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Posted 03 May 2019 - 02:46 PM

Tea Party Kentucy Gov. Matt Bevin is floundering. Trump is trying to bail him out. I guess people don't like it when they or those they care about have health insurance ripped right out from under them. They also aren't crazy about having their schools reduced to Third World status.

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In ruby red Kentucky, Gov. Matt Bevin ( R ) is gasping for air with an approval rating in the low 30s, prompting President Donald Trump to bail the governor out and prove that Trump’s own coattails are long enough to secure what should be a safe Republican reelect.

According to a Friday Politico report, Vice President Mike Pence has already visited and pledged help, and Bevin has come to the White House 10 times. Team Trump is intensely worried about the optics of such a close ally underwater in a state that overwhelmingly went for Trump in 2016, fretting that Democrats would take such a turnaround as cause for optimism and mobilization.

Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), a onetime rival of Bevin’s, is also offering his formidable fundraising machine. His motives are not purely selfless either — McConnell’s seat is up in 2020 and he’s eager to spread the notion that his reelection is a foregone conclusion not worth fighting.

Though Bevin is operating in a Republican stronghold, he has become politically toxic after staging splashy fights with groups like public school teachers. He plans to run his first ad — punctuated with appearances by Trump — this weekend during the Kentucky Derby, a full six months before the election.


The Dems need to run on "if they're Republican, they're Trump." Then bring up all the policies which, to be fair, are core Republican dogma. Healthcare, pollution, education, minimum wage, women's pay, and on and on. If it polls well and the Republicans don't own it (which is most things) then run on it and repeat over and over again that the Republican (whoever they are) are against it.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 11:34 AM

Looks like there's going to be a bit of a Democratic dust-up over the most conservative member of the caucus. It's turning into a tussle between the DCCC and multiple left-leaning groups including some pretty big ones.

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A coalition of major progressive groups has joined together to try to oust Rep. Dan Lipinksi (D-IL), one of the most conservative House Democrats left in Congress.

The pro-abortion rights groups EMILY’s List, Planned Parenthood Action Fund and NARAL Pro-Choice America, as well as the liberal organizations MoveOn, Progressive Campaign Change Committee and Democracy for America announced a joint endorsement of Marie Newman, who nearly beat Lipinski last year and is now gunning for a rematch.

Lipinski is the only House Democrat who opposes abortion rights, and he has taken past positions to the right of the Democratic caucus on issues ranging from LGBTQ rights to immigration to foreign policy.

The endorsements could also put the powerful liberal groups on a collision course with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which is forcing its vendors to sign a loyalty pledge that bars them from working for primary opponents of any sitting House Democratic members. Any strategists who work for Newman won’t get any DCCC work this cycle as a result.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 12:26 PM

Sanders is willing to burn the Democratic Party to the ground (and why not since after all it's not his party) to get what he wants. F*** Bernie. I see no interest in practicality in him whatsoever. It's all or nothing. If Trump wins I'm sure his bullshit will have been a real help.

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In just the last month, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) unloaded a blistering attack on a leading Democratic think tank. He went after former Vice President Joe Biden on a number of policy fronts. And one of his top congressional surrogates accused Mayor Pete Buttigieg of intellectual dishonesty.

It’s a new, more aggressive look for Team Sanders. The senator who four years ago was known as a gruff but endearing candidate running a democratic-socialist, ideas-driven campaign has decided to bare his fangs more quickly this time, in hopes that it may actually win him the nomination.

“[T]he senator learned… many lessons from 2016,” Nina Turner, a national co-chair of Sanders’ 2020 campaign told The Daily Beast, “and one of those lessons is to show what separates you very clearly from the rest of the people running.”


I have not problem with respectful disagreement and of course full expect it from everybody running for the nomination but I no faith in Sanders's temperament and ability to hold nastiness in check. And if he goes this route I give every candidate permission to rip him a new one. BTW if you want to understand what kind of opposition research Clinton and the Republicans had on him which he never faced just click away. Here's a nice sample quoted in the second link.

