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#441 LFC

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 04:09 PM

In case it's an important issue to you here are how the Dem candidates stack up on legalization of marijuana.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:42 AM

DC, I dont think anybody on this board disagrees with you that bipartisanship is dead. But you gotta win the elections (House, Senate and POTUS) in order to return fire back at the POG.

Right now, it is win baby win. Period. That doesn't require bipartisanship so much as it requires getting the folks who are terrified of the Dem left taking their guns and cars. Tacking left is a losing proposition for Dems. They have done a very poor job at enumerating how much they represent most of America. They need some real PR. MSNBC don't cut it.
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 10:32 AM

Josh Marshall's latest take on the current status of presidential polling and what we can expect from Trump. It's scary because it's not just possible. It's scary because it's totally probable. In fact Republican voter suppression has already been going on for years. The GOP will do ANYTHING they think they can get away with and they have a lot of levers to pull this year. There is absolutely no interest on their side in free and fair elections. Everything they've done shows us that. It's no longer a hypothesis.

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Yesterday Fox News published a new presidential poll. The “Fox News” moniker aside, their poll is a solid, legitimate poll, even if it’s a bit on the favorable end toward the President. Trump’s approval rating was on the relative high side for him in this poll at 46%. (53% opposed.) Best numbers are on the economy; worst on health care; not surprising.

The head to head numbers with Democratic challengers are revealing. Against Joe Biden, Trump is 11 points down, 49%-38%. Against Bernie Sanders, 46%-41%, Harris it’s 41%-41%. Warren, 43%-41%. Buttigieg 40%-41%.

These numbers are undergirded by other details of the poll, which match most other polls. Underneath the 46% approve, 53% disapprove – only 28% strongly approve the President while 44% strongly disapprove. Again, very challenging numbers.

One clear thing to draw from this is that, for now, Biden is far and away the strongest candidate – only Sanders is even close to as strong. But the real takeaway is that against named candidates the incumbent President can’t get above 41% support. That is quite simply a massive warning sign for the incumbent, especially when the economy is red hot by conventional definitions.

On the one hand, that’s great for Democrats. But Trump and his top campaign advisors will see this as well. So for all the clamor about how things are apparently going great for him, they know that they will need a series of very dramatic things to happen over the next 18 months to win reelection – some kind of foreign adventure, having the Justice Department use its power to subvert the election, some alliance with a foreign power to destroy one of the President’s political opponents (what Giuliani was trying to do in Ukraine and likely continues to do), some effort to get the election into the Supreme Court. There are almost limitless possibilities. But something of that magnitude – in fact, probably several – are likely necessary to get the President up into the middle 40s support where the advantages of the electoral college can pull out a victory.

The point is, President Trump isn’t someone who’s just going to sit back and let himself lose a conventional election, a lawful election. There’s nothing remotely about the man that makes that plausible. He managed an electoral college victory in 2016 with 46.1% of the vote. These numbers suggest he needs to move at least 5% in his favor, a very tall order. 2016 required a perfect storm. Wikileaks, Russia, Comey’s devastating late campaign intervention, a mini-recession in the industrial midwest driven by a number of transnational economic factors and also tighter monetary policy, Democratic party divisions – all of these had to come together. Trump requires a second perfect storm. But as an incumbent with all the powers of the executive branch he has many more ways to engineer one.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 01:41 PM

So . . . ramp up the voter suppression, calculating that there will be a storm of lawsuits, finishing with the Supreme Court killing it — after Trump has won a second term?

Or maybe the Supreme Court will not kill it?
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 02:09 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 17 May 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

So . . . ramp up the voter suppression, calculating that there will be a storm of lawsuits, finishing with the Supreme Court killing it — after Trump has won a second term?

Or maybe the Supreme Court will not kill it?

By Trump's 3rd term (brought about by simple voice vote from Republicans in the Senate) the Supreme Court would have determined that its jurisdiction does not reach the Presidency or the federal cabinet. Since the President appoints judges therefore the judges are subjugate. No constitutional amendments needed. That is too much unnecessary work resulting in zero outcomes.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 02:36 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 17 May 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

By Trump's 3rd term (brought about by simple voice vote from Republicans in the Senate) the Supreme Court would have determined that its jurisdiction does not reach the Presidency or the federal cabinet. Since the President appoints judges therefore the judges are subjugate. No constitutional amendments needed. That is too much unnecessary work resulting in zero outcomes.

Not much hope of a happy ending then?
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 03:34 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 17 May 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Not much hope of a happy ending then?

Proscribed activity per the Pence Proclamation. If caught the punishment is a 7 day confinement in a re-education camp. The curricula mandates one has to view Mike Pence's pious but deeply disappointed face and hear him sigh in exasperation. It's intended to help one meditate on one's predicament.

No need to despair. It's not all bad. The law doesn't quite apply if you happen to patronize exclusive establishments run by influential friends of the POTUS. Waivers are granted to the deserving.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 04:36 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 17 May 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Not much hope of a happy ending then?

We don't know. He paid her off to never speak of it. (Did I misinterpret the question?)
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:18 AM

View PostJackD, on 16 May 2019 - 03:52 PM, said:

I realize, PG, that you are a Biden supporter but I think you'll have some difficulty justifying his campaigning in Michigan in the 2018 midterms for a Republican candidate for the House as well as his claim in 2011 that after the election the Republicans would become bipartisan and cooperate or his current claim, after experiencing McConnell's intransigence, that they will do so once Trump is removed. Plenty of his opponents have made concrete proposals.

JackD- you might be a bit mistaken. I'm the one who said I would vote for my dog over Donald Trump. I've always liked Joe- but there are a couple of reasons to hold back. It applies to the whole field. What won't feed the bulldog are coy candidates, as they beat up on other candidates for having a record. I listen to a lot...

In terms of concrete "proposals", feel free to tell me not just the concrete but reasonable ones. How to positively affect people's lives now. No pie in the sky, which tastes great when you're flying first class but gets a bit different when Earth meets landing.
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:31 AM

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....I would vote for my dog over Donald Trump.

So would I. And I have no idea what PG's dog stands for. Grain free kibble for all? Detention centers for cats? A mailman in every pot?
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:16 PM

Max 20/20- He has the vision, he has the chops, and is very culturally aware. True:

1. He believes you should be able to pee where and when you need. Be discreet. He also believes that, sometimes, he pees like a man. Sometimes, a woman. And he wants no judgment, as long as he hurts nobody.

2. Grain-free for all? Well, his comfort in life is due to ditching the grains. Limited protein food for that itchy boy, so he could concentrate on policy. Now- if he gets a wee bit lost in the neighborhood- hell, yes- give the man some chips. His staff will come get him. Eat what you want... Poached eggs on a Sunday is a "thing", and the bite comes from staff's fork. Mr. is a nut.

3. All creatures except for rats can peacefully co-exist. Eh, everybody has their terrorists...Cats, though- very afraid of him. Hmmm.

4. Leave USPS employees alone. Have you ever tried that? The only reason that the USPS is "downgraded" is that their pension plan has been over-blown (and raped), and how else will Max get his mailbox money? Since no opposable thumbs, Twitter is hard for him.

5. Free speech- a natural, for a vociferous candidate. But if you really listen, all he says is:

Max 20/20- I can see why any candidate other than Trump- even me- is the answer.
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“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”


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Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:26 PM

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...Cats, though- very afraid of him. Hmmm.

Ahhh, probably another pussy-grabber. Don't worry - that wont stop people from voting for him.
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