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#41 gmat

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:20 AM

For me, this is the year we flip both houses of the Virginia General Assembly, so I will be dialed-in on that one through 5 November.

Then it’s fucking game-on for ‘20.

But I will say, Warren is currently at the top of my list of Dems-who-have-(sort-of)-announced, and someone will have to knock her off that spot.

She’s my age, she would turn 72 her first year in office, and I would like to see someone more Harris’ age. But Warren looks fit (probably all that Injun blood) and speaks unambiguously to my issues.

I am looking forward to working my ass off the next 2 years to turn this thing around

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 11:54 AM

Bloomberg is still rumbling about getting in.

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Billionaire and former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg would spend at least $100 million of his own money — the amount he spent on his last bid for NYC mayor — if he decides to run for president in 2020, according to a Thursday CNBC report.

His top political adviser Howard Wolfson hinted at the investment in an email to CNBC.

“Mike spent more than $100 million in his last mayor’s race. Last time I looked, NYC is a fraction of the size of the country as a whole,” Wolfson said, adding Bloomberg would spend “whatever is required.”

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 12:28 PM

This should be fun! World class opportunist Mitt Romney wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post (of all the liberal places!!!) trashing Trump. That started the fireworks. Trump, of course, threw a hissy fit.

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Here we go with Mitt Romney, but so fast! Question will be, is he a Flake? I hope not. Would much prefer that Mitt focus on Border Security and so many other things where he can be helpful. I won big, and he didn’t. He should be happy for all Republicans. Be a TEAM player & WIN!


Then an RNC chair came out swinging. The funny thing is that she's Romney's niece.

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RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel called incoming Sen. Mitt Romney’s (R-UT) op-ed criticizing President Trump “disappointment and unproductive.” McDaniel is also Romney’s niece.


Republicans are circling the wagons, trying to figure out how to block challengers. Apparently Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) is a "so-called Republican" now.

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According to a Wednesday Washington Examiner report, RNC committeeman Jevon Williams sounded the alarm in a mass email.

“Unfortunately, loopholes in the rules governing the 2020 re-nomination campaign are enabling these so-called Republicans to flirt with the possibility of contested primaries and caucuses,” Williams wrote.

“While President Trump would win re-nomination it wouldn’t come quick and it wouldn’t be inexpensive. Any contested re-nomination campaign—even a forlorn hope—would only help Democrats,” he continued. “Accordingly, I am asking for your support to take the unprecedented step of amending the rules to close loopholes in the re-nomination campaign…”

An RNC spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

This is not the first time RNC members have toyed with the idea of manipulating the primary process to give Trump a buffer.


Josh Marshall sums it all up pretty much as ain't gonna' happen and doesn't expect Romney to even try a challenge. Republicans, as they always do, fall in line. They are now all Trump, all the time.

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With surprisingly little interest in or urgency about the shutdown now approaching its third week, Washington is now abuzz with the whipped up spat between President Trump and Mitt Romney after Romney wrote an unflattering oped in The Washington Post. Robert Costa says Trump’s critics see an opening and that one of his top advisors is getting calls from GOP donors asking Romney to challenge President Trump in 2020. Let’s please get real about this. Mitt Romney isn’t going to challenge anyone. President Trump won’t face any real challenge to his nomination and Romney’s oped was at best a mild rebuke.

What Romney really said was that Trump is gauche and un-respectable but that he will vote with Trump when they agree on specific policies. This is hardly a controversial stance. It’s quite difficult to argue with. And it is a stance Romney is in a very good position to make. Romney won’t face reelection until 2024, when Trump won’t be on the ballot even under the most catastrophic scenario. He also represents a state that is extremely Republican but not terribly friendly, relative to being so red, to Trump. You can say that Romney’s comments are more than most other Republican elected officials have been willing to make. But that’s certainly not saying much. And again, this is the first time we’ve seen any Republican elected official who didn’t face voters until 2024.

Will Romney challenge Trump? Very, very unlikely. Mitt Romney isn’t a suicide run kind of guy or the type who would see it as a good use of his time to mount a presidential campaign to make a point or to damage a GOP incumbent. He’s someone who thought and undoubtedly still thinks he should really be President. And in lineage and resume terms, he’s got a decent argument. Romney is the son of a popular Republican governor, a big success in business, governor himself and now a senator. He won’t spend 18 months of his life running around the country to make a point.

There are only two Republicans who can deny Donald Trump the 2020 nomination: Robert Mueller or Donald Trump. Even in the face of sagging public support he remains very popular among Republicans. Romney, meanwhile, is the least well positioned guy to challenge him.

What Romney is doing is pretty clear, carving out a position where he can comfortably be a critic of the President’s loutishness and bad character while still remaining orthodox on all key issues and not actually challenging Trump where it matters – foreign policy and oversight. Let’s be clear. What Romney’s doing isn’t nothing. Most of his colleagues, even the newcomers are eager and happy to be Trump lickspittles and toadies. Romney isn’t doing that. That’s not nothing. But it’s not a lot more than nothing.

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 12:52 PM

View PostTraveler, on 31 December 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

That I can go for. She is far more sensible than Sanders, and will peel away Sanderites with a shred of responsibility.

