’re the best debate team in the business and they offer candidates an important opportunity to make their case to the largest TV news audience in America, which includes many persuadable voters.”

I remember when Brit Hume, current Faux News mouthpiece, was allowed to moderate a debate (I think it may have been V-P). He was a trainwreck. I don't expect anybody with the "integrity" that allows them to work at Faux to be any better.
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 04:21 PM

Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY) calling a lie a lie. Now if the MSM could just grow a pair and do the same.

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ep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY) on Wednesday shot down President Donald Trump’s allegations that House Democrats are going on a “fishing expedition” with their multiple investigations into his presidency.

During a CNN interview, host Kate Bolduan asked Meeks whether there was any validity to Trump’s charges that he and his colleagues were overreaching in their broad inquiries into the president’s actions over the past two years, and Meeks said there was not given that the president continues to lie about what he has done.

“Basically, why we have to go at this in this way is, he’s continuing to lie,” Meeks said. “For example, when you talk about the security clearances, he said he had nothing to do with it. Then all the evidence comes out that he did have something to do with it. It’s lie after lie after lie from this White House.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:24 AM

The DNC tells Faux News that the issue isn't with their journalists, it's with the highest levels of management. GOOD! If the Republicans want to screech "FAKE NEWS!" at every reality based story that they don't like then the Dems need to call out actual fake news which Faux is riddled with.

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The Democratic National Committee decided not to partner with Fox News for its primary debates this year because leadership doesn’t trust the people “at the highest levels of Fox News,” not because it has an issue with Fox journalists, Chairman Tom Perez said.

During an interview with MSNBC on Wednesday evening, Perez said that he has “great respect” for journalists and Fox News hosts like Chris Wallace, who typically moderate debates for the network. But after the publication of the New Yorker story detailing Rupert Murdoch’s allegiance to Trump and how that impacted the network’s coverage of the 2016 election, the DNC decided to sever ties.

“I have great respect for Chris Wallace, and my concern is not about Chris Wallace,” Perez told MSNBC’s Chris Hayes. “It’s about people above Chris Wallace. Because what we have seen now — and it’s been most recently now in the New Yorker story — is that at the highest levels of Fox News, they’re not playing it straight. And again, this isn’t about Chris Wallace. I have respect for him. But I do not have the confidence that we need to take such an important part of the nomination process, these debates, and trust them to folks who, at the top levels, are consulting Donald Trump before they do anything. I couldn’t do that.”


Some idiot journalists have to wring their hands because they're incapable of calling Faux News out for what it is; the single largest Republican Party propaganda outlet that exists. (I'd also like people to recall that they were caught accepting memos from the George W administration so they could coordinate their talking points so this is hardly new collusion.) Josh Marshall tries to set them straight.

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I’ve seen a lot of journalists complaining that the DNC is somehow showing fear, or unwillingness to take tough questions or even some hostility to press freedom by rejecting a 2020 primary debate with Fox News. This is silly. Some non-journalists seem to be confused about the difference between access and debate sponsorship. But journalists know this difference. So they’re being silly.

Hosting a debate is not access. It’s an institutional collaboration between a political organization and a news organization. Fox News has a number of journalists who are good journalists on their own. But as an organization Fox exists as and is run to damage Democrats. We’ve seen new evidence of this this week from Jane Mayer in The New Yorker, killing a story one of its reporters already had because it might be damaging to President Trump. But we already knew this was the case.

The idea that the Democratic party would partner with such an organization to run a debate is frankly bizarre. Why not choose the Wisconsin GOP to host one? Or perhaps a better analogy would be American Crossroads, the GOP SuperPac founded by Karl Rove.


Trump threatens to retaliate against "fake news" by doing the same thing. I say go ahead. Forego the spotlight in front of tens of millions of people. We really don't mind. It's not like you have anything substantive to bring to the table so slink off to your ass kissers and throw your Trump Tantrum over there. He clearly wants this divide so let's give it to him.

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In a dizzying tweet on Wednesday evening, President Trump appeared to threaten to not debate “Radical Left Democrats” or appear on CNN or MSNBC for debates during the 2020 election.

The tweet was in response to news that the Democratic National Committee won’t partner with Fox News for 2020 primary debates. The DNC announced the decision on Wednesday, citing a New Yorker story that dropped this week, alleging that Fox News killed stories not favorable to Trump during the 2016 election.

“Good, then I think I’ll do the same thing with the Fake News Networks and the Radical Left Democrats,” he tweeted. It’s unclear what exactly he means.

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 06:48 PM

View PostJackD, on 06 March 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

The Democrats need to explore bipartisanship with each other.

Much can be achieved if they do. Again I refer to Richard Rorty:

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“I propose to use the term reformist Left,” Rorty wrote, “to cover all those Americans who, between 1900 and 1964, struggled within the framework of constitutional democracy to protect the weak from the strong.” The emphasis on constitutional democracy is paramount here. Reformists believed in the system, and wanted to improve it from within.

Before the 1960s, the American left was largely reformist in its orientation to politics. Think of the people who engineered the New Deal or the Ivy-educated technocrats that joined Kennedy in the White House. John Kenneth Galbraith, the liberal economist and public official who served in the administrations of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson, is a favorite of Rorty’s. These were the liberals who weren’t socialist radicals but nevertheless worked to promote the same causes within and through the system. They were liberal reformers, not revolutionary leftists, and they got things done.

The reformist left was a big tent. It included people who thought of themselves as communists and socialist as well as moderate left-of-center Democrats. What united them was a devotion to pragmatic reform; there were no purity tests, no totalizing calls for revolution, as was common among Marxists at the time. But they were “feared and hated by the Right” because they gave us the fundaments of the modern welfare state.

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 09:06 PM

Interesting piece. The problem I see with it is that it envisions a clear overall plan to be worked toward through the mundane issues that confront us day to day. I don't reject this as undesirable; rather I think we get lost in the weeds as issues lay out and that results in systems that are more accidental than carefully designed. Just look at how Obamacare rolled out. I don't recommend that but predict it as typical. In an oddly clunky way, fixing the imperfect solutions we create that don't work as we hoped, is often the best way forward since the "perfect" solution (medicare for all) requires more change than the the body politic is prepared to agree to in one fell swoop. Change in our history has tended to come in pieces (social security; medicare for the elderly, the VA, and so on.). We are humans and are likely to behave like humans into the indefinite future.





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