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#21 LFC

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 03:39 PM

Obama comes out in support of Pelosi, big time.

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President Barack Obama gave a glowing recommendation to Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) amidst her fight for the speakership gavel, calling her an “extraordinary partner.”

“I think Nancy Pelosi, when the history is written, will go down as one of the most effective legislative leaders that this country’s ever seen,” Obama said at a live taping of his former aide David Axelrod’s podcast, “The Axe Files.”

“Nancy is not always the best on a cable show or with a quick soundbite or what have you,” he continued. “But her skill, tenacity, toughness, vision, is remarkable. Her stamina, her ability to see around corners, her ability to stand her ground and do hard things and to suffer unpopularity to get the right thing done, I think, stands up against any person that I’ve observed or worked directly with in Washington during my lifetime.”

“…She was an extraordinary partner for me throughout my presidency,” he concluded.


And one of the 16 signatories of the letter opposing her just folded.

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One of 16 Democrats who signed a recent letter promising to oppose House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) speakership bid for the next Congress flipped to Pelosi’s side on Wednesday.

Rep. Brian Higgins’ (D-NY) support of Pelosi, in exchange for concessions from the leader on two of Higgins’ priorities, comes a day after Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH) abandoned a potential challenge to Pelosi’s speakership.

Higgins told The Buffalo News that he is now supporting Pelosi in exchange for an “agreement in principle” from the leader that Democrats under her leadership will advance a “major infrastructure bill early in the next Congress,” in the paper’s words, and a commitment to let Higgins lead the charge on a proposal to let Americans buy into Medicare at age 50.

I guess reality and the emptiness of rudderless obstruction is sinking in.

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Besides, Higgins said, after both Fudge and Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA) lined up behind Pelosi, “The bottom line is, we don’t even have a semblance of a viable alternative at this point.”


Should I feel bad that one side effect of all this will be right-wing tears once the Dems start investigating Dear Leader? Or should I just sit back and let the schadenfreude wash over me as their screeches dial up well past 11 when they get to see Pelosi on their TV screens announcing investigations and findings?
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Posted 21 November 2018 - 03:56 PM

I think if Pelosi is serious about being a temporary leader, and if she can declare that she's only there for this congressional term but will step aside after 2020, that allows some oxygen in to bring up other potential leaders. It also helps defuse the GOP efforts of making her the boogie woman in the next election.
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Posted 21 November 2018 - 06:30 PM

There was the breathless questioning if Boehner had the votes for the Speaker's gavel.
There was the breathless questioning if Ryan had the votes for the Speaker's gavel.
Now there is the breathless questioning if Pelosi has the votes for the Speaker's gavel.

I can almost sense a pattern.
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 10:09 AM

This piece over at TPM describes how Pelosi has quietly moved forward. It also shows that her political skills are everything that her proponents have said they are.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has quietly taken the legs out from under the brewing insurrection in the House, looking more than likely now than ever to get the gavel.

According to a Thursday Washington Post report, Pelosi dealt with the rebellion in her usual way: dismissing breathless reports of her inevitable demise, and approaching the disgruntled members one by one to hear them out and strike a compromise.

“She’s doesn’t raise her voice; she doesn’t threaten anybody — that’s not her style,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told the Washington Post. “She wins by winning the moral argument, by winning the public-relations argument, by winning the argument with groups and activists. She’s going to be speaker.”

In rapid succession, Pelosi has deftly maneuvered challengers and opponents onto her side.


And another hapless anti-Pelosiite folds.

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Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) has eased up on his threat to oppose Nancy Pelosi for speaker, Politico reported.

During an interview with a local television station on Sunday, flagged by Politico, Lynch said that during the January vote for speaker he would “obviously” support Pelosi over a Republican. Pelosi’s allies have suggested that voting against Pelosi for speaker would be effectively supporting a Republican.

“If it becomes as a choice between a Republican and Nancy Pelosi, I’ll obviously support Nancy Pelosi,” Lynch reportedly said Sunday. “But I do think we risk losing the majority in the House — we risk having Trump elected for another four years — if the Democrats don’t offer a new direction in the Democratic Party.”

Lynch was one of 16 lawmakers and incoming members who signed a letter of intent to oppose Pelosi.

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 10:50 AM

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“But I do think we risk losing the majority in the House — we risk having Trump elected for another four years — if the Democrats don’t offer a new direction in the Democratic Party.”

This empty statement speaks to the crux of the matter: What IS that "new direction" that is both feasible and well received by the base? None of these anti-Pelosi folks have offered a credible alternative, especially when it flies in the face of the stunning take-back of the House this cycle.
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 11:02 AM

View PostLFC, on 21 November 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Should I feel bad that one side effect of all this will be right-wing tears once the Dems start investigating Dear Leader? Or should I just sit back and let the schadenfreude wash over me as their screeches dial up well past 11 when they get to see Pelosi on their TV screens announcing investigations and findings?

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[1] Believe it or not I really tried to come up with another metaphor .
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 02:20 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 26 November 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

Have you ever waded out into really warm seawater with mild swells coming ashore, and jut soaked up [1] the sensation of the waves not so much lifting you as lightening you as the rolled past?

