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Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:07 PM

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! The MAGAts never fail to fail.

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“We Build The Wall” —unless we don’t bother filling out the paperwork.

The GoFundMe border wall campaign, which recently boasted “just under 1 mile” of completed wall construction in Sunland Park, New Mexico, was slapped with a cease and desist order on Tuesday because they didn’t have a building permit.

According to a report by local NBC affiliate KTSM 9 News, Sunland Park officials found that the privately-funded “We Build The Wall” campaign failed to complete the application for a permit and that the wall structure was over the maximum height limit.

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Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:09 PM

Sovereign people citizens don't need to ask permission from bureaucrats, most of whom are deep state actors.

Sorry betrayed my non-sovereign lingo.

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 12:27 PM

Here's the MAGAt company that Trump wants to build the wall. Grifters gonna' grift.

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A company that’s been touted by President Donald Trump to construct his long-promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is loaded with “red flags,” according to a new report from CNN.

According to the report, North Dakota-based company Fisher Sand & Gravel has been hit with more than $1 million in fines related to environmental and tax regulations, and has even admitted to defrauding the IRS. What’s more, CNN says that “a former co-owner of the company pleaded guilty to tax fraud, and was sentenced to prison” roughly a decade ago.

When asked by CNN about its controversial history, the company replied that “the questions you are asking have nothing to do with the excellent product and work that Fisher is proposing with regard to protecting America’s southern border” and added that “the issues and situations in your email were resolved years ago.”

Despite these red flags, Trump has reportedly been “aggressively” pushing for the Army Corps of Engineers to give Fisher a contract to build the wall.

“A U.S. government official familiar with the meeting tells CNN that the President has repeatedly mentioned the company in discussions he’s had about the wall,” the network reports.

One way that CEO Tommy Fisher has gotten the president’s attention has been making frequent appearances on Fox News, CNN notes.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 04:17 PM

The GoFundMe wannabe' wall builders are now skipping hand in hand with the United Constitutional Patriots Guardian Patriots, the untrained citizen whackjobs holding and threatening immigrants at the border at gunpoint. Douchenozzles of a feather, I guess.

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The GoFundMe-powered “We Build The Wall” group, which has raised millions to build segments of border wall on private land, has long sought to distance itself from the armed militia movement. That changed Thursday night, shortly after the group held an event celebrating its first half-mile of erected wall, in Sunland Park, New Mexico.

In a live-streamed interview he gave to a popular militia figure known for streaming videos of mass arrests on his Facebook page, We Build The Wall’s co-founder and vice president Dustin Stockton spoke as if to an old friend, telling the interviewer “you’ve always had the right mindset” and saying “we appreciate you.”

The interviewer was Jim Benvie, spokesperson for the so-called “Guardian Patriots” (which he renamed from the “United Constitutional Patriots), who is a prolific presence among Facebook’s far-right border watchers. Benvie streamed his interview with Stockton on his Facebook page Thursday night.

“You guys have shown, Jim, you and your crew have shown how high-traffic this area was,” Stockton said toward the start of the exchange, pointing to the strip of previously un-walled border just outside of El Paso, near the “Monument One” landmark.

“Your videos turned us on to just how serious this crisis is,” he added. “And when we saw those, the proof is there. We had the absolute proof of what was happening right here. And to be able to shut that off with the people’s money so quickly, it’s moving.”

Benvie’s videos brought UCP infamy after the ACLU of New Mexico objected to the militiamen making armed, mass “arrests” of asylum seekers crossing in the area, with some UCP members falsely identifying themselves as law federal agents. UCP’s former leader, Larry Mitchell Hopkins, was subsequently arrested on a gun charge.

Until they were evicted by the Union Pacific Railroad in April, UCP’s campground was mere feet away from We Build The Wall’s (WBTW) current site. They’ve since relocated nearby, though it’s not clear precisely where. The Intercept reported Thursday on the ties between UCP and the partial landowner of the property where WBTW’s new barrier was recently built, Jeff Allen. Allen’s dog, Athena, often appears in Benvie’s videos.

After Benvie mentioned to Stockton Thursday that “we were told not to film,” the WBTW co-founder confirmed that the group had asked Benvie to keep the wall construction under wraps over the weekend.

“When we asked you [that] it’s better for us if you don’t livestream for a little while…” Stockton said. “If you go underground, it helps us with the media narrative, it helps us not blow the cover of what we’re trying to do here.”

“You gave up a lot of views. You could have reached a lot of people, but you’ve always had the right mindset,” he continued, adding: “You did the right thing, man, I really appreciate you.”

