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Posted 22 August 2019 - 02:06 PM

Some takeaways from Real Clear Politics's poll averages:
  • Biden still leads the next level candidates by about 13%.
  • Sanders and Warren are neck and neck at around 16%.
  • Harris got her debate bump and has been sliding ever since. She stands at 7.4%
  • Buttigieg sits at 5.0%.
  • O'Rourke sits at 3.0%.
  • Booker sits at 2.0%
  • Nobody else breaks 2.0% though Yang is closest at 1.8%.
Per what somebody noted in one of the previous articles posted (maybe by me) it looks like there will be a big shuffle once either Sanders or Warren get flushed out but by then we'll likely be well into the primaries. Personally I think the tack that Harris (and Booker) took to get noticed will make them less desirable as V-P candidates. Buttigieg may have the best shot thought I suspect that if Biden wins the nomination we can expect the V-P candidate to be a woman. I'm not so sure about that with Bernie and with Warren it would matter less.

And to think, we have over 14 more months of this!
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Posted 22 August 2019 - 02:30 PM

View PostLFC, on 22 August 2019 - 02:06 PM, said:

  • Biden still leads the next level candidates by about 13%.
  • Sanders and Warren are neck and neck at around 16%.

Aside from the Saint Sanders devotees, I'm guessing that for a great many of us it's "either will do" and as soon as one or the other starts seriously pulling ahead there's going to be some positive feedback leading to putting Biden in the bushes and losing some of his inevitability advantage. Whoever of Warren/Sanders starts pulling ahead is also likely to suck some oxygen from the Harris/Buttigieg/O'Rourke "anybody but Joe" field too.

Which, for the record, sucks. It sucks because I'm pretty sure Sanders is going to be a disaster and Warren is going to be wasted on the White House. That said, there are worse things to be.
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Posted 22 August 2019 - 02:59 PM

Sanders takes a swing with a huge climate change proposal. Whenever I see something like this I always wonder about the incremental steps. I'm not sure I see any here. As always I'm skeptical about how it's paid for. There seems to be a lot from a whole new gov't control over power, taxes from new jobs, and savings. All of these ring alarm bells in my head.

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Several 2020 Democrats have called for investment in the trillions of dollars, but in the fine print, these plans include public and private funding. Sanders’ plan is notably different because it calls more more money than any of the other candidates — $16.3 trillion in total — and the entire investment budget would come from federal dollars. Still the broad brush things he wants to accomplish seem sound.

The plan generates money from various sources, including $6.4 trillion in revenue from selling energy via power marketing authorities, $2.3 trillion from income taxes from the new jobs created under the plan, and $1.2 trillion from reducing military expenses related to protecting oil shipping routes.

That money would then be spent across many different clean energy and climate adaptation programs:
  • $40 billion for a climate justice resiliency fund for under-resourced groups like Native Americans, people with disabilities, and the elderly to prepare for climate change
  • $200 billion for the United Nations Green Climate Fund to help other countries reduce their emissions
  • $1.52 trillion to deploy renewable energy and $852 billion for energy storage
  • $526 billion for an underground high-voltage direct current power transmission network

The proposal aims to pay for itself over 15 years. And according to Sanders, the price tag is a bargain compared to the business-as-usual climate trajectory. “Economists estimate that if we do not take action, we will lose $34.5 trillion in economic activity by the end of the century,” according to the plan.

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Posted 22 August 2019 - 03:24 PM

Sanders' proposals always seem to be "what I would wish for if I had veto-proof majorities of BernieBros in both houses of Congress and a 6-3 BernieBro majority on the Supreme Court" type. Swing for the fences, triples are for losers.
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Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:32 PM

Yeah, Bernie says it's going to take a "complete" revolution from the ground up. He wasn't real clear about guillotines or executions of the royal family.

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Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:53 PM

View PostJackD, on 22 August 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

Yeah, Bernie says it's going to take a "complete" revolution from the ground up. He wasn't real clear about guillotines or executions of the royal family.

I think he means that we get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. and when they're gone we'll replace them with something truly Great and Socialistic. He has a snappy slogan for this, too: "Repeal and Replace." It even has bipartisan appeal, at least the first phase.
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Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:48 PM

View PostLFC, on 22 August 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

Democratic hopeful Jake Inslee has dropped out and will run for a 3rd term as governor of Washington.

John Hickenlooper, who dropped out already, is definitely challenging Cory Gardner (R-CO) for the Senate seat.

We need to see more of this. Shoe-ins for the Senate are really needed to flip the Senate. Taking both houses AND the White House is the only way to stop the hemorrhaging. Healing the nation and the government will take far longer.
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 09:35 AM

More good polling.

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In July I argued that Donald Trump’s strategy of race baiting against the so-called “Squad” of four minority female members of Congress would not go well for him. I wrote that “I wouldn’t assume that we may not look back and see this as being the Ides Of August for Trump.”

Two weeks later I asked, “Could This Be the Moment Trump loses America?” I argued that a triad of events⁠—Trump’s attack on the Squad, tied to the rhetoric of “send them back” with the backdrop of his repeated referencing of “invasion,” which then rolled into the tragic massacre in El Paso, on the same weekend as Dayton also suffered a mass shooting⁠—brought the peril of a sharp and decisive public rebuke of Trump and his presidency. “If these voters, the vital center of the American electorate, come to believe that Donald Trump as president, his rhetoric and political style, have become a threat to public safety, that is a seminal development,” I wrote.


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Posted 23 August 2019 - 09:41 AM

Tulsi Gabbard was dead on the money. Kamala Harris is a snake.

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Anyone interested in justice was entitled to feel a Chris Matthews thrill up their leg when Tulsi Gabbard went after Kamala Harris for her record as state attorney general at the Detroit debate.

Gabbard pointed out that as California’s AG, Harris refused to allow DNA testing that would’ve exonerated a death-row inmate and prosecuted more than 1,000 marijuana cases—though as a candidate she later laughed with a radio host about her own pot-smoking past.

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Harris’s tenure.

There’s the case of Daniel Larsen. After 11 years of incarceration, a federal judge ruled that he was innocent. Harris kept him in prison for two more years while she appealed this decision on a technicality: She argued that Larsen hadn’t provided proof in a timely manner.

This was not her only bad conduct with regard to wrongfully convicted citizens.


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Posted 23 August 2019 - 10:59 AM

View PostTraveler, on 23 August 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

Tulsi Gabbard was dead on the money. Kamala Harris is a snake.

I supposed at least some of this was bound to come out but when she decided to (dishonestly) attack Biden she opened herself up to an early and thorough search of her own record. The more people dig the more they find. If this buries her early then she only has her own strategy to blame.
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 12:08 PM

Another one down.

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Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA), a 2020 presidential hopeful and veteran who focused his centrist campaign on military issues, will formally end his campaign on Friday.

In an interview with the New York Times, he said that the race is truly between former Vice President Joe Biden and Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT), and warned that “veering too far left” could cost Democrats the White House.

He cited Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, another moderate who also struggled to make the debate stage, as evidence that the primary was pulling candidates further and further left.

He was also open about his own missteps, as he did not enter the race until late April, just before Biden announced and completely overshadowed the rest of the field.

“Candidly, getting in the race late was a mistake,” Moulton told the Times. “It was a bigger handicap than I expected.”

Moulton declined to make any endorsements, though he spoke highly of Biden. He will run again for his House seat.

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 12:12 PM

Trump wants to stump for the Republican running in NC's special House election, the one that collapsed under GOP corruption so blatant that even they couldn't make enough excuses for it. All I can say is "go for it, Donny!" I want every single Republican candidate inextricably tied to Trump. It won't make a difference where they'd win anyway and he'll be much more of a negative in plenty of other places.
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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 12:57 PM

Some of the remaining low support Democratic candidates are getting desperate to reach the requirements needed for donors.

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Steve Bullock went straight-up troll with his latest fundraising pitch: purchasing the site “Is Greenland For Sale” dot com.

“Donald Trump thinks he can buy Greenland. It's just absurd! And we have WAY bigger problems to solve,” reads the website, which re-directs to the Montana governor’s ActBlue fundraising page. “Donate to help Steve Bullock kick Donald Trump out of office.”

Sen. Michael Bennett (D-CO), who scored just 1 percent in a new Emerson Poll in Colorado this week, announced he would send a copy of his self-published book to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for every person who chips in a buck to his presidential campaign.

“The propaganda Russia drove into our social media is graphic and unsettling.@SenateMajLdr McConnell needs to see these disturbing images,” Bennett tweeted. “Send him a copy at http://RussiaHackedOurDemocracy.com and demand he act now to protect our elections.”

Welcome to the desperation phase of the presidential primary, when the lower tier of Democratic candidates will do just about anything to score whatever metric they still need to get on the September debate stage and avoid truly toiling in obscurity.

Candidates like Bullock and Bennett, who have not reached the Democratic National Committee’s debate threshold of 130,000 unique donors and at least 2 percent in four eligible polls, got a double dose of campaign mortality this week as former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and Washington Gov. Jay Inslee dropped out within days of each other, opting instead for down-ballot bids after failed attempts at the White House.

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 01:47 PM

All those current governor and senate candidates make excellent choices for the Senate. I am liking this more and more.
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 02:05 PM

Here's the Republican challenger for a Minnesota Senate seat. He's apparently getting backing from Team Trump. This could easily have landed in the Republicans Party Has Flat Out Lost Its Mind thread.

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A former Republican U.S. Congressman who has a long record of anti-LGBTQ comments and positions is running to unseat a Democratic U.S. Senator. Jason Lewis, who has claimed same-sex parents may harm children announced he is running against Minnesota Democratic Senator Tina Smith.

Lewis, a conservative talk radio host for 25 years has lost two of his three congressional campaigns, but served for one term in the U.S. House of Representatives. In 2016 he won his House seat, only to be defeated in 2018 by Angie Craig, a lesbian and the Democrat who was his opponent in the 2016 race.

Politico calls Lewis Trump’s “Minnesota mini-me,” based on his love of President Donald Trump, and reports “two of Trump’s top political lieutenants” are guiding him.

But Lewis’ viability will be a test of just how much Minnesota voters will support a bigoted and extremist candidate who literally supports the right of people to own slaves.

“In fact, if you really want to be quite frank about it, how does somebody else owning a slave affect me? It doesn’t,” Lewis said in an update to his book on states’ rights, “If I don’t think it is right, I won’t own one, and people always say ‘well if you don’t want to marry somebody of the same sex, you don’t have to, but why tell somebody else they can’t.’ Uh, you know if you don’t want to own a slave, don’t. But don’t tell other people they can’t.”

That’s far from his only incendiary and offensive position.

On his radio show he has attacked women as, basically, stupid:

“You’ve got a vast majority of young single women who couldn’t explain to you what GDP means. You know what they care about? They care about abortion. They care about abortion and gay marriage. They care about ‘The View.’ They are non-thinking,” he said.

And he has lamented that “you can’t call” a woman “a slut”anymore.

Lewis’ bigoted and extremist positions do not end there.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 02:38 PM

View PostLFC, on 23 August 2019 - 02:05 PM, said:

And he has lamented that “you can’t call” a woman “a slut” anymore.
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 03:18 PM

Interesting analysis on the differences in approach used by Warren vs. Sanders as legislators. Both have their place but I am much more of a fan of Warren's style (and substance) over Sanders's.

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She has an approach that involves identifying ways to make progress and focusing relentlessly on achieving them.

I get a little annoyed by trendy, overused terms like “theory of change” that always seem to me more like after-the-fact justifications for how leaders manage to succeed than a premeditated idea. But you can build that thread with Elizabeth Warren, and take some lessons from her approach to politics, a combination of quiet bureaucratic skill, persistence, and the leverage of grassroots coalitions as outside muscle.

None of this is particularly innovative, but what sets Warren apart is that she uses the levers of power available to politicians with a platform in Washington. She recognizes that the position of U.S. senator allows for more than just what you vote on or what amendment you can write, and it can be worked to achieve progress in ways large and small.

Warren has been lumped in during the 2020 presidential primaries with Bernie Sanders, whose political approach during his Senate tenure (he was more of a bureaucratic infighter in the House, where the rules better enabled him to pass amendments) involves employing the bully pulpit instead of trying to make change from the inside. Focusing on approaches may seem like an attempt to blur ideological differences between candidates, but they say something real about how Warren and Sanders would govern.

Presidents can access a panoply of tools to make change through existing law, without adding any new statutes in Congress. And it’s the biggest megaphone in the world. What approach gets taken does affect the tangible results of the presidency, and how liberal populists can work through the formidable constitutional and political obstacles to progress. As president, Warren and Sanders might use both the megaphone and the bureaucratic scalpel. But what do we know already about their, well, theories of change?

Last week, BuzzFeed ran a classic Warren story, about how Warren helped ripped-off students from for-profit Corinthian Colleges obtain debt forgiveness during the Obama administration. From the outside, you wouldn’t necessarily know how deeply involved she was in that fight. It appeared that Corinthian students organized among themselves, going on strike for an obscure debt forgiveness clause called “defense to repayment,” available if colleges defrauded them, as Corinthian clearly did, lying about job placement statistics to put them on the hook for expensive loans.

But months earlier, Warren and her staff identified defense to repayment as a vehicle to relieve Corinthian students of their debts, and got the Education Department to acknowledge it as a tool. Beyond this, she worked on the inside to get the department to encourage blanket loan forgiveness, while slamming them in Senate floor speeches for dragging their feet. She used the nomination of John King as education secretary to extract promises on debt forgiveness for Corinthian students. She even intervened directly with President Obama, to force the Treasury Department to refrain from hitting students granted debt relief with a big tax bill by treating it as earned income. In the end, 30,000 students got their loans wiped out.

This is rooted in her and her staff’s keen understanding of the economy and the policy options available to make it work better for the public, instead of large corporate interests.

Having followed Warren’s career from the beginning, I found the episode broadly reminiscent of other fights she has taken on, where she worked to identify paths to progress and pursued them relentlessly. This is rooted in her and her staff’s keen understanding of the economy and the policy options available to make it work better for the public, instead of large corporate interests.

Take for example the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act, which passed both houses of Congress in 2010 with no fanfare. At the time, the foreclosure machinery nationwide had seized up because banks were peddling phony documents to paper over critical errors in the mortgage recording process. Activists were concerned that the bill could be used to force courts to accept fraudulent documents if they had an electronic notarization from out of state, flushing illegal foreclosures through the system.

At the time, Warren was standing up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau as an assistant to the president. She learned about the bill from then–Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, and appealed directly to President Obama to veto it, as activists had been insisting. It was one of only two bills Obama vetoed in his first six years in office.

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 09:54 AM

Steve King (R-Klanland Iowa) isn't getting much love. Apparently he's become too toxic even for the GOP. Now THAT's saying something. I bet they wouldn't see him as so toxic if he was running in a 100% safe district. But one former GOP rep. still loves him.

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Apparently Rep. Steve King’s (R-IA) become too toxic for his own party.

The Daily Beast reported on Sunday that King, notorious for his racist comments about immigrants and white supremacy, is struggling to raise funds for his reelection campaign.

King’s colleagues and corporate PACs have completely abandoned the Iowa Republican, according to the Daily Beast. To add insult to injury, some of King’s former donors are now directing to his primary challenger, Iowa state Sen. Randy Feenstra ®, instead.

However, King still has some support: Former Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), who torpedoed his own reelection campaign in 2012 after making bizarre comments about “legitimate rape,” donated $2,000 to King’s campaign in April after the Iowa congressman told the New York Times he didn’t understand why white supremacy was “offensive.”

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 09:55 AM

Trump gets a primary challenger. I don't see this going anywhere but hey, it's a little something from the white nationalist party.

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Former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) officially announced his 2020 campaign to challenge President Donald Trump on Sunday morning.

After Walsh floated a possible run for the presidency last week, ABC “This Day” host George Stephanopoulos asked the conservative hardliner on Sunday if he’d made a final decision.

Walsh, an outspoken Trump critic, confirmed that he had.

“I’m going to run for president, and I’m happy to be on your show announcing my candidacy,” Walsh told Stephanopoulos. “George, no surprise, we’ve got a guy in the White House who’s unfit, completely unfit, to be president.”

“And it stuns me that nobody’s stepped up, nobody in the Republican party’s stepped up,” he continued.

Walsh claimed that “everybody” in the GOP “believes [Trump’s] unfit” for office.

When Stephanopoulos pointed out Trump’s high approval rating among Republicans, Walsh said it was because “they don’t have an alternative.”

“Somebody needs to step up and there needs to be an alternative,” he said.

Walsh said that his most former GOP colleagues don’t want Trump to be reelected.

“They want him to lose in November,” Walsh said. “And then they think they’re done with him and everything can go back to normal.”

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 11:03 AM

View PostProbabilistic, on 27 June 2019 - 04:43 PM, said:

Check out the Bernie videos played on Trevor Noah's Daily Show. These are hilarious. Bernie's a crank, has been all his life. Just I had noted in the '16 cycle, he's all shout and spittle and no solutions. He's satisfied just mouthing off but never actually executing - never caring to build coalitions to move towards his goals. He doesn't accept over long periods of time profound change can be wrought incrementally. Making people's lives somewhat easier every few years and building on that is better than waiting 40 years for his exact solution.
But that is pretty much the opposite of what Bernie actually is.
Bernie's ambitions for policy are large and sweeping, and you can call him a crank for the way he talks about it, but his actual governing record can exactly be summed up as "incremental changes over long periods of time that have made people's lives better."
https://www.vox.com/...oliberals-chill
FFS the man voted for Dodd-Frank!!!1!

View PostAnBr, on 27 June 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:

From the last election, but a telling insight of trying to work with Slanders.

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My most memorable encounter with Sanders was during an editorial board session during a period when the Vermont Progressive Party was reconstituting itself to challenge for more seats on the Burlington City Council.

Sanders had been mayor of Burlington from 1981 until 1989, institutionalizing progressive government in the city and other Vermont enclaves. Although he has been in Washington since his election to the House of Representatives in 1991, he remained the titular head of the movement, yet refused to endorse a progressive slate seeking City Council seats or the new leadership orchestrating the campaigns.

After discussing his favorite issues — corporations, government reform, health care and the like, I asked about his unwillingness to endorse his fellow progressives. He said it wasn't his role. I suggested voters might expect him to weigh in. He disagreed, clearly annoyed at the persistent questioning. Finally I suggested that he had a larger moral responsibility to the progressive movement.

At which point he jumped out of his seat, told me to go f*** myself and stormed out of the edit board meeting. OK, maybe my persistence bordered on hectoring. But I felt he ought to provide an honest answer. My suspicion was that he resented others for assuming his mantle of progressive leadership and wouldn't acknowledge them.

The trouble with Bernie
The actual story here seems to be that he refuses to let some smarmy newspaper editor make political decisions for him about who to tie his campaign to. Doesn't it seem more likely that he refuses to endorse progressive local politicians in that race maybe because he doesn't see any benefit to himself and knows that any or all of those candidates might be whackjob-lefties that he would have to spend month distancing himself from (because of some controversy about water fluoridation or some crap like that) as opposed to "resent[ing] others for assuming his mantle of progressive leadership"?

It is a grim day around here when I find myself defending Bernie Sanders! ;)
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