[1] Believe it or not I really tried to come up with another metaphor .

Would this work ? I know Slim Pickens' response works for Pres Trump...


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Posted 26 November 2018 - 02:29 PM

Nancy knows how to play hardball too. The head of the Pelosi revolt just found that out the hard way. I imagine the remaining signatories are watching ... and learning.

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Seth Moulton, head of the 16-signer-letter anti-Pelosi group, now wants to sue for terms from Leader Pelosi. But she apparently won’t take his calls. So he’s forced to go to The Washington Post’s Robert Costa to sue for terms. Actually, it’s now a 14 signer letter since two of Moulton’s fellow 16 – Reps. Higgins and Lynch – already bailed out while Moulton was still on the plane.

As his campaign crumbles, Moulton now says he wants a sit-down with Pelosi for a negotiation that would apparently involve her booting her two deputies – Hoyer and Clyburn – to the curb in exchange for younger members of the caucus.

For what it’s worth, that wouldn’t be a bad thing, at least in the abstract. All three top members of the Democratic leadership are either 78 or 79 years old. It’s time to start grooming future members of the leadership. It’s not that I necessarily think Hoyer and Clyburn should go. But Pelosi is not going and her experience and ability make it unwise to let her go. You have to start somewhere.

At the same time, repositioning toward ousting Hoyer and Clyburn looks very much like a desperate attempt on Moulton and Co’s part to win something, even if Pelosi stays, as their gambit plummets to the earth. Pelosi does not need them. And with their numbers dwindling, they have very little power to negotiate, let alone dictate.


I suspect Pelosi has her plans for moving the young, bright, and ambitious up the ranks. I also suspect that Moulton is not part of that group right now (if he ever was).
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 10:35 PM

From what I gather the main reason that Pelosi is resuming the Speakership is to shepherd or groom new people to take over.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:44 AM

View PostAnBr, on 26 November 2018 - 10:35 PM, said:

From what I gather the main reason that Pelosi is resuming the Speakership is to shepherd or groom new people to take over.

ObSkeptic: Or that's the official line, anyway.

In 2020, Pelosi will be 80. Being Speaker is an unforgiving workload, and there's a point where it comes time to let someone else take over while you're still available to advise them.
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Posted 27 November 2018 - 08:50 AM

Nothing says that both can't be true. If you know that you need to let it go, you probably will want to arrange who fills your void and show them some of the ropes.
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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


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Posted 28 November 2018 - 10:20 PM

https://thehill.com/...losi-as-speaker
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"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:44 PM

Another one folds.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has flipped another one of the 20-odd Democrats who’d pledged to vote against her on the floor.

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA), who was one of the 16 Democrats on a letter guaranteeing they’d vote against Pelosi as House speaker, now says he’s changed course.

“Leader Pelosi has assured me that the priorities of average working families will be the priorities of the upcoming Congress,” Lynch said in a statement to the Washington Post.

Lynch had previously signaled he might flip.

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 09:25 PM

For those that don't realize just how effective she is and why the Repugs hater her so much: https://www.democrat...ader.gov/110th/
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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 09:46 PM

But to be fair, the Republicans had a bunch of photo ops with people in funny looking hats!
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Posted 09 December 2018 - 12:01 AM

View PostAnBr, on 08 December 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

For those that don't realize just how effective she is and why the Repugs hater her so much: https://www.democrat...ader.gov/110th/

Evil, f***ing socialist!
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Posted 09 December 2018 - 02:09 AM

View PostLFC, on 09 December 2018 - 12:01 AM, said:

Evil, f***ing socialist!

You are wrong! She is an Establishment Democrat™
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"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 06:34 AM

View PostAnBr, on 08 December 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

For those that don't realize just how effective she is and why the Repugs hater her so much: https://www.democrat...ader.gov/110th/

Don't forget to go on to the 111th.
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Posted 09 December 2018 - 12:24 PM

View PostLFC, on 09 December 2018 - 12:01 AM, said:

Evil, f***ing socialist!

View PostAnBr, on 09 December 2018 - 02:09 AM, said:

You are wrong! She is an Establishment Democrat™

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 03:20 PM

She's affirming her limited time as Speaker.

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“House Democrats won a decisive victory in November, winning a historic majority of at least 40 seats by nearly 10 million votes.

“Over the summer, I made it clear that I see myself as a bridge to the next generation of leaders, a recognition of my continuing responsibility to mentor and advance new Members into positions of power and responsibility in the House Democratic Caucus.

“For some time, there have been a number of conversations to advance a proposal to institute term limits for senior leadership positions in our Caucus. This proposal, which was developed by Members who care about the institution of the House of Representatives, would provide that Members in senior leadership positions can serve 3 terms with an additional term with two-thirds support of the Caucus. It would include the two terms of the Democratic Majority from 2007 to 2011.

“It is my understanding that Caucus Chair Hakeem Jeffries and incoming Rules Committee Chair Jim McGovern plan to bring up this proposal for a discussion and a vote by February 15th. I am comfortable with the proposal and it is my intention to abide by it whether it passes or not.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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