The connection between UCP and WBTW has, for months, been only obliquely acknowledged.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 04:14 PM

View PostLFC, on 22 May 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

The boys that never grew up known as the United Constitutional Patriots, who rebranded as the Guardian Patriots, have a spokesperson who fraudulently raised charitable donations for children with cancer and stole a truck. If you want to look for lawless people it seems like the best place to start is one of the vigilante groups.

It just keeps getting more and more insane. They follow a grifter like this and then wonder why a huge percentage of the country looks down on them as stupid and ignorant. Maybe they'd understand why if they weren't so stupid and ignorant. Now he's about to face several new charges.

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Border vigilante Jim Benvie had a terrible Friday.

After months of viral fame, the man responsible for live-streaming dozens of his and his masked militia friends’ “arrests” of migrants and asylum seekers at the border was charged with impersonating a federal agent, according to newly unsealed court filings.

The Daily Beast also revealed Friday that Benvie had been charged with fraud in Oklahoma, for allegedly padding his own pockets with money he ostensibly raised for a cancer-striken child.

First, the alleged cancer scam: On June 4, as the Beast first reported last week, state prosecutors in Oklahoma added a fraud charge to a previous charge against Benvie for being in possession of a stolen rental truck.

The new charge came a few days after the Beast reported on the police report for the July 2018 stolen vehicle incident, in which an officer observed that Benvie was in possession of seemingly fraudulent fundraising materials. The arresting officer noted that Benvie couldn’t name the child for whom he claimed to be raising money. When the boy’s parent saw the Beast report, he contacted law enforcement.

“I’ve chased him from Georgia to Tennessee and now Texas, Oklahoma, running this scam,” Eric Cremeens, father of cancer survivor Ryan, told the publication.

Then, in an indictment filed under seal Wednesday and unsealed Friday, Benvie was accused of two counts of impersonating a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

The indictment listed the dates of the two alleged violations, both felonies, as April 15 and April 17. Videos on Benvie’s Facebook page from those dates clearly show him yelling “stop” and “sit” in Spanish at people nearby the border, and identifying as “U.S. Border Patrol.”

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 06:33 PM

View PostLFC, on 24 June 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

It just keeps getting more and more insane. They follow a grifter like this and then wonder why a huge percentage of the country looks down on them as stupid and ignorant. Maybe they'd understand why if they weren't so stupid and ignorant. Now he's about to face several new charges.
Sounds like he's due for a federal pardon and Presidential Medal of Freedom. He just needs to get booked on Hannity.
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 11:05 AM

View Postpnwguy, on 24 June 2019 - 06:33 PM, said:

Sounds like he's due for a federal pardon and Presidential Medal of Freedom. He just needs to get booked on Hannity.
Speaking of grifters, maybe Joe Arpaio could have a new career as a Pardon Consultant. He could sign up with with these guys:

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:27 PM

Trump admin's 'tent cities' cost more than keeping migrant kids with parents
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Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:36 PM

Kids Magazine Condemns Trump Migrant Children Policies

https://twitter.com/...572539358240774
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 09:41 PM

Bikers bring 30,000 meals to feed migrants at facility in New Mexico

A sign of the times when biker gangs are more moral and upstanding than the administration's Justice department.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 09:06 AM

View PostAnBr, on 30 June 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

Bikers bring 30,000 meals to feed migrants at facility in New Mexico

A sign of the times when biker gangs are more moral and upstanding than the administration's Justice department.

But will the camp guards allow the prisoners to eat? We've already seen this with diapers, soap, and other necessities: the guards insist that they're not allowed by law to accept supplies not appropriated by Congress (which sounds like a hostage threat, honestly.)
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 11:53 AM

A Congressional delegation visited a detention center and conditions are deplorable. I saw on the news this AM that there were women who had gone 15 days without a shower. They were in crowded cages with nothing but a sleeping bag to sit on and wrap around them. No beds, no chairs. When one asked for drinking water she was told to drink out of the toilet. One member of the delegation claims that the guards were surly, insulting, and a bit threatening to both them and the women held prisoner. As they put it, if this is their behavior when they know they're being scrutinized by members of Congress then how do they at other times? It may be that in Trump's America they simply don't care about Congress. They know that their actions are protected by Hair Fuhrer.
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 01:01 PM

We have sunk so low. There are protests across the country today, coordinated by MoveOn.org. They are targeting the home offices of Congresspeople and Senators, plus federal facilities like federal courthouses. Will it do any good? What will?

And is Fox blocking out all coverage of these torture facilities?

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Posted 02 July 2019 - 02:07 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 02 July 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

And is Fox blocking out all coverage of these torture facilities?

They're waiting for filth and disease to make the inmates presentable.
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Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:08 PM

TPM has photos of the conditions.

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The dangerous overcrowding and prolonged detention of children and adults at several government-run detention facilities at the border requires “immediate attention and action,” investigators inside the Department of Homeland Security said in a report Tuesday.

