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#41 LFC

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 03:13 PM

The anti-Pelosi gang who attempted a rudderless, brainless, substantive goal free uprising may not like what 2020 has to bring.

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As Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is poised to once again take the gavel as Speaker of the House, there are already indications that the short-lived rebellion against her return could precipitate political consequences in 2020.

Progressive organizations are already eying possible Democratic incumbents for primaries both in safer blue districts and based on their participation in an effort to keep Pelosi from becoming speaker again.

The central target of that effort is Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA), who led a charge for new leadership in the House.

There are a number of people already considering challenging him in a 2020 primary and he faced some backlash from constituents at a November town hall.

And now exclusive polling provided to The Daily Beast from the outfit Slingshot Strategies, in partnership with the progressive firm Data for Progress, indicates that Moulton could be vulnerable in a primary challenge.

The survey of 300 likely Democratic primary voters in Massachusetts’ 6th congressional district, conducted online from Dec. 17 to 27, found that Moulton had a 61% favorable rating. But when pitted against other prospective Democratic challengers, only 49% said that they would back him. Of those surveyed, 29% said they were not sure.

“Seth Moulton is in real political trouble over his hesitancy to vote for Pelosi,” Evan Ross Smith, co-founder of Slingshot Strategies said. “Only 49% of Democrats say they’ll vote for Moulton again in the 2020 primary, and a majority want to see unity behind Pelosi. Moulton will be forced to defend his political decision making, and is clearly vulnerable to potential primary challengers who are already registering double-digit support.”


I have no problem with speaking truth to power but this was a silly, downright childish attempt at change just to say you were involved in change. Those involved proved themselves unfit to take over the positions of the leader(s) they wanted to oust. It also teaches others that there are consequences to acting the fool in the Democratic Party. Public temper tantrums are great for Republican political careers but they should never become part and parcel of the Democratic m.o. I'd say the next one who needs to be put in their place is Sanders. Of course he's not even in the party so I don't know why they allow him to push them around.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 11:48 AM

KA-BOOM!!! Nancy brings the hammer down on one vocal member of the rebellion.

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), comfortable after a fight to win back the position, is punishing one of her detractors by passing her over for a coveted spot on the House Judiciary Committee.

According to a Tuesday Politico report, Pelosi supported freshmen candidates over Rep. Kathleen Rice (D-NY) despite a united front from the New York delegation, seen as a signal that Pelosi has not forgotten how vocal Rice was in opposing her reelection.

Pelosi argued that New Yorkers were already well represented on the panel, but Rice’s supporters countered that Florida has just as many members in the committee.

Despite the New Yorkers’ anger, the Steering Committee put Pelosi’s list of selections to a secret up or down vote, and the speaker triumphed.


Again I had no issue with people wanting to oppose Pelosi if they had real issues and a real plan for what to do if they won but the pathetic "uprising" ended up looking like nothing more than a disorganized power grab. The players proved that they just aren't ready. On the upside they asked that leadership started moving new blood up the leadership ranks and they'll get that. It just so happens that at least Kathleen Rice isn't included but if her concern was truly all about new blood then that makes her victorious, right? RIGHT? HELLO? Is this thing on?
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:16 PM

Remember how so many said Pelosi was too damaged and needs to step aside? Yeeeaaaah, looks like Republicans have given up on attacking her because it's just not paying off as she has dominated Trump. Now they have a new target.

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Conservative columnist for the Washington Post Jennifer Rubin told MSNBC on Tuesday that there was a good reason the Republican Party was attacking young, women Democrats: their usual target, Nancy Pelosi, was beating them at their own game.

Host Craig Melvin, citing reporting by Politico, said that despite the risk of a backlash, the GOP was going after Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar to rally their base, and asked “is this a smart move to shift the focus to these new up-and-comers?”

“I don’t know if it’s going to be work, so I suppose it’s not smart,” replied Rubin. “I would assume that about 1% of America knows who these people are. You and I know who AOC is but most Americans still don’t.”

“What’s more, we’re entering already a presidential primary season and those people are soon going to be seen as the primary figures in the Democratic Party,” she added. “It is quite a testament to Nancy Pelosi that she’s no longer useful to the Republicans as a foil. Probably because she’s beating Trump at his own game.”

Fellow panelist and Washington Post columnist E. J. Dionne agreed.

“The idea that the Republicans would use three women is just not a great look for them, three younger women is not a great look for them,” he said, noting that the GOP has relied on “left wing boogiemen, now women” as a rallying cry for decades. “I think the risks they run with these particular members, young and female, are very, very high for them.”

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:01 PM

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:35 PM

View PostLFC, on 12 February 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

Remember how so many said Pelosi was too damaged and needs to step aside? Yeeeaaaah, looks like Republicans have given up on attacking her because it's just not paying off as she has dominated Trump. Now they have a new target.

These ladies won’t back down so easily. So the GOP may be prepping itself for some foot shooting
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:25 PM

View Postandydp, on 12 February 2019 - 07:35 PM, said:

These ladies won’t back down so easily. So the GOP may be prepping itself for some foot shooting

They can't seem to help themselves. Please see Beelzebuddy's post above yours.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:26 PM

View Postandydp, on 12 February 2019 - 07:35 PM, said:

These ladies won’t back down so easily. So the GOP may be prepping itself for some foot shooting

If Dems criticizing Israel are anti-semitic then Republicans criticizing these ladies are misogynistic. Fair? Absolutely not but who the f*** cares?
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:57 PM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 12 February 2019 - 07:01 PM, said:

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As soon as the newbie AOC comes forth with resolutions- legislative is her job- then I'm in.

