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#2161 LFC

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 04:07 PM

Here's an info packed piece at Vox on studies concerning renewable energy expansion. The success will depend quite a bit upon the decisions concerning electrical grid and storage decisions made by power companies.

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The US electricity system is at an extremely sensitive and uncertain juncture. In the month of April, for the first time, clean energy supplied 23 percent of US electricity, while coal provided 20 percent, according to Energy Information Administration.

And more and more indicators point toward a future in which wind and solar power play a large role. But that future is not locked in. It still depends in large part on policies and economics that, while moving in the right direction, aren’t there yet.

And so the people who manage US electricity markets and infrastructure, who must make decisions with 20-, 30-, even 50-year consequences, are stuck making high-stakes bets in a haze of uncertainty.

That uncertainty has increased markedly under the recent Republican administration (somewhat ironically, given its oft-stated goal of “regulatory certainty”). Under President Obama, the feds established a consistent cross-agency push toward clean energy. The long-term trajectory was clear.

Now it’s been thrown into doubt. President Trump has embraced fossil fuels, and the owners of struggling coal plants are appealing to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) for bailouts.

Should utilities and market managers bet that the Trumpian revolt against modernity will succeed in slowing the growth of renewable energy? Or should they bet that it’s a passing phase and renewable energy will triumph?

A fascinating bit of research from May (when this piece was first published) from the energy geeks at Lawrence Berkeley National Lab (LBNL) sheds some light on the stakes involved.

In a nutshell, things will look different in an electricity system with lots of variable renewable energy (VRE) — different prices, a different shape of demand, different timing, different needs — and if the people managing the electricity system bet on low VRE and get high, they are going to screw up all sorts of things.

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 11:12 AM

Yet another side effect of global warming may be larger than normal wasp nests.

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Hail the new insect overlords.

Wasps are forming massive “super nests,” with thousands of insects ready to sting, according to agricultural experts in Alabama.

The Alabama Cooperative Extension System warned of nests the size of a Volkswagen Beetle, with as many as 15,000 wasps inside ― up to four times the size of normal nest.

These super nests can be attached to cars, inside garages and sheds, in or on the ground, or on homes.

In most years, the winter freeze kills off many colonies.

But that doesn’t always happen ― and when a colony survives the winter, a super nest can form.

“The queens are the only ones who have an antifreeze compound in their blood,” Charles Ray, an entomologist with the Alabama Cooperative Extension System, told The New York Times.

He said climate change is one reason for the survival of so many colonies:

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So normally, a surviving queen will have to start a colony from scratch in the spring. With our climate becoming warmer, there might be multiple surviving queens producing more than 20,000 eggs each.

The Alabama Extension said this year is already outpacing 2006, when some 90 of these massive super nests were found in the state.

WFSA, the NBC station in Montgomery, said 15 have been found this year so far.

“Any place where it’s good shelter, where it doesn’t freeze, the colony probably won’t die off,” Clint Hester of Stark Exterminators told the station. “So you have the new ones, plus the old workers and double the size of the colony in just one year.”

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Posted 05 July 2019 - 02:02 PM

Research shows a trillion trees could be planted to capture huge amount of carbon dioxide


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But tree planting is “a climate change solution that doesn’t require President Trump to immediately start believing in climate change, or scientists to come up with technological solutions to draw carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere”, Crowther said. “It is available now, it is the cheapest one possible and every one of us can get involved.” Individuals could make a tangible impact by growing trees themselves, donating to forest restoration organisations and avoiding irresponsible companies, he added.

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:03 AM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 05 July 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:


Frequently ignored in the public coverage: young trees sequester more carbon than old growth. So although clear-cutting the Amazon basin is a disaster, thinning forests like those in North America to let younger but still mature trees grow bigger actually takes carbon out of the air. It also reduces the danger of wildfires, but we mostly know that already.
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Posted 16 July 2019 - 02:53 PM

Something to think about as global weirding spreads extreme weather around the world..."Toxic Stew Stirred Up by Disaster Poses Long Term Danger".

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As the dangers become better understood, governments need to do more to contain toxic chemicals during disasters, rather than hoping those chemicals will harmlessly be absorbed into the environment, according to Kimberley Miner, a research assistant professor at the University of Maine who studies climate change and contaminants.
“When I was growing up, they were still saying the solution to pollution is dilution,” Dr. Miner said. “We now know that’s absolutely not true.”


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 03:24 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 16 July 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:


The title suggests it should be in the "Trump Phenomenon" thread.
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Posted 17 July 2019 - 05:19 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 17 July 2019 - 03:24 AM, said:

The title suggests it should be in the "Trump Phenomenon" thread.

Or Trump/Zinke, or "Trump Administration"
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Posted 17 July 2019 - 01:20 PM

Online porn contributes to global warming. [add adolescent yet still funny joke of choice here]

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Video streaming accounts for around 60 percent of all data flow online, which means it also accounts for over 300 million tons of carbon dioxide emissions per year. Since almost a third of streamed video content is pornography, online porn pumps out around 100 million tons of carbon dioxide each year, more than the annual output of Israel.

These figures come from a new report by The Shift Project, a French think tank that aims to limit climate change and our dependence on fossil fuels. In light of their findings, they argue that our digital consumption should be considered when looking at reducing greenhouse gas emissions, just as driving gas-guzzling cars and eating loads of red meat are. They also call on policymakers and architects of the digital space to consider the impacts of online services when designing digital technologies.

“Getting this impact under control requires a transition from digital intemperance to digital sobriety,” the report [PDF] reads. “This means prioritizing the allocation of resources as a function of uses, in order to conform to the planet’s physical boundaries, while preserving the most valuable societal contributions of digital technologies.”