In the latest government report to shed light on detention facilities at the border, DHS Office of Inspector General investigators included pictures of severely overcrowded facilities in the Rio Grande sector of the border.

The so-called “management alert” follows another such alert in May, which addressed adult facilities in El Paso Del Norte Processing Center.

Per the report, detained migrants and asylum seekers were held for prolonged periods at all five of the Customs and Border Protection facilities the investigators visited.

“Border Patrol was holding about 8,000 detainees in custody at the time of our visit,” the report read, “with 3,400 held longer than the 72 hours generally permitted under the TEDS [Transport, Escort, Detention and Search] standards.”

“Of those 3,400 detainees, Border Patrol held 1,500 for more than 10 days.”

The facilities are known for their freezing temperatures, concrete floors, frequently poor sanitary conditions and caged enclosures. A federal judge on Friday ordered the government into mediation over allegations from attorneys representing children in detention that the Trump administration wasn’t meeting its responsibilities to make facilities in El Paso and Rio Grande sectors “safe and sanitary.”

The conditions in one such facility flagged by lawyers in a series of media interviews, in Clint, Texas, made national headlines and spurred public outcry. Several members of Congress recently toured CBP facilities on the border. Another government standard established by the so-called Flores Agreement, that children shall not be held in custody longer than 20 days, “is not being met,” Rep. Katherine Clark (D-MA) said outside an El Paso facility Tuesday.


A border agent confirms the conditions and the attitudes of some of Trump's border brownshirts.

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An El Paso Border Patrol official on Monday confirmed the terrible conditions at the migrant detention centers, including a culture of border agents’ derogatory treatment of the detainees.

Under the condition of keeping his identity concealed, a U.S. Customs and Border Patrol official told CNN reporter Nick Valencia that his boss would make fun of dead migrants.

“‘What difference does it make? It’s just another life,'” the border official quoted his supervisor as saying.

“He made a comment also regarding running over illegals,” the official added. “And I’m like, ‘You cannot run over people.'”

The CBP official also confirmed that the holding facilities are “filthy.”

“We have a maintenance and cleaning crew that clean the general area by the hallways,” the agent said. “But I have never seen them cleaning counters or cleaning toilets in the cells or cleaning sinks in the cells. Sometimes you go in a cell and there’s trash everywhere.”

“What do you say to [CBP] leaders who are saying migrants are getting basic human rights?” asked Valencia.

“What is basic human rights?” the official responded. “Toilet paper? Water from the sink? Or wearing the same clothing for days?”


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CBP leadership has given conflicting accounts for the squalid conditions, which alternate between supposedly not having enough funding to deal with the overcrowding to denying that there are such issues to begin with.

Border agents working at the child migrant centers have also been rejecting donations of soap, diapers, and other basic necessities.

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 07:40 PM

The U.N. Commisioner on Human Rights has expressed shock at the conditions on the border. Do you suppose that has something to do with Pompeo's commission to define what rights are, um. . . what did the Declaration of Independence call them? Certainly didn't involve soap, toothbrushes, room to sleep and luxuries like that. Oh, yeah, "unailenable".

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:17 PM

 JackD, on 08 July 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

The U.N. Commisioner on Human Rights has expressed shock at the conditions on the border. Do you suppose that has something to do with Pompeo's commission to define what rights are, um. . . what did the Declaration of Independence call them? Certainly didn't involve soap, toothbrushes, room to sleep and luxuries like that. Oh, yeah, "unailenable".

Clearly you don't know the definition of "unalienable." It mights aliens don't get them. Sheesh! Study some constitutional history, would ya'?
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 12:16 PM

At the first Democratic presidential debate nearly all raised their hands to indicate they would not deport undocumented people. Unfortunately there was no follow up questioning to determine if there was any nuance to those answers. As it stands, they are all for open borders in the sense that if you can get here, you can stay. Does the party really want to advocate for that?

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 10:15 PM

Dailykos today had a piece criticizing Trump's proposal for "merit based" immigration in which emphasis would be on the applicant's ability to support him/herself and family, bring jobs to the country through entrepreneurship, or have impressive wealth, etc. Dailykos' contributor wanted to stress "diversity" but offered no specific proposal. To my knowledge, neither the Democrats in general, nor their progressive representatives have offered something specific aside from asylum seekers and DACA persons. There was a bipartisan Senate bill that was never considered by the Boehner House. I confess to not knowing what was in it.

Anyone here have anything specific to offer or know of a proposal they favor? I think it's politically unlikely that open borders is feasible politically.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:31 PM

View PostJackD, on 18 July 2019 - 10:15 PM, said:

Trump's proposal for "merit based" immigration

Net worth divided by melanin concentration?
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