Until then? She's just another pretty girl whose social media stuff is on point.

Yep. I'm Mean Girl, here. I support all, until it all looks like self promotion. Which, unfortunately, looks like it to now.

C'Mon, AOC. Do your job. Legislate. Easiest way to stopping the pretty girl.and on to the serious woman.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 08:48 AM

Hear! Hear! There are a lot of females who are freshman Congresspeople. Yet we only hear about AOC and the Muslim woman who apologized for her comments. Is the media reading anyone else's Twitter posts?

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 10:24 AM

View PostPractical Girl, on 12 February 2019 - 08:57 PM, said:

As soon as the newbie AOC comes forth with resolutions- legislative is her job- then I'm in.

Until then? She's just another pretty girl whose social media stuff is on point.

Yep. I'm Mean Girl, here. I support all, until it all looks like self promotion. Which, unfortunately, looks like it to now.

C'Mon, AOC. Do your job. Legislate. Easiest way to stopping the pretty girl.and on to the serious woman.

No.

Even the small group of people we have here at TRS complain about Dems not fighting back enough, not just legislatively, but publicly and through the media that the very hint that ANY Dem, freshmen class or not, shouldn't flies directly in the face of the desire to see them fighting back.

Saying she hasn't legislated enough in the few short weeks since being sworn in and that she should, basically, sit-down-and-shut-up reeks of manipulation by forces hell-bent on undermining popular policy that benefits the people of the country.

"Oh sure, she's a media darling but what has she really done?" Aside from expose people to those ideas, presenting them in the simplified manner so people less informed that we TRSers understand them, get people excited about those ideas and get those ideas into, and keep them in, the headlines? Yeah. That's part of the fighting back we've wanted for some time.
Well, fuck.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 11:31 AM

View PostHockeyDon, on 13 February 2019 - 10:24 AM, said:

No.

Even the small group of people we have here at TRS complain about Dems not fighting back enough, not just legislatively, but publicly and through the media that the very hint that ANY Dem, freshmen class or not, shouldn't flies directly in the face of the desire to see them fighting back.

Saying she hasn't legislated enough in the few short weeks since being sworn in and that she should, basically, sit-down-and-shut-up reeks of manipulation by forces hell-bent on undermining popular policy that benefits the people of the country.

"Oh sure, she's a media darling but what has she really done?" Aside from expose people to those ideas, presenting them in the simplified manner so people less informed that we TRSers understand them, get people excited about those ideas and get those ideas into, and keep them in, the headlines? Yeah. That's part of the fighting back we've wanted for some time.
This and also I am waiting to see the proof in the pudding.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 11:34 AM

I'm not asking her to sit down and shut up. But at some point- and it comes quickly- raging against the machine (that she is now a part of) isn't enough. She needs to prove that she can work within the machine that she willingly became a part of, to do more of her job other than educate constituencies. Fight back? Of course. But without knowing what and how to execute that power, she becomes as useless as Bernie has proven to be.

As I've already said, I'm pulling for her. But remain skeptical. She's really not talking to TRSers, but to the whole country, And that can be very, very difficult. Takes more than good words and social media to capture the heart of Americans, as diverse as we stubbornly are. A fight alone is admirable, but isn't nearly enough. Spread that fight, to include support from her colleagues? One can only be hopeful.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 01:00 PM

PG, I know you didn't say "sit down and shut up". And perhaps my frustration at the pushback from corporate media had colored my response. I just feel and see too much effort at undermining what amounts to a new employee not even getting to their 90 day review. I'm more than willing to give her the next year and 9 months to determine if she's been willing to take a percentage less than 100% of what she's after. If she turns down enacting a large portion of her agenda in favor of purity/puritopism, at that time I'll join the criticisms.

I mean, I'm already on board criticizing Bernie because he was so reluctant in supporting Clinton and for how his most fervent followers weren't willing to accept 90-some percent of their agenda because that's where Clinton resided. But that's because it's history and something we all witnessed. I'm not willing to do the same so quickly on any of the freshmen congresspeople after so short a time.
Well, fuck.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 02:33 PM

HockeyDon- very reasoned approach. I'll do my best to let her move into her job. Bust some heads, but also- get some friends/colleagues. She needs them. We need them, too.
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:37 AM

I do think she has shown herself to be one of the Puritopians, but I still have hope for her. She does seem to be quite a bit smarter than Sanders and may yet see the best way to her goals is by cooperation with potential allies rather than antagonism and alienation. I do agree that we need forces to help push the Overton Window back to center if not even further left. I will remain optimistic and give her time.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:42 AM

Pelosi continues to show why she's Madame Speaker. The MSM is always giddy about covering "dissent" among the Democrats. Pelosi seems to have no issue with letting some of the kids go off the rails a bit with their rhetoric but when push comes to shove she's the Dems' best hope of keeping that unified front.

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) dismissed the notion that there are schisms within her caucus Sunday, minimizing the far-left contingent.

“By and large, whatever orientation they came to Congress with, they know that we have to hold the center,” Pelosi told CBS’ Lesley Stahl. “That we have to…go down the mainstream.”

When Stahl pushed her, asking about Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and the other prominent freshmen members, Pelosi was reductive. “That’s like five people,” she shrugged.

Good. Don't let the right-wing / MSM narrative that AOC is driving the entire party come true.
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