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Here are a few tastes of what was in store for Sanders, straight out of the Republican playbook: He thinks rape is A-OK. In 1972, when he was 31, Sanders wrote a fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes, there is an explanation for it — a long, complicated one, just like the one that would make clear why the Clinton emails story was nonsense. And we all know how well that worked out.

Then there’s the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words “environmental racist” on Republican billboards. And if you can’t, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.

Also on the list: Sanders violated campaign finance laws, criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for, and he voted against the Amber Alert system. His pitch for universal health care would have been used against him too, since it was tried in his home state of Vermont and collapsed due to excessive costs. Worst of all, the Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, “Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die,’’ while President Daniel Ortega condemned “state terrorism” by America. Sanders said, on camera, supporting the Sandinistas was “patriotic.”

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone reallyattacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.


If you don't think this isn't a plethora of right-wing continuous loop material that the MSM would dutifully pick up and repeat then you haven't been paying attention to politics for the past few decades.
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Posted 06 May 2019 - 04:42 PM

Josh Marshall says the presidential election can't be close because every Republican, including those on SCOTUS, will move every lever to steal the election. They did it once before in 2000 and they're more brazen now.

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At the risk of stating the obvious, we should take it as a given that if the 2020 presidential election ends with any plausible, colorable path to the US Supreme Court becoming involved in the outcome, the current majority will intervene and hand the president to President Trump. I don’t believe it is alarmist to say or hyperbolic to believe this. It is only to accurately set expectations. A far more legitimate, less corrupt court did as much in 2000. The current five are entirely different. Indeed, only one – Thomas – remains from the Bush v Gore majority.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 May 2019 - 05:09 PM

Trump's numbers aren't looking good. Sure it's early but what are the odds he's suddenly going to straighten himself out and do something good for the people?

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In a new examination of voter preference changes between 2016 and 2019, the Voter Study Group found a marked difference in the opinions of a much-discussed group in the electorate: voters who voted for Barack Obama in 2012 and then Trump in 2016. Unsurprisingly, this group largely had a positive opinion of Trump in 2016 — 85 percent of these voters approved of him, the survey found.

But these opinions have significantly shifted. In 2019, only 66 percent of these voters still approved of Trump — a 19-point drop.

“Even small movement among these voters — who represented 9 percent of voters in 2016 — may prove significant heading into the 2020 presidential election,” wrote Robert Griffin of the Voter Study Group. “Obama-Trump voters are also disproportionately white, non-college educated and, as a result, are likely to be well distributed geographically for the purpose of electoral impact.”


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State-by-state polling also supports this inference. Morning Consult presents data on Trump’s approval across the country and over time. In the key states where Trump won in 2016 — Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania — the president started out in early 2017 with a net positive approval rating:
  • PA: +10
  • WI: +6
  • MI: +7
But by April 2019, he was significantly underwater in each of these states:
  • PA: -7
  • WI: -13
  • MI: -10
There are other states where he’s also looking weak. In Ohio, he’s at -4; Arizona, -7; Florida, -2; North Carolina, -2; Iowa, -8. Meanwhile, there are no states that Hillary Clinton won in 2016 in which Trump now has a positive approval rating.

Of course, these numbers will continue to vary, as they have throughout his presidency. And heading into 2020, Trump will have the advantage of incumbency, which confers a sense of legitimacy and stability to even someone as erratic as the current president. But even with a strong economy, Trump has been unable to lift his numbers in these key states back to the level they were at in early 2017. And on a broad scale, Trump has never broken 50 percent approval nationally.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:30 PM

Russia's effort to convince Bernie Sanders voters to support Trump was 'central' to their strategy to beat Hillary Clinton, according to a new study

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Russia's effort to convince supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders to vote for President Donald Trump over former Secretary Hillary Clinton was more expansive than previously known, according to a new study.

