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Posted 24 January 2020 - 10:44 AM

I believe this was already covered but I like how succinctly Josh Marshall puts it.

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I’m late to this. But yes, at Davos yesterday President Trumped bragged that he can’t be convicted because his team is withholding all the incriminating evidence.

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Good Lord, I'm late to this one. But yeah, the President actually said he can't be convicted because his team is withholding all the incriminating documents.

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:13 PM

Giuliani is becoming increasingly erratic, and he was already pretty erratic. Here he is losing his shit on Faux & Fiends. Sullivan's description of him as "a small man in search of a balcony" jumps into my head every time I see that he's done another batshit crazy interview.

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President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani showed up on the president’s favorite morning program on Friday—and apparently didn’t want to leave.

A day after Giuliani claimed on Twitter that he was about to go public with evidence that will reveal the “Biden Family Enterprise made millions by selling public office” when Joe Biden was vice president, the former New York City mayor sat down on Fox & Friends’ curvy couch for what can generously be described as an unhinged, rambling, off-the-rails performance.

Giuliani, whose involvement in the Ukraine scandal is at the heart of the president’s impeachment, continually left the hosts of the Fox News slack-jawed as he prattled on and bulldozed right through their efforts to keep him from incriminating and implicating himself.

For example, as he claimed he would provide “compelling” evidence later in the day on a podcast to support his wild assertions about the Bidens that seemingly ensnare the entire Obama administration AND Hillary Clinton, co-host Brian Kilmeade wanted to make sure “the State Department and the White House know everything you were doing."

Elsewhere in the interview, which was aired in front of a live studio audience, the one-time America’s Mayor dismissed text messages and call logs with shady businessman Lev Parnas and other figures associated with Ukraine, oddly boasting: “How about all those phone records that show that I am a very hard-working lawyer?”

Finally, after Giuliani once again repeated his Biden-related conspiracies, co-host Steve Doocy stepped in to wrap up the segment.

“I know you could go clear through noon when your podcast starts. Give it up for Rudy Giuliani,” Doocy exclaimed to cheers from the audience. “We’re going to be watching.”

The Trump lawyer, however, wasn’t budging, instead saying that he’d only shown the “tip of the iceberg” while rambling on some more.

“Rudy, we’re done,” Doocy begged, prompting Kilmeade to add: “We have got to go. The president wants you to continue this investigation?”

“Would you like me to give up?” Giuliani replied, before adding: “Would you like me to say OK, Biden can keep his 8 million that he got in bribes. He can keep all the bribes that they got.”

Again, Doocy tried to give the signal that the interview was over, telling Giuliani that “we’re waiting for noon” for the podcast. Giuliani, meanwhile, ignored Doocy while asking Kilmeade if he should “give it up” while grabbing his head and awkwardly leaning off the couch.

The ex-mayor would continue to steamroll over Doocy’s efforts to go to commercial break so he could get yet another last word in, finally giving it up after Doocy’s fifth attempt to end the interview.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 05:31 PM

A Confederacy of Douches, a saga of America hating Republican Senators trying to defend Dear Leader. Here's Sen. Ron Johnson:

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Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), who tried unsuccessfully last summer to get President Donald Trump to reinstate military aid for Ukraine, bitterly complained on Friday that the government didn’t do enough to cover up President Donald Trump’s efforts to push the Ukrainian government to investigate prospective 2020 rival Joe Biden.

Politico reports that Johnson said he believed the entire controversy had harmed relations between Ukraine and the United States, and he expressed confidence that Trump could have been convinced to release military aid to the country if government officials had kept their misgivings about the hold in house.

“It never should have got exposed outside of the agencies,” he said. “It just shouldn’t have. If these guys are really trying to help Ukraine, it hasn’t helped.”


Next we have Sen. John Barrasso:

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An explosive report from ABC News on Friday morning detailed an audio recording purportedly of President Donald Trump demanding the firing of Marie Yovanovitch, in which the president instructs his henchmen to “get rid of her” and “take her out.”

Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY), when asked by reporters about this new evidence Friday afternoon, blew it off as not a big deal.

“There will be new evidence every day!” he said in shrugging off the purported recording of the president. “There will be something new that comes out every day!”

However, the senator sang a different tune just two days ago when he echoed Republican talking points by complaining that House Dem

“Well, we’ve just come out of 6 hours of testimony so far today, I didn’t hear anything new at all,” the senator said on Wednesday.


And then there's Sen. James Lankford:

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Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) on Friday furiously tried to deflect when CNN’s Jake Tapper asked him to name one instance other than Ukraine where President Donald Trump held up foreign aid to a country because he was concerned it was not fighting corruption.

During an interview, Tapper asked Lankford if he agreed that Trump’s primary concern in holding up military assistance to Ukraine was because he sincerely wanted to root out corruption in the country rather than urge it to investigate his political opponents.

“Yes, I do actually think he’s concerned about corruption and the people of Ukraine,” the senator replied.

However, Lankford was totally unprepared for the obvious followup question that came next.

“Can you give me one more example, one other example of anywhere where President Trump has ever expressed concern about corruption?” he asked. “Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel — is there any example you can point to where President Trump expressed any concern about corruption?”

“Sure I can, if you want me to send you a long list…” Lankford began.

“Just give me a couple examples,” Tapper pressed.

“You’re trying to put me on the spot to be able to talk about international world policy!” a defensive Lankford shot back.


Sycophants and traitors, each and every one of them.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 05:33 PM

Poor Kellyanne Con-way isn't having any fun at all.

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While White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham refuses to hold press briefings, senior counselor Kellyanne Conway has been willing to talk to the press. That is unless the press asks questions she doesn’t want to answer.

Such was the case Friday when Conway came to the briefing room to answer questions by reporters. When CNN’s Jim Acosta asked if the White House was holding back evidence on Ukraine, Conway was annoyed. She started to lecture Acosta.

Playboy reporter Brian Karem backed up Acosta.

“It’s a simple question,” he said.

Conway stormed out.


She's not the only one to run away.

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Conway isn’t the first one who has run from answering such a question. When confronted by CNN Thursday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) refused to answer if he agreed Trump’s call with Ukraine was “perfect” and agreed with his conduct. Cruz went to another reporter who asked the same question. Cruz similarly stormed off.
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Last week, when CNN’s Manu Raju asked Sen. Martha McSally (R-AZ) if she would consider the trove of documents released by Rudy Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas, it didn’t go well. Instead of having a rational conversation about facts and information, McSally snapped at the reporter and refused to speak to him, calling him a “liberal hack.” When she was questioned about her response, she told the world that she was a victim of the press and started fundraising off of it and selling T-shirts about it.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 05:37 PM

Moscow Mitch has ensured that his bitches Senators are on a short leash.

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“There are only seven truly vulnerable Republican senators: Susan Collins of Maine, Cory Gardner of Colorado, Martha McSally of Arizona, Joni Ernst of Iowa, Thom Tillis of North Carolina, and the two Georgia senators, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, both of whom are running (Loeffler was appointed to fill the seat of Johnny Isakson, who retired last year),” he wrote.

Focusing on Gardner he wrote, “Here’s Gardner’s problem, the same one faced by other senators from swing states. If he goes along with McConnell and votes to refuse any more evidence to be admitted, Democrats will rightly charge him with complicity in not only covering up Trump’s misdeeds but in validating those misdeeds themselves, confirming that there’s nothing wrong with the president coercing a foreign government to help his reelection campaign. That will alienate Democratic voters. But if Gardner votes to allow new evidence, Republicans will call him a traitor.”

“Those are his only choices. There isn’t some clever way to satisfy everyone. Given how McConnell has constructed this trial — and how Trump has built his whole presidency — you’re either with Trump or you’re against him,” he adds before knocking down the notion of sympathetic — and dependable — swing voter.


Just for good measure Trump publicly threatened them. Nope, nothing impeachable to see here folks. It's fascist jury tampering at its worst.

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The news was so shocking some thought it was fake. But as CBS News reports, the White House is threatening Republican Senators to not vote to convict President Donald Trump in his impeachment trial, or else.

That “or else” was revealed by CBS News’ Chief Congressional Correspondent Nancy Cordes, who reports, “One Trump confidant tells CBS News that GOP senators have been warned: ‘Vote against the president and your head will be on a pike.'”

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Posted 26 January 2020 - 08:57 PM

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-ARen't You Ready to Retire Yet?) states the obvious; calling out lies is a "Democratic talking point."

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Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) dismissed the criticism President Trump’s lawyers received for floating Ukraine conspiracy theories during the Senate impeachment trial as a “Democratic talking point” in an interview on CBS Sunday morning.

When asked by CBS’ Margaret Brennan on whether he thinks it was a “misstep” for Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow to float the conspiracy theory that Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election on the Senate floor, Cotton replied “that’s not a conspiracy theory.’

Brennan then pointed out that Sen. John Thune (R-ND) — one of Cotton’s Republican colleagues — said that he’d prefer for Trump’s lawyers to not spread Ukraine conspiracy theories during the trial, which Cotton dismissed as “a Democratic talking point.”

After Brennan pointed out to Cotton again that Thune is a Republican leader who takes issue with Ukraine conspiracy theories being mentioned on the Senate floor, Cotton doubled down that the criticism is a “Democratic talking point.”

