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#81 J-CA

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 04:34 PM

This whole thing is just the equivalent of someone FOIAing the emails of a prominent scientist and then finding that scientist and another scientist arguing about something in a paper and then concluding on that basis that the paper is invalid and thus global warming is a giant hoax. The whole point of this is to use some technical squabble to somehow refute the enormous amount of evidence that the Syrians have gassed their own people many, many times. And then after that we are supposed to decide that despite the government bombing hospitals and schools the White Helmets are the real terrorists.
This is just getting played by very basic propaganda techniques, it is stupid.

Or Roger Waters will show us all the real truth I guess.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 06:33 PM

Has anyone read the actual document? I just started reading it, now I know why this is a non-story:
http://syriapropagan...uary-2019-1.pdf
When you get to page 6, item 25 you can see what this is all about. The physical characteristics of this particular strike differ from other observed stikes in that the cylinder in question didn't suffer any damage passing through the ceiling of the room it landed in.. because the hole in question was probably made by mortar or artillery round.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 06:48 PM

View PostJ-CA, on 22 May 2019 - 06:33 PM, said:

Has anyone read the actual document? I just started reading it, now I know why this is a non-story:
http://syriapropagan...uary-2019-1.pdf
When you get to page 6, item 25 you can see what this is all about. The physical characteristics of this particular strike differ from other observed stikes in that the cylinder in question didn't suffer any damage passing through the ceiling of the room it landed in.. because the hole in question was probably made by mortar or artillery round.
An engineer you are not. If that were the case the bomb would of gone right through the bed and the floor below too.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:12 PM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 22 May 2019 - 06:48 PM, said:

An engineer you are not. If that were the case the bomb would of gone right through the bed and the floor below too.
No "bombs" involved here.

All this report indicates is that no one knows exactly how that cylinder got there, that's it. Just like my first post said, this is just people studying something, trying to figure out what might have happened and selective leaking is sending every wack-a-doodle Assad sympathizer jumping on it like it is evidence of some multinational conspiracy.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:41 PM

The whole point is 'cylinder' was meant to be dropped from a helicopter by the order of evil Assad. That is why we sent off scores of missiles.

A cylinder dropped from a helicopter hovering at 500m would arrive through the open hole in the roof you described, after a ten second journey, at 100m/s. That is getting on for 340ft per second, the low end speed (400-800fps) of a Colt45 bullet!

A 50Kg bullet hitting a bed would be a sight to behold.
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Posted 23 May 2019 - 11:22 PM

Here is an article about the OPCW leak in the Independent by Robert Fisk. (BTW, try finding it with a google search - I doubt you will get lucky).

https://www.independ...a-a8927116.html

"The OPCW officially maintains that these canisters were probably dropped by an aircraft – probably a helicopter, presumably Syrian – over Douma on 7 April 2018. But the dissenting assessment, which the OPCW made no reference to in its published conclusions, finds there is a “higher probability that both cylinders were manually placed at those two locations rather than being delivered from aircraft”.

It is difficult to underestimate the seriousness of this manipulative act by the OPCW."



I agree!
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Posted 25 May 2019 - 01:41 AM

The official version that the cylinder was dropped from a helicopter has been debunked under every different analysis performed. The size and the shape of the hole in the roof, the crushing of the cylinder and the placing of the cylinder, but the most devastating evidence in the cases of both cylinders are the energy equations on both accounts.

1) The potential energy in both cases from a 500m drop, the absolute minimum height, would still be far in access of the actual crushing observed on BOTH cylinders.
2) Despite the evidence in one above, it transpires that the kinetic energy of the cylinder was magically exactly equal to the energy required to penetrate the roof, not too much, not too little, EXACTLY, so that the cylinder floated down the last couple of meters to gently rest on the bed.

The report completely destroys the theory that the cylinder was dropped from an aircraft. But the report has been stonewalled by the main stream media.

What to expect now? That is easy:-
Continued stone walling to see if the problem goes away.
Proclaim the author, Ian Henderson, was not on the real team, maybe a fringe expect who was consulted for his personal opinion.
Dismiss Ian Henderson's professional ability, maybe personal character.
Concoct another report or two that do support the helicopter theory.

Come on TRS, where are you, something stinks, why is the press not roaring 'Fake', 'Staged', 'OPCW Compromised'? The silence is deafening.
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Posted 25 May 2019 - 04:03 PM

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