So much for that idea -- the Berners are already attacking her for distracting from the Revolution.
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Posted 03 January 2019 - 12:54 PM

View PostLFC, on 03 January 2019 - 12:28 PM, said:

Josh Marshall sums it all up pretty much as ain't gonna' happen and doesn't expect Romney to even try a challenge. Republicans, as they always do, fall in line. They are now all Trump, all the time.
To put it in crude terms, Romney refuses to be a Dumpster fluffer. But he won't be a cock blocker either.
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Posted 03 January 2019 - 01:35 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 03 January 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:

So much for that idea -- the Berners are already attacking her for distracting from the Revolution.

Do we know if it's the Berners or the Russian Manipulation Machine steering that effort?
Well, fuck.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 03:48 PM

Recall I said those with a shred of responsibility. That is not close to most Berners by any means.
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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:05 PM

Bernie Sanders' fans can't be allowed to poison another Democratic primary with personal attacks
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:40 PM

View PostAnBr, on 03 January 2019 - 10:05 PM, said:


F***ing asshats. This is yet another reason we can't have nice things. The more I hear of Sanders the less respect I have for him.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:58 PM

View PostLFC, on 03 January 2019 - 10:40 PM, said:

F***ing asshats. This is yet another reason we can't have nice things. The more I hear of Sanders the less respect I have for him.

And I wonder how many of the folks writing these attack stories are either Russian or lapping up things written by Russians.
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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 11:03 PM

Why not both?
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"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 06:39 AM

View PostAnBr, on 03 January 2019 - 10:05 PM, said:


A Like, but I have a misgiving: how much of the Berniebots' toxic extruded verbal material in the primaries and the election for POTUS was protected free speech?

I've already shared with you on several occasions my problems with protected free speech in practice.I totally get the theory, and the UK could learn so much from you, but . . .
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Posted 04 January 2019 - 08:41 AM

The UK has free speech too. But only if you are in the houses of parliament or on a soap box at Hyde Park Corner - the so called protected 'Speakers Corner'. Everywhere else beware the libel suits.
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Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:34 AM

View PostLFC, on 03 January 2019 - 10:40 PM, said:

F***ing asshats. This is yet another reason we can't have nice things. The more I hear of Sanders the less respect I have for him.

Agreed. And it was already pretty low after the 2016 election.

Granted, it's still more than I have for every Republican politician, but that's not a high bar to pass.
Well, fuck.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 10:26 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 04 January 2019 - 06:39 AM, said:

A Like, but I have a misgiving: how much of the Berniebots' toxic extruded verbal material in the primaries and the election for POTUS was protected free speech?

Free speech is protected only from governmental consequences, not from social criticism. As long as that speech is not slanderous or presents a public danger one can say whatever he wants, but there is nothing to protect him from the consequences of such words.

Being called out in an opinion piece or any pushback faced on social media for repeating the Russian/right-wing lies has little to do with the First Amendment.
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 11:52 AM

Looking back over this the other thing that pisses me off is that every Berniebot's opinion is amplified 100X by the media. They are sooooo desperate for conflict and controversy that they'll turn over every rock they can to report on it. People still believe that Hillary "stole" the nomination from Sanders because the MSM simply had to report on accusations before they had the facts. One after another of those accusations turned out to be nothing-burgers but that isn't "news".
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Posted 04 January 2019 - 01:19 PM

There's going to be an open Senate seat in Kansas in 2020.

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Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) will retire at the end of his term, he announced on Friday ending a four-decade congressional career.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 09:59 PM

The Barre Montpelier Times Argus Asks Sanders Not to Run in 2020

'You Need to Know When to Step Out of the Way'
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 08:03 AM

View PostAnBr, on 07 January 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

The Barre Montpelier Times Argus Asks Sanders Not to Run in 2020

'You Need to Know When to Step Out of the Way'

Yeah, right. I think we all know he'll never step out of the way.

My wife and I had a conversation Sunday night about the 2020 election and her biggest issue is that Trump not be reelected. I told her it could happen. With watery eyes she asked me how could that be, with questions about who we are as a nation and are people really that hateful. My answer was simple; Bernie Sanders and the Bernie Bros are the number one threat to having Trump reelected.

With the curtain pulled back only slightly my opinion has turned to Bernie being an all-or-nothing, my-way-or-the-highway kind of guy. The Bernie Bros have turned into a cesspool where they'd rather destroy everything they stand for than elect someone with views that align with Bernie's to the tune of 95%. I also touched on his penchant for grand proclamations with less substance to back them up, his not being a Democrat at all yet insisting he be allowed on the ballot as a Democrat*.

It was upsetting to Mrs. HockeyDon but she revealed that while she loves the energy and message he initially brought to the table, his actions late in the campaign started to turn her away from Bernie. Especially his lack of support for Clinton when she won the primary.

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* I understand why they had to let him campaign as a Democrat. Bernie running as an independent and splitting the voters would have made a Trump election a certainty rather than a surprise.
Well, fuck.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 08:30 AM

View PostAnBr, on 07 January 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

The Barre Montpelier Times Argus Asks Sanders Not to Run in 2020

'You Need to Know When to Step Out of the Way'
The comments are frightening though.
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