“It’s the Democratic talking point that the President and his lawyers have argued that it was Ukraine who interfered in our elections, not Russia,” Cotton said. “You can read the President’s brief. They make it very clear that, yes, you can accept that Russia interfered in a systematic, organized top-down fashion in our election.”

While mentioning that he’s been “part of the Intelligence Committee that’s been investigating it for years,” Cotton added that “you can also say that it’s clear some Ukrainian officials tried to influence the outcome of the election in 2016” and that “both of those things can be true.”

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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 10:27 AM

As predicted shortly after he was fired John Bolton waited until the best/worst possible moment to f*** Trump. Trump is used to dealing with not too bright toadies he can bully and browbeat. Although Bolton is the worst kind of bully with a serious mental illness he is smart and he isn't remotely afraid of Trump. Trump is, of course, screeching like a child but that just makes him look even weaker. In terms of a political dick measuring contest Trump just came up way short.

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On early Monday morning, President Donald Trump denied former National Security Adviser John Bolton’s allegation that he directly connected aid to Ukraine to his push for Ukrainian officials to help his efforts to have Joe Biden investigated.

According to an unpublished manuscript of Bolton’s upcoming book obtained by the New York Times, Trump told Bolton last August that he would not release the $391 million in military aid to Ukraine until Ukrainian government officials had given him, in the Times’ words, “all materials they had about the Russia investigation that related to” Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Trump vehemently denied Bolton’s account after the Times published its report.

“I NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens,” Trump tweeted shortly after midnight. “In fact, he never complained about this at the time of his very public termination. If John Bolton said this, it was only to sell a book.”

Trump claimed the White House’s memo of his call with Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky in July is “all the proof that is needed.”

Bolton also wrote in the manuscript that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo privately admitted Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s smears of former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch were groundless.

Pompeo also believed Giuliani’s mudslinging was for the benefit of his clients, according to the ex-national security adviser.

Additionally, Bolton alleged that acting White House Chief of Staff Mulvaney was present during at least one of Trump’s calls with Giuliani in which they discussed Yovanovitch, according to the Times.

Bolton said in early January that he would agree to testify in the Senate impeachment trial of Trump if he were subpoenaed. However, Senate Republicans have rejected Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) efforts to include new witnesses and documents in the trial, which began last week.

Schumer seized on the Times’ report, emphasizing the importance of having Bolton and other top administration officials testify.

“John Bolton has the evidence,” Schumer tweeted on Sunday evening. “It’s up to four Senate Republicans to ensure that John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney, and the others with direct knowledge of President Trump’s actions testify in the Senate trial.”

The House impeachment managers and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said Bolton’s account “confirms what we already know.”


Josh Marshall calls Bolton's dropping this for personal gain "a disgrace." I call it "well, duh." I never had any delusion that Bolton contained a patriotic bone in his body.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 10:30 AM

Looks like denialism just got a little harder for some (but I seriously doubt most) Senate Republicans.

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Republican senators, who have refused to allow witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial of President Donald Trump thus far, are reportedly shaken in their resolve after the New York Times published claims from an unpublished manuscript of Bolton’s book, which contains explosive accounts of Trump’s direct involvement in the Ukraine scheme.

Politico reported on Monday morning that its Republican sources believe the situation may have shifted following Bolton’s allegation that Trump told him $391 million in military aid to Ukraine was incumbent upon Ukraine’s assistance with his desired investigation into 2020 candidate Joe Biden.

The sources told Politico that Republican senators will plan its next move during its conference lunch on Monday.

Unnamed GOP sources also told Axios that there’s a possibility four Republican senators may break from the Senate GOP caucus’ stonewalling of witnesses in the trial in wake of the manuscript. Democrats need four GOP defections to successfully bring in crucial witnesses, such as Bolton.

If I had to bet $20 on this I'd place it on "not gonna' happen."


American patriot Adam Schiff calls it like it is.

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“At the end of the day, Alisyn, this the test for these senators,” Schiff told CNN’s “New Day” anchor Alisyn Camerota. “They’ve taken an oath to be impartial. They’ve just learned there’s a key witness going to the heart of the allegations.”

“The question they have to answer is: Do they want to hear the truth? Do they want to cross-examination John Bolton?” the Democratic lawmaker continued.

Schiff said that he and the rest of the Democrats will push Republicans to allow testimony from Bolton, who has offered to testify in the Senate impeachment trial if the chamber issued a subpoena.

“And I think all the senators are now really hard-pressed to turn him away,” the impeachment manager added.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 11:48 AM

TDB has these two headlines behind the paywall but they often open them up days later when they're a bit dated. Anyway I thought the subject lines were interesting.

The GOP Isn’t Exonerating Trump—It’s Indicting Itself

There’s No Defending Donald Trump. That’s Why His Lawyers Want to Put Joe and Hunter Biden on Trial Instead.
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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 12:27 PM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 10:27 AM, said:

As predicted shortly after he was fired John Bolton waited until the best/worst possible moment to f*** Trump. Trump is used to dealing with not too bright toadies he can bully and browbeat. Although Bolton is the worst kind of bully with a serious mental illness he is smart and he isn't remotely afraid of Trump. Trump is, of course, screeching like a child but that just makes him look even weaker. In terms of a political dick measuring contest Trump just came up way short.




Josh Marshall calls Bolton's dropping this for personal gain "a disgrace." I call it "well, duh." I never had any delusion that Bolton contained a patriotic bone in his body.
I never thought I would like Bolton but - shit I still don't like him, but I love the way these douche bags are pulling each other to pieces. Bolton is the unsavory piece of shite that Bush the dumber made ambassador to the UN to show his total contempt for that organisation as he and his coalition of catamites (I cannot think of a more derogatory term) prepared to make war with Iraq, effectively ending the rules era. He is also the guy that threatened to have the family of the head of the OPCW killed unless he resigned so he could replace him with his stooge, the one who promptly recalled the weapons WMD inspectors. To quote Jose Badstani "He came to my office and said: 'You have to resign and I give you 24 hours, this is what we want. You have to leave, you have to resign from your organization, director-general.'" Bustani said he "owed nothing" to the US, pointing out that he was appointed by all OPCW member states. Bolton said: "OK, so there will be retaliation. Prepare to accept the consequences. We know where your kids are."

Of course Bastani could be lying. Now piece of shit Bolton is Trumps enemy. Good.

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 05:26 PM

How could GOP Senators be shocked by Bolton's maneuver? Either they're stupid as f***, they studiously ignored all the evidence, or they're play acting for their constituents. Or all 3.

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Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) said that “at this stage it’s pretty fair to say that John Bolton has a relevant testimony,” while Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) added that “reports about John Bolton’s book strengthen the case for witnesses.”

Other, unnamed GOP senators claimed to have been “blindsided” by Bolton’s testimony, and reportedly called the White House in a fury, demanding to know why they hadn’t been appraised of what the former national security advisor had to say beforehand.

But here’s the problem: we’ve known for a long, long time that Bolton was an important witness with extremely relevant testimony, thanks to the testimony of his aides and numerous documents created over the summer.

And the specific revelation that Bolton was present as Trump tied Ukraine aid to his demand makes great copy for the back-flap of an aspiring political bestseller, but it didn’t come out of the blue: House Democrats invited Bolton to testify on precisely that issue in November, and Republican senators have been commenting on his absence from the trial for weeks.

But that hasn’t stopped them from proclaiming shock.

House Democrats asked Bolton to testify on Nov. 7.

Their request came after a slew of Bolton aides testified that the mustachioed hawk had been present at various points where the hold on military aid to Ukraine was discussed.

His aides — including NSC Russia staffer Fiona Hill — had also testified that Bolton raised alarms about and even tried to stop the pressure campaign from going forward, making his testimony potentially important to the inquiry.

But Bolton’s testimony was only ever important, and never vital, precisely because so many people around him and so many documents supported the conclusion that President Trump had personally led the scheme to withhold military aid in exchange for Ukraine announcing investigations.


The Bolton Bombshell implicates Barr. I hope Adam Schiff starts the investigations into Barr's (alleged) lies as soon as the impeachment hearing is over. Tie those corrupt bastards into investigative knots until November.

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Things just got stickier for Attorney General William Barr.

Former National Security Adviser John Bolton’s book manuscript appears to contradict Justice Department assertions about how and when Barr first learned that President Donald Trump mentioned him on a now-infamous phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

The New York Times first reported on Bolton’s book Sunday, including the startling new claim that Bolton told Barr that Trump had mentioned him during the call. During the conversation, Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate Trump’s political rivals and told him, “I will tell Rudy [Giuliani] and Attorney General Barr to call.”

According to statements by the Justice Department and previous reporting from the New York Times, Barr only found out about the call in mid-August, when a CIA officer’s whistleblower’s complaint about it reached the Justice Department for a potential criminal referral.

But Bolton’s assertion contradicts that timeline.

Bolton reportedly claims in his book that he raised concerns about Rudy Giuliani’s shadow foreign policy with Barr after the President’s July phone call, and that he told Barr Trump had mentioned him on the call. On Monday, the Times reporter Michael