Carbon emissions are produced by the electricity needed to power the production and consumption of digital equipment, including everything from data centers to your smartphone. This new report uses figures from Internet services about global video Internet traffic and its respective energy usage. Electricity consumption was then converted into greenhouse gas emissions.

They concluded that online video viewing, which makes up 60 percent of the world’s data traffic, generated more than 300 million tons of carbon dioxide during 2018. For context, that’s the same carbon footprint as the annual emissions of Spain.

Pornography makes up around 27 percent of the word’s streaming. Video-on-demand services, such as Netflix and Hulu, account for around 34 percent, while “tube” serves, like YouTube, equate to 21 percent. The remaining chunk was accounted for by Skype calls, “camgirls”, live video monitoring, and telemedicine.

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 02:03 PM

Hottest June on record in 140 years. Or as Republicans call it, "natural variation."

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If you thought last month felt really, really hot, you were right. June 2019 was the hottest June on record for the globe. And, it was the second month in a row that balmy temperatures caused Antarctic sea ice coverage to reach a record low.

The sizzling average land and sea temperature of June 2019 was 1.71 degrees Fahrenheit (0.95 degrees Celsius) above the global average temp of 59.9 F (15.5 C), making June 2019 the hottest June in 140 years, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) National Centers for Environmental Information. Nine of the top 10 hottest Junes have occurred since 2010.

In the U.S., Alaska had its second-warmest June since the state started keeping records in 1925. And although the Hawaiian islands are pretty much always balmy, the tropical region experienced its hottest June this year as well. The same goes for the Gulf of Mexico.

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Posted 29 July 2019 - 10:51 PM

Ken Ham: Climate Change Isn’t a Big Deal Since Noah Dealt With a Global Flood
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 12:32 AM

Besides, the Rapture is just around the corner, so who cares if we burn the place down.




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Posted 30 July 2019 - 06:47 AM

View PostAnBr, on 29 July 2019 - 10:51 PM, said:


I suppose that's cool as long as you're down with everyone but a handful dying, leaving all macrofauna with so little diversity that the third generation will not be viable. (Think of the whole human race reduced to Hapsburgs -- but more so.)
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 09:03 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 30 July 2019 - 06:47 AM, said:

I suppose that's cool as long as you're down with everyone but a handful dying, leaving all macrofauna with so little diversity that the third generation will not be viable. (Think of the whole human race reduced to Hapsburgs -- but more so.)

But you don't understand... Mr. Ham's Ark will save all organismal necessities.


(Can you imagine the next iteration of the human race being derived from Kentucky residents? With McConnell playing the role of Noah?)
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 09:55 AM

View PostRue Bella, on 30 July 2019 - 09:03 AM, said:

(Can you imagine the next iteration of the human race being derived from Kentucky residents? With McConnell playing the role of Noah?)

Only in the "too drunk to cover himself" scene.
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 12:54 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 30 July 2019 - 12:32 AM, said:

Besides, the Rapture is just around the corner, so who cares if we burn the place down.
What??? No Rapture???

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If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we have the military pay to protecting the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes up very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.


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Posted 30 July 2019 - 01:58 PM

Just heard on the radio, CT hit a record 18 days in July above 90°F. We're also set to exceed average record temp for July by a few tenths of a degree.

I know that's nothing compared to our regulars living in southern states, but CT is supposed to be mild weather dammit!
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 02:36 PM

View PostHockeyDon, on 30 July 2019 - 01:58 PM, said:

Just heard on the radio, CT hit a record 18 days in July above 90°F. We're also set to exceed average record temp for July by a few tenths of a degree.

I know that's nothing compared to our regulars living in southern states, but CT is supposed to be mild weather dammit!

This should be day 11 of 90+ for July in upstate NY.
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 03:50 PM

I'll be damned, but here in the grease coast suburbs of Philly we had 17 days 90 or above at Philly airport which is hotter than here. Most were right at 90- over 90 was 12. Surprised that we are cooler than folks up north. We got a ton of evening thunderstorms lately. That cools things off.
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 03:56 PM

View PostTraveler, on 30 July 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

I'll be damned, but here in the grease coast suburbs of Philly we had 17 days 90 or above at Philly airport which is hotter than here. Most were right at 90- over 90 was 12. Surprised that we are cooler than folks up north. We got a ton of evening thunderstorms lately. That cools things off.

As I write, I’m at my mother in law’s house in Pennsville NJ. 94 heat index 100.
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If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we have the military pay to protecting the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes up very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.


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Posted 30 July 2019 - 04:12 PM

A California poll (reputable) shows that:

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According to a poll from the Public Policy Institute of California released Monday, a plurality of Republican likely voters — 35 percent — say the effects of global warming “will never happen,” while another 20 percent say the effects won’t happen in their lifetime but will affect future generations. Thirty-one percent of Republicans believe the effects are already being felt.

So this means:

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Rob Stutzman, a Republican political consultant, said it’s undeniable global warming is having an impact today but urged Democrats to make room for open discussions about all of the contributing factors to rising global temperatures and solutions for reversing it.

He said Republicans are making it difficult for lawmakers in their party to address the growing threat.
“In the polarized tribalism of American politics, it makes governing extremely difficult,” Stutzman said. “There’s no incentive to arrive at sensible solutions, which have commonly been bipartisan in our history.”

Read more here: https://www.sacbee.c...l#storylink=cpy



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What is the point of having discussions if 50% of likely voters either don't think it's ever going to happen and/or is only going to happen after they are dead? Who is going to change their mind?

So in summary, the future quality (or preservation) of life is apparently not incentive enough for elected officials to actually do something to preserve it.
ead more here: https://www.sacbee.c...l#storylink=cpy





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