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#141 LFC

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 05:59 PM

BTW Drum has a different view.
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Posted 06 December 2019 - 06:17 PM

 LFC, on 06 December 2019 - 05:59 PM, said:


Now that's very interesting. Thanks for bringing it here. I think Drum is probably missing factors like age (a stable but aging population is just the run up for eventual steep decline) or the fact that people leaving a locale for greener pastures tend to raise the median income of the area they left or (most simply) that 27 counties is simply not a large enough sample to stand in for the entire rural countryside, but I'm now going to more closely watch next year's census numbers when they come out.

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 08:12 AM

Although I’m pretty sure the education aspect of the divide has been covered, this recent article lays it out in pretty stark terms: Lack of reasonable access to post-secondary education (whether in pursuit of a baccalaureate degree or technical training) in person, or even the broadband Internet to access online courses, is a contributing factor.

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With a 40-minute drive west to the nearest community college or a 40-minute drive south to a four-year college, Lake County is smack dab in the middle of a higher education desert, one of a handful of such spots in Michigan, most located north of Grand Rapids. In that same 40-minute drive, an Ann Arbor resident can reach four community colleges and two public, four-year colleges.

The deserts are home to Michigan’s poorest counties, the kind that need a boost from employers bringing jobs. But there’s a vicious circle at work — no easy access to education past high school, which means no highly trained workforce, which means no reason for a small manufacturing company or a software firm to come to town, which means not many jobs that pay well, which means more poverty, which means it’s harder for people to have money for college, which means … well, the circle just continues.

It's a circle that's repeated all across America. In 2016, across U.S. states and territories, 5.4 million individuals lived in education deserts, lacking access to any type of higher education institution within a 30-minute drive, according to a recent study by the Jain Family Institute. Looking at public colleges alone, 10.1 million individuals live in education deserts and 30.7 million individuals have access to only one public school.

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 10:15 AM

View PostBact PhD, on 27 January 2020 - 08:12 AM, said:

Although I’m pretty sure the education aspect of the divide has been covered, this recent article lays it out in pretty stark terms: Lack of reasonable access to post-secondary education (whether in pursuit of a baccalaureate degree or technical training) in person, or even the broadband Internet to access online courses, is a contributing factor.

I see they failed to mention that state support of education in the U.S. is actively making the situation worse. For example Scott Walker, a Koch Bros. pet, wrecked Wisconsin's higher education funding. And the Bush Bust of 2008 was a major cause for state funding cuts. Welcome to short-term thinking. Here's an overview of support cuts and tuition hikes. More and more keeps getting pushed onto the students.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 10:23 AM

No surprise, New Mexico is a poster child for long drives to education. On the other hand, I have to give the legislature credit for doing a lot given the relative poverty of the State. UNM (Albuquerque, research), NMSU (Las Cruces, research), Western NMU (Silver City, master's), Eastern NMU (Portales, master's), Northern NMU (Española, bachelor's), NM Tech (Socorro, research), and NM Highlands (Las Vegas, master's). That's not counting the branch campuses (18) and community colleges (9) and their branches (9) scattered around the State. Nor does it count the two Navajo tribal colleges (bachelor's and master's) and their branch campuses, nor the Catholic universities (up to PhD) and their branch campuses. I'm totally ignoring the smaller private schools and all of the for-profit ones.

If you're counting, that's six four-year plus universities with 24 campuses, 18 junior colleges and campuses -- and that's the public colleges. The system has uniform class numbering and specifications so in-State transfers carry the full credits and matching for prerequisites (although don't expect to find much astrophysics offered at NMSU or botany at Tech). This, in a State with a population of 2 million and either the poorest or second-poorest population in the USA. It's a constant competition with Mississippi.

I really wish we could do as well at the secondary level -- too many of our high schools simply don't have the size or budget to offer what the universities need in incoming students.
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 10:27 AM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:

I see they failed to mention that state support of education in the U.S. is actively making the situation worse. For example Scott Walker, a Koch Bros. pet, wrecked Wisconsin's higher education funding. And the Bush Bust of 2008 was a major cause for state funding cuts. Welcome to short-term thinking. Here's an overview of support cuts and tuition hikes. More and more keeps getting pushed onto the students.

Yup. States that are serious can get a lot for the dollar, though. NMT consistently ranks close to the top in terms of bang for the education dollar. (And, yes, that's an EMRTC pun.)
The way a lot of catastrophes happen is that X doesn't occur because there are safeguards in place, therefore people assume X isn't a worry and they remove the safeguards. Then X happens.
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 12:32 PM

We have the same problems in the rural areas of Upstate NY. Some school districts have a TOTAL population of less than 1,000 students. In contrast, our district has about 10K students.

Resources and tax bases are dwindling, populations are declining. Fortunately NY State is pretty aggressive in this area but the problems don't have easy solutions. Consolidating districts is a very sensible option but there's all sorts of parochial issues to go with that.
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