Researchers at Clemson University, at the request of The Washington Post, examined English-language tweets that came from Russia and found thousands that were designed to urge Sanders supporters to back Trump.

Of the Russian tweets the researchers analyzed, roughly 9,000 used the word "Bernie," which were "liked" 59,281 times and retweeted 61,804 times.

The tweets came from accounts masquerading as conservative Americans, with profiles that said things like, "Southern. Conservative Pro God. Anti Racism" and tweeted things like, "#BlackMenForBernie Leader Switches to Trump! I will Never Vote for Hillary, Welcome aboard the Trump Train."

And they are starting again.
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Posted 12 May 2019 - 09:00 AM

From the original WaPo:

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While it is impossible to show a direct correlation between a Russia-based tweet and someone’s vote in the United States, a post-election survey conducted for Ohio State University documented how false stories spread on social media may have caused a decline in turnout for Clinton. Only 77 percent of those surveyed who had voted for Barack Obama in 2012 supported Clinton in 2016; 10 percent backed Trump, 4 percent voted for third-party candidates, and 8 percent did not vote, according to the YouGov survey.

In an effort to demonstrate how inaccurate information makes its way into the mainstream, the survey asked respondents about three demonstrably false articles that had been widely distributed. A quarter of respondents believed the false story that Clinton was in “very poor health,” 10 percent believed that Trump had been endorsed by the pope, and 35 percent (including 20 percent of Obama supporters) believed that Clinton had approved weapons sales to Islamic militants, “including ISIS.”

The Ohio State team concluded in its soon-to-be-published final report that “belief in these fake news stories is very strongly linked to defection from the Democratic ticket by 2012 Obama voters.” Obama voters who recognized all three stories as false voted for Clinton at a rate of 89 percent, while 61 percent who believed one of the false stories voted for her, and 17 percent of those who believed two of the false stories supported Clinton.
Underlines mine.
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Posted 12 May 2019 - 10:02 AM

And yet, Hillary got more votes than Obama did in 2012. He got more in 2008. Her problem was where the votes were located.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 10:07 AM

View PostJackD, on 12 May 2019 - 10:02 AM, said:

And yet, Hillary got more votes than Obama did in 2012. He got more in 2008. Her problem was where the votes were located.

Yep. The Russian influence hit just the right pressure points.
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Posted 13 May 2019 - 08:39 AM

This is a classic Republican outreach approach to women and minorities. Is it changing policies and rhetoric so they actually feel like there's somewhere in the party for them? Of course not! It's heading for pure identity politics. It comes down to nothing more than "Look! We have a black woman running!"

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House Republicans are aggressively recruiting female and minority candidates for the 2020 races, cognizant of the overwhelming white-maleness of their caucus.

According to the Associated Press, they are acutely worried about moderate suburbs, many of which swung decisively to the Democrats during the 2018 midterms.

Democrats are still reportedly having more success in attracting female candidates, despite the Republican effort.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 09:20 AM

View PostLFC, on 12 May 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yep. The Russian influence hit just the right pressure points.
I still wonder what info Manafort gave, and how Cambridge Analytica gamed FB so well. Mueller didnt find anything supposedly, but there seems to be plenty to still dig into. Wonder what is happening with Stone's Grand Jury?
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Posted 13 May 2019 - 11:54 AM

Biden has gone from being the clear front runner to being the commanding front runner. If Sanders simply gets crushed the Bernouts will throw a friggin' fit and may, once again, help Trump. If they can't have what they want they'll burn it all down. The far left sounds more and more like Republicans just with different policies by the day.

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Let’s start with the obligatory disclaimers and caveats and blah blah. It’s very early. The first caucuses and primaries are almost 10 months away. But Joe Biden is getting more than a bounce from his campaign launch announcement three weeks ago. The bump in his poll numbers haven’t subsided. His support continues to climb. A poll out over the weekend from South Carolina puts his support at 46% with Bernie Sanders far behind at 15% and three others, Harris (10%), Buttigieg (8%) and Warren (8%), just behind him.

South Carolina is important for a number of reasons – mostly, because it’s one of the first four caucuses and primaries that usually defines and sometimes settles a nominating contest. But unlike Iowa and New Hampshire, which are both lily white, South Carolina’s Democratic presidential primary is majority African-American – 61% in 2016. Biden’s strength is South Carolina confirms which you see in the internals of the national polls – very strong support among African-American voters.

But it’s not just South Carolina. The trend is national as well. Since Biden’s announcement in late April his support has risen about 10 points and most of it has been at Bernie Sanders’ expense. This chart from RCP is striking.

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As you can see in that peloton at the bottom of the chart there’s been some bubbling around. Buttigieg has risen; O’Rourke has fallen. But basically, no one is breaking out.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 02:08 PM

And #22 enters the race.

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Montana Gov. Steve Bullock (D) became the 22nd Democratic candidate in the race Tuesday, announcing his bid in a video called “Fair Shot.”

He opens up the ad by talking about corrupt politicians in Montana’s past, then transitioning into Citizens United, the landmark campaign finance Supreme Court case.

At that point, he leans into his trump card.

“As a Democratic governor in a state that Trump won by 20 points, I don’t have the luxury of just talking to people that agree with me. I go all across our state’s 147,000 square miles looking for common ground to get things done,” he said.


Yo, Steve. Obama said the same thing about common ground. You haven't run into Mitch "Obstruction of Everything" McConnell yet.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 02:14 PM

View PostLFC, on 14 May 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:

Yo, Steve. Obama said the same thing about common ground. You haven't run into Mitch "Obstruction of Everything" McConnell yet.
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 05:55 PM

Biden Pulling Away in South Carolina With 46%

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Just weeks after announcing his presidential run, former Vice President Joe Biden led the Democratic pack in the key South Carolina race, attracting support from 46% of likely party primary voters in a state poll released Sunday.

Biden had more than triple the support of his nearest rival, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who attracted 15% of those surveyed, according to Charleston’s Post and Courier newspaper, which conducted the poll with Change Research.

Almost 90% of respondents said Biden has the best shot to unseat President Donald Trump, the newspaper reported, highlighting an emphasis on beating Trump that has vaulted Biden to the front of his party’s field of more than 20 presidential candidates. Trump has particularly attacked Biden on Twitter and in his public comments.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:44 PM

As DailyKos points out today, Biden thought the Republicans were going to come around after Obama's reelection in 2012. That was really wrong. Now he's saying he's confident they'll come around after Trump is gone. Yeah, pretty much! If it has to be be Joe, so be it, but I really hope that's not the necessary choice. The progressives are quite right to be discouraged about that possibility.

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:38 PM

How much is that he really believes that and how much is just political rhetoric? Remember the Dem, whoever it is needs to win back those in the center.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:41 AM

View PostLFC, on 14 May 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:


And here we go -- a popular ex-governor decides that rather than try to flip a winnable Senate seat he's going to make a hopeless try to rescue the Presidential nomination for older white men.
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:45 AM

View PostAnBr, on 14 May 2019 - 10:38 PM, said:

How much is that he really believes that and how much is just political rhetoric? Remember the Dem, whoever it is needs to win back those in the center.

And if it means turning away certain votes to the left of Eisenhower then so be it.

This is the same mistake that Democrats have been making now for fifty years. Where have all the flowers gone?
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:50 AM

Making a statement for bipartisanship alienates the entire left? That is not a call to capitulate to the right. That makes the entire left sound as unthinking intractable as the baggers where compromise is a dirty word. Personally I think that Repugs should pound sand, but we are talking about the voters that swung from Obama to tRump and made the difference in '16. They are *FAR* more reliable voters than the Bernouts that couldn't be bothered to vote for their messiah in the primaries.
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