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Posted 14 January 2020 - 07:34 PM

That money is not being taken from acquisitions (don't be silly!)

It's coming from base housing for servicemembers and their families, who will also probably be hit by the SNAP cuts.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:18 PM

So now Trump is supposedly going after birth tourism, despite having profited from this in the past.

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The Trump administration has unveiled its latest national security measure—a crackdown on pregnant travelers—leaving both immigration and women’s rights attorneys shaking their heads.

New State Department rules, slated to take effect Friday, allow consular officials to deny tourist visas to anyone they believe may give birth on their trip to the United States. The administration says this is to stop pregnant women from entering the country solely to seek birthright citizenship for their children. But attorneys say it is just another license to discriminate.

“What this measure seems to be doing is creating another basis for discriminating against women in their ability to come to the United States of America,” said Lynn Paltrow, executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women. “It portrays women and people with the capacity for pregnancy as a danger to the United States of America.”

Until now, traveling to the U.S. to give birth has been entirely legal, as long as women did not lie about their intentions on their visa application. The lack of restrictions helped fuel a lucrative “birth tourism” business, in which U.S.-based brokers—including several operating out of Trump properties—charged women tens of thousands of dollars for lodging during their pregnancy and birth.


From that second link. Notice the nationality. Yep, the very same country that bought Trump years ago.

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Anatoliy Kuzmin held out his daughter’s blue U.S. passport over a red Russian one and snapped a photo from a Florida beach.

“Woohoo! Got dual citizenship for my daughter!” he wrote on Instagram.

American citizenship for the newborn girl was the goal of Kuzmin and his Instagram-celebrity wife, who sought the help of birth-tourism services in Florida for the arrival of their first child. They are among the estimated hundreds of Russian parents who flock to the U.S. annually for warm weather, excellent medical care, and, more importantly, birthright American citizenship.

And many, like Kuzmin and his wife, stay at President Donald Trump’s properties in Florida.

While Trump rails against U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants, his Florida properties have become a playground for birth tourists from Russia’s upper crust. The Daily Beast has discovered several companies are advertising rentals in Trump properties to expectant Russian parents. While the Trump Organization does not directly profit from subleases of privately owned condos, it does benefit from Russian patronage of the nearby Trump International Beach Resort. (The Trump Organization did not return requests comment.)

Many of the companies that cater to Russian birth tourists advertise their services openly and warn no one will get in trouble as long as they don’t lie on immigration paperwork.

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:35 PM

 LFC, on 24 January 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

So now Trump is supposedly going after birth tourism, despite having profited from this in the past.
From that second link. Notice the nationality. Yep, the very same country that bought Trump years ago.

Maybe Steve Miller didn't check this out with the boss. Snide note: how many want to bet there will be "exemptions" ?
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:35 PM

Can anyone explain why citizenship should be given to progeny of folks that come here just for that? I may be obtuse, but I don't see the benefit to our country. For sure, if the parents have green cards and a legitimate path to citizenship, then the progeny are eligible, but other than that, I fail to see the benefits.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:51 PM

Please provide a link. I'm interested in how many take advantage of this. I'll also tell you that it has happened in my own family, albeit with dual citizenship. Have the baby, baby gets the citenzenship (mom's right by birth) then they go back to the country in which they live, pay taxes etc. But when the fit hits the shan, they can always come back. They never have, btw. Not quite the same thing, but help me determine what sort of problem this is- numbers.

EDIT: We're not, really, talking about anchor babies. These are people of means, which doesn't necessarily make it any better. But let's just be clear- we don't seem to be talking about women who come from our immediate southern border. Nobody seems to have the number, but around 36K/year seems reasonable, to "counters".
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:33 PM

 LFC, on 24 January 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:


Hah! Never thought Grandma/GrandPa's visit to see their newborn grandchild needed a special name. Or did you have something more ghastly in mind? (Weirdo! ;) )

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 04:08 PM

 Probabilistic, on 24 January 2020 - 02:33 PM, said:

Hah! Never thought Grandma/GrandPa's visit to see their newborn grandchild needed a special name. Or did you have something more ghastly in mind? (Weirdo! ;) )

Now, now. No need to judge others if they're not hurting anybody.
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Posted 29 January 2020 - 09:08 PM

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High winds caused a section of wall along the border between California and Mexico to break off and land on the Mexican side Wednesday, CNN reported.

The section in question had been part of a continuing project attempting to reinforce sections of the wall, according to Agent Carlos Pitones of Customs and Border Patrol’s El Centro, Calif., sector. He told the network that the portion of the wall in Calexico had recently been set in a new concrete foundation that had not yet cured at the time it broke off.

"We are grateful there was no property damage or injuries," he added.

The section landed in a grouping of trees across the border in Mexicali amid winds estimated to have reached 37 miles per hour, according to the network.

Mexicali officials diverted traffic away from the part of the street near where the wall section landed and Pitones said CBP is working with the Mexican government on next steps in the repair process.

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 09:27 PM

View PostTraveler, on 24 January 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Can anyone explain why citizenship should be given to progeny of folks that come here just for that? I may be obtuse, but I don't see the benefit to our country. For sure, if the parents have green cards and a legitimate path to citizenship, then the progeny are eligible, but other than that, I fail to see the benefits.

Because otherwise, the former slaves and their children would never have been citizens in the first place. That also includes the Hispanics who were here before the USA annexed the area, Native tribes, and the subjects of the definitive Supreme Court decision, Chinese laborers brought in as not-quite-slave labor in the West.
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Posted 29 January 2020 - 10:06 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 29 January 2020 - 09:27 PM, said:

Because otherwise, the former slaves and their children would never have been citizens in the first place. That also includes the Hispanics who were here before the USA annexed the area, Native tribes, and the subjects of the definitive Supreme Court decision, Chinese laborers brought in as not-quite-slave labor in the West.

Essentially it was an end run around the Dredd Scott decision. Alternately they could have impeached (or lynched) all the members of the Supreme Court who had voted for it (this was after all during/shortly after the Civil War, so don't think that was farfetched).
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Posted 29 January 2020 - 10:32 PM

https://www.cnn.com/...inds/index.html

Portion of US border wall in California falls over in high winds and lands on Mexican side
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Posted 29 January 2020 - 11:27 PM

No. it's a perfect wall; the best wall that ever was!

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 11:31 PM

"You wouldn't believe how good a wall it was!"

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 02:53 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 29 January 2020 - 11:31 PM, said:

"You wouldn't believe how good a wall it was!"

"That's right, I wouldn't."

That idiom is not just a Trumpism; it's just Trump's personal wording of an almost universal idiom used by people interviewed about almost anything.

"I've always been incredibly supportive of diversity" (or anti-racism, or free college, or minimum wage, whatever).

"Dead right. No sane person ever believed you were".

In the OED this usage is recorded as going back to the nineteenth century. Much I care; it grates. I tell you, it grates.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 07:27 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 30 January 2020 - 02:53 AM, said:

In the OED this usage is recorded as going back to the nineteenth century. Much I care; it grates. I tell you, it grates.

Now that the "wall" is horizontal bars on the ground, it grates too.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 09:09 AM

View PostRue Bella, on 29 January 2020 - 10:32 PM, said:

https://www.cnn.com/...inds/index.html

Portion of US border wall in California falls over in high winds and lands on Mexican side

The wind Gods are telling us that portion of Mexico is ours.

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 07:54 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 30 January 2020 - 09:09 AM, said:

The wind Gods are telling us that portion of Mexico is ours.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:16 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 30 January 2020 - 09:09 AM, said:

The wind Gods are telling us that portion of Mexico is ours.

Irony alert: because the broken wall landed in Mexico, the Border Patrol is negotiating with Mexico about the repairs. Mexico is still not paying anything.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 09:19 PM

I trust that Mexico is charging for access to the litter and charging for the mess.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 11:23 PM

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http://nymag.com/int...for-months.html

The president’s claim that the wall on the Mexican border is “virtually impenetrable” has taken a lot of damage this week. Yesterday, CNN reported that a section of the barrier in California — which Trump claimed “is not something that can be really knocked down” — was knocked down by a gust of wind as its foundation settled.
Though the blustery embarrassment was localized and easily fixable, on Thursday, the Washington Post revealed a more structurally important concern:[indent]
President Trump’s border wall likely will require the installation of hundreds of storm gates to prevent flash floods from undermining or knocking it over, gates that must be left open for months every summer during “monsoon season” in the desert, according to U.S. border officials, agents and engineers familiar with the plans.

At locations along the U.S. southern border where such gates already are in operation, Border Patrol agents must manually raise them every year before the arrival of the summer thunderstorms that convert riverbeds into raging torrents that carry massive amounts of water and debris, including sediment, rocks, tree limbs and vegetation. Trump’s wall, which features 30-foot metal bollards spaced four inches apart, effectively acts as a sewer grate that traps the debris; when clogged, the barriers cannot withstand the power of the runoff.[/indent]
Already, these unmanned gates have been destinations for coyotes, smugglers, and undocumented migrants: Due to their remote location, Border Patrol agents have to keep the gates open for months, allowing the portal’s location to spread among those travelling north. “They know as soon as the Border Patrol opens them,” John Ladd, an Arizona rancher whose property abutts the border, told the Post, referring to Mexican traffickers. Once at the compromised boundary, migrants can use the stream channels on the U.S. side to travel further into the states, while avoiding detection.
Overlooking the hydrology of the desert Southwest is one of several examples of how the Trump administration’s neglect of the specific demands of the region has undermined the project. The White House has failed to account for just how long it takes to acquire private property along the border — a key reason for the massive delay in wall-building thus far. (Despite $18.4 billion allocated to the project, just 100 miles of barrier have been built, the majority of which serves as a replacement of existing structures.) Federal and state parks may also have to be divvied up — including major sections of the wall carving up the biological hotspot of the Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge, which has been 40 years in the making.
As the White House rushes the long-delayed project to have something to show to the base before the November election, other natural barriers are going to get in the way of the wall. As the Post notes, as the Trump administration pushes for construction beyond established areas, it will be forced to build on mountainous and ever-more-remote terrain, requiring larger and more frequent storm gates to accommodate waterflow.

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