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#21 Rich T Bikkies

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 01:39 PM

Thanks, Andy. Of course if I'd Googled it I could have saved you some bother.
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 02:12 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 11 January 2019 - 01:39 PM, said:

Thanks, Andy. Of course if I'd Googled it I could have saved you some bother.
No problem. I actually thought it was Sen Fulbright that said it. I also remember the reactions to that statement.
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 03:15 PM

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 11:08 AM

We are told we have a humanitarian (and security) emergency at the US-Mexico border. Therefore, in response, we posit a solution that in the best case would take at least 5 years to start having any effect. Infallible logic from impenetrable minds.

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 11:37 AM

Anyone care to guess what the ongoing cost of The Great Wall of Trump will be once people in Mexico discover the fun of plinking cameras, corroding fenceposts, and otherwise pranking the divisions assigned to patrol the border [1]?

[1] Not to deal with humans crossing, but to protect The Wall from vandalism.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 04:49 PM

Work is starting as they simply take land from the privately owned National Butterfly Center in Texas. I posted elsewhere some time ago that contractors were caught on the property with heavy equipment tearing out trees and shrubs for surveying lines. The Center received no notification, they refused to provide identification, and they produced nothing giving them permission to do it. They simply showed up on private property and did whatever they wished as the behest of Dear Leader.

This is exactly the type of government abuse of power that the right-wingers screech about on the daily but today they are silent. Huh. Isn't that ... interesting.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 05:28 PM

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ETA: Much of the squealing with the Cliven Bundy crew was about their (private) use of public lands, IIRC. OTOH, this is the government unilaterally taking over privately held land...are they claiming eminent domain, attempting to make an example out of this entity, which clearly is NOT is favor of a wall?
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 06:20 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 10 February 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

OTOH, this is the government unilaterally taking over privately held land...are they claiming eminent domain, attempting to make an example out of this entity, which clearly is NOT is favor of a wall?

We don't need no steenking badges!

Once the land is bulldozed, stripped, and paved over you can sue to be reimbursed for the market value of the desolate wasteland that remains. You may or may not be paid, and if you are it still won't make up for the legal expenses much less the value of what you had beforehand.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:50 AM

View PostLFC, on 10 February 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

Work is starting as they simply take land from the privately owned National Butterfly Center in Texas. I posted elsewhere some time ago that contractors were caught on the property with heavy equipment tearing out trees and shrubs for surveying lines. The Center received no notification, they refused to provide identification, and they produced nothing giving them permission to do it. They simply showed up on private property and did whatever they wished as the behest of Dear Leader.

This is exactly the type of government abuse of power that the right-wingers screech about on the daily but today they are silent. Huh. Isn't that ... interesting.

Texas? The land of the most extreme castle doctrine laws around? The laws that let you (basically) shoot someone on your property for no reason without fear of prosecution?

I mean, I'm just sayin'.
Well, fuck.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:52 AM

View PostBact PhD, on 10 February 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

are they claiming eminent domain, attempting to make an example out of this entity, which clearly is NOT is favor of a wall?

I'm pretty sure there is a lengthy process for eminent domain involving notifications and challenges and such. Oh, and purchasing said property for "fair market value".
Well, fuck.

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 10:31 PM

View PostLFC, on 10 February 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

Work is starting as they simply take land from the privately owned National Butterfly Center in Texas. I posted elsewhere some time ago that contractors were caught on the property with heavy equipment tearing out trees and shrubs for surveying lines. The Center received no notification, they refused to provide identification, and they produced nothing giving them permission to do it. They simply showed up on private property and did whatever they wished as the behest of Dear Leader.

This is exactly the type of government abuse of power that the right-wingers screech about on the daily but today they are silent. Huh. Isn't that ... interesting.

The Butterfly Center is f***ed.

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Coinciding with drastic measures by the White House to build a wall on the southern border, a federal judge threw out a court challenge by a butterfly-conservation center whose 100-acre facility on the Rio Grande in South Texas stands in the way.

“Unfortunately for the plaintiff, the Fourth Amendment offers little refuge for unenclosed land near one of the countries’ external borders,” U.S. District Judge Richard Leon wrote Thursday, dismissing the suit by the North American Butterfly Association.

Though construction of a border wall is set to include 33 new miles of barriers across the Rio Grande Valley, Leon said the challengers made no showing that the government had entered or searched physical structures on the its National Butterfly Center without consent.

The center may be able to seek damages under trespass theory, Leon noted, but he emphasized that the search and seizure clause offers no relief for “open fields,” even when owned privately.

Leon also backed the government’s right to search any privately owned land within 25 miles of bordering countries.

As for the center’s due-process claims, Leon said the government has not made any move to acquire the property in question.

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