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Posted 16 May 2019 - 04:09 PM

In case it's an important issue to you here are how the Dem candidates stack up on legalization of marijuana.
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:42 AM

DC, I dont think anybody on this board disagrees with you that bipartisanship is dead. But you gotta win the elections (House, Senate and POTUS) in order to return fire back at the POG.

Right now, it is win baby win. Period. That doesn't require bipartisanship so much as it requires getting the folks who are terrified of the Dem left taking their guns and cars. Tacking left is a losing proposition for Dems. They have done a very poor job at enumerating how much they represent most of America. They need some real PR. MSNBC don't cut it.
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 10:32 AM

Josh Marshall's latest take on the current status of presidential polling and what we can expect from Trump. It's scary because it's not just possible. It's scary because it's totally probable. In fact Republican voter suppression has already been going on for years. The GOP will do ANYTHING they think they can get away with and they have a lot of levers to pull this year. There is absolutely no interest on their side in free and fair elections. Everything they've done shows us that. It's no longer a hypothesis.

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Yesterday Fox News published a new presidential poll. The “Fox News” moniker aside, their poll is a solid, legitimate poll, even if it’s a bit on the favorable end toward the President. Trump’s approval rating was on the relative high side for him in this poll at 46%. (53% opposed.) Best numbers are on the economy; worst on health care; not surprising.

The head to head numbers with Democratic challengers are revealing. Against Joe Biden, Trump is 11 points down, 49%-38%. Against Bernie Sanders, 46%-41%, Harris it’s 41%-41%. Warren, 43%-41%. Buttigieg 40%-41%.

These numbers are undergirded by other details of the poll, which match most other polls. Underneath the 46% approve, 53% disapprove – only 28% strongly approve the President while 44% strongly disapprove. Again, very challenging numbers.

One clear thing to draw from this is that, for now, Biden is far and away the strongest candidate – only Sanders is even close to as strong. But the real takeaway is that against named candidates the incumbent President can’t get above 41% support. That is quite simply a massive warning sign for the incumbent, especially when the economy is red hot by conventional definitions.

On the one hand, that’s great for Democrats. But Trump and his top campaign advisors will see this as well. So for all the clamor about how things are apparently going great for him, they know that they will need a series of very dramatic things to happen over the next 18 months to win reelection – some kind of foreign adventure, having the Justice Department use its power to subvert the election, some alliance with a foreign power to destroy one of the President’s political opponents (what Giuliani was trying to do in Ukraine and likely continues to do), some effort to get the election into the Supreme Court. There are almost limitless possibilities. But something of that magnitude – in fact, probably several – are likely necessary to get the President up into the middle 40s support where the advantages of the electoral college can pull out a victory.

The point is, President Trump isn’t someone who’s just going to sit back and let himself lose a conventional election, a lawful election. There’s nothing remotely about the man that makes that plausible. He managed an electoral college victory in 2016 with 46.1% of the vote. These numbers suggest he needs to move at least 5% in his favor, a very tall order. 2016 required a perfect storm. Wikileaks, Russia, Comey’s devastating late campaign intervention, a mini-recession in the industrial midwest driven by a number of transnational economic factors and also tighter monetary policy, Democratic party divisions – all of these had to come together. Trump requires a second perfect storm. But as an incumbent with all the powers of the executive branch he has many more ways to engineer one.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 01:41 PM

So . . . ramp up the voter suppression, calculating that there will be a storm of lawsuits, finishing with the Supreme Court killing it — after Trump has won a second term?

Or maybe the Supreme Court will not kill it?
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 02:09 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 17 May 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

So . . . ramp up the voter suppression, calculating that there will be a storm of lawsuits, finishing with the Supreme Court killing it — after Trump has won a second term?

Or maybe the Supreme Court will not kill it?

By Trump's 3rd term (brought about by simple voice vote from Republicans in the Senate) the Supreme Court would have determined that its jurisdiction does not reach the Presidency or the federal cabinet. Since the President appoints judges therefore the judges are subjugate. No constitutional amendments needed. That is too much unnecessary work resulting in zero outcomes.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 02:36 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 17 May 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

By Trump's 3rd term (brought about by simple voice vote from Republicans in the Senate) the Supreme Court would have determined that its jurisdiction does not reach the Presidency or the federal cabinet. Since the President appoints judges therefore the judges are subjugate. No constitutional amendments needed. That is too much unnecessary work resulting in zero outcomes.

Not much hope of a happy ending then?
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 03:34 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 17 May 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Not much hope of a happy ending then?

Proscribed activity per the Pence Proclamation. If caught the punishment is a 7 day confinement in a re-education camp. The curricula mandates one has to view Mike Pence's pious but deeply disappointed face and hear him sigh in exasperation. It's intended to help one meditate on one's predicament.

No need to despair. It's not all bad. The law doesn't quite apply if you happen to patronize exclusive establishments run by influential friends of the POTUS. Waivers are granted to the deserving.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 04:36 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 17 May 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Not much hope of a happy ending then?

We don't know. He paid her off to never speak of it. (Did I misinterpret the question?)
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:18 AM

View PostJackD, on 16 May 2019 - 03:52 PM, said:

I realize, PG, that you are a Biden supporter but I think you'll have some difficulty justifying his campaigning in Michigan in the 2018 midterms for a Republican candidate for the House as well as his claim in 2011 that after the election the Republicans would become bipartisan and cooperate or his current claim, after experiencing McConnell's intransigence, that they will do so once Trump is removed. Plenty of his opponents have made concrete proposals.

JackD- you might be a bit mistaken. I'm the one who said I would vote for my dog over Donald Trump. I've always liked Joe- but there are a couple of reasons to hold back. It applies to the whole field. What won't feed the bulldog are coy candidates, as they beat up on other candidates for having a record. I listen to a lot...

In terms of concrete "proposals", feel free to tell me not just the concrete but reasonable ones. How to positively affect people's lives now. No pie in the sky, which tastes great when you're flying first class but gets a bit different when Earth meets landing.
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:31 AM

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So would I. And I have no idea what PG's dog stands for. Grain free kibble for all? Detention centers for cats? A mailman in every pot?
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:16 PM

Max 20/20- He has the vision, he has the chops, and is very culturally aware. True:

1. He believes you should be able to pee where and when you need. Be discreet. He also believes that, sometimes, he pees like a man. Sometimes, a woman. And he wants no judgment, as long as he hurts nobody.

2. Grain-free for all? Well, his comfort in life is due to ditching the grains. Limited protein food for that itchy boy, so he could concentrate on policy. Now- if he gets a wee bit lost in the neighborhood- hell, yes- give the man some chips. His staff will come get him. Eat what you want... Poached eggs on a Sunday is a "thing", and the bite comes from staff's fork. Mr. is a nut.

3. All creatures except for rats can peacefully co-exist. Eh, everybody has their terrorists...Cats, though- very afraid of him. Hmmm.

4. Leave USPS employees alone. Have you ever tried that? The only reason that the USPS is "downgraded" is that their pension plan has been over-blown (and raped), and how else will Max get his mailbox money? Since no opposable thumbs, Twitter is hard for him.

5. Free speech- a natural, for a vociferous candidate. But if you really listen, all he says is:

Max 20/20- I can see why any candidate other than Trump- even me- is the answer.
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:26 PM

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...Cats, though- very afraid of him. Hmmm.

Ahhh, probably another pussy-grabber. Don't worry - that wont stop people from voting for him.
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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:56 AM

Trump is clearly scared of Biden.

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President Donald Trump embarked on an extended tirade against former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday night during his campaign rally in Pennsylvania, trying to use as a battering ram the fact that Biden left the state (when he was 11).

According to Politico, he accused the then around-sixth grade Biden of abandoning the Keystone State and its job development.

“He’s not from Pennsylvania,” Trump said. “I guess he was born here, but he left you folks. He left you for another state. Remember that, please….He left you for another state, and he didn’t take care of you, because he didn’t take care of your jobs. He let other countries come in and rip off America. That doesn’t happen anymore.”

Trump and his team are acutely worried about Pennsylvania, along with Michigan and Wisconsin, all places where internal polling suggests that Biden is leading the President.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 03:14 PM

Oh no Beto. He better get his ass in gear if he wants to stay in this thing.

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In the days leading up to Beto O’Rourke’s presidential campaign, a top Republican opposition research firm was brimming with requests from political reporters angling for dirt.

America Rising, a political action committee that shared details of its internal inquiries with The Daily Beast, said the asks came from a dozen or more reporters and ranged from broad questions to more tailored points of interest.

But 10 weeks after O’Rourke’s official launch, those requests are virtually nonexistent.

“The requests for oppo on him have completely died off,” a staffer at the oppo group said.

The lack of oppo requests suggests a larger problem looming over O’Rourke’s campaign: a visible decline in public interest. Once elevated to the top of Democratic watch-lists, the former congressman is now registering in single digits in several national polls, nosediving from 12 percent in a Quinnipiac poll conducted in March to just 5 percent in the same survey in April.

And while he’s beginning to roll out new hires in key voting states, some say he’s already fallen behind other candidates whose field operations have been interfacing with voters for months.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 03:18 PM

Josh Marshall notes some of the numbers in the latest Quinnipiac poll.

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President Trump’s numbers are 38% approve, 57% disapprove. On May 2nd those numbers were 41%-55%. 54% of voters say they would “definitely not vote” for President Trump. 31% say they’d “definitely vote” for him.

There’s also this. Joe Biden is the only presidential candidate in either party with a clear net approval.


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Finally, here’s the breakdown on whether people are paying attention to the race this early. Fully 74% say they’re paying some or a lot of attention, which is astounding in historical terms but not terribly surprising given what is happening in the country.

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 08:29 AM

View PostLFC, on 21 May 2019 - 03:18 PM, said:

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President Trump’s numbers are 38% approve, 57% disapprove. On May 2nd those numbers were 41%-55%. 54% of voters say they would “definitely not vote” for President Trump. 31% say they’d “definitely vote” for him.

There’s also this. Joe Biden is the only presidential candidate in either party with a clear net approval.


And Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. The President (and the Senate even more so) are not chosen by popular vote, so maybe it's time more polls reflected that fact. Otherwise (and we're seeing it now) it'll mean less and less as our Lords and Masters get more dependent on other means to stay in power.
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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:55 PM

As Cory Booker fails to gain traction in the polls he's apparently starting to attack other Democratic candidates. Not cool, dude. Not cool. That's a Bernie Sanders kind of move and it won't win you new friends.

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When Cory Booker announced his presidential bid in February he pledged to wage a campaign around unifying the country, calling for “radical love” of all people.

But as he continues to slip in polls and fundraising momentum, Booker’s love for his competitors, radical or otherwise, has frequently slipped into passive-aggressive digs, even taking time to punch down at the least competitive contenders.

“It struck me as ironic because Booker is running as this kumbaya candidate,” one senior official on a rival campaign said, describing an indirect shot fired by the senator at their candidate. “To be running on such a positive platform but calling people out without actually calling them out, it seemed kind of desperate.”

Sometimes the shots are direct. When Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) called for restoring voting rights to convicted felons—including the Boston Marathon bomber—still serving prison time, Booker slammed him for taking the focus off “black and brown people and low-income people” who are languishing in prison.

Others have been more discreet. After Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) copped to smoking marijuana in her youth on a radio show in a light-hearted exchange, a month later, Booker took a swipe at “senators” who joke about having used the substance that has led to the incarceration of thousands of people.But it’s not just the top tier that has drawn Booker’s fire.

In an email sent last month to supporters, Booker attacked former Rep. John Delaney, a Maryland businessman, for infusing his campaign with millions from his personal fortune. Delaney, despite campaigning for the nomination for several years, still polls in the low single digits.

Still, on April 15, Booker’s campaign sent out a note that said: “This weekend, we found out that one of the other Democrats in this race has given over $11 million of his own money to his campaign,” which was italicized in the email for emphasis. “Self-funding is something Cory just can’t and would never do.”

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 03:57 PM

Pete Buttigieg just took a swipe at Trump, basically calling him out as a coward.

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On the campaign trail, Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg has frequently responded to questions about his youth and relative inexperience by noting that he has “more experience in government than the president, more executive experience than the vice president, and more military experience than anybody who’s come into that office since George H.W. Bush.”

But on Thursday morning, Buttigieg brought up his own military service in a newly aggressive way, telling a reporter during a live event that President Donald Trump faked a disability to avoid serving in the Vietnam War—a pointed reference to the long-disputed diagnosis of bone spurs that kept Trump from serving.

Buttigieg, himself a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, was responding to a question from The Washington Post’s Robert Costa about potentially debating the president.

“I don’t have a problem standing up to somebody who was working on season seven of Celebrity Apprentice when I was packing my bags for Afghanistan,” he said.

Costa then asked Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, if Trump should have served.

“I have a pretty dim view of his decision to use his privileged status to fake a disability in order to avoid serving in Vietnam,” Buttigieg replied. When Costa asked if Buttigieg believed that Trump “faked” the bone spurs in his heels to avoid the draft, the mayor rhetorically asked if “you believe he has a disability?”

As the audience chucked, Buttigieg protested that the dig was not meant as a joke.

“Needless to say, the way that [Trump] has treated and mocked disabled people is just one more example of the many affronts to basic decency that this president has inflicted on this country,” Buttigieg said, before refocusing on Trump’s Vietnam-era medical exemption.

“If he were a conscientious objector, I’d admire that,” Buttigieg said. “But this is somebody who, I think it’s fairly obvious to most of us, took advantage of the fact that he was the child of a multi-millionaire in order to pretend to be disabled so that somebody could go to war in his place.”

In December, The New York Times reported that the daughters of a Queens podiatrist claim that Trump’s 1968 bone spurs diagnosis were made as a “favor” to Trump’s father, the late real estate developer Fred Trump, in exchange for preferential treatment as a tenant in one of Trump’s buildings.

“If there was anything wrong in the building, my dad would call and Trump would take care of it immediately,” Elysa Braunstein, daughter of the late Dr. Larry Braunstein, told the Times.

In an interview with the Times in 2016, Trump claimed that a doctor provided “a very strong letter” about his bone spurs, but that he could not remember the doctor’s name.

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Posted 28 May 2019 - 11:52 AM

Buttigieg isn't letting up on Lt. Bonespurs.

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South Bend mayor and Democratic presidential contender Pete Buttigieg doubled down on his assertion that President Donald Trump faked a bone spurs diagnosis to avoid the draft during the Vietnam War.

“There is no question, I think to any reasonable observer, that the President found a way to falsify a disabled status, taking advantage of his privileged status, in order to avoid serving,” Buttigieg told ABC’s Martha Raddatz in an interview aired Sunday on “This Week.”

The mayor said he was positive that Trump faked a disability, and called it “an assault on the honor of this country.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 28 May 2019 - 12:54 PM

I did a little research on bone spurs. Barring surgery, they don't go away. If CadetBoneSpurs had them then and doesn't now, there'd be surgical scars.

Be fun watching someone lay down some serious money on whether he has the scars against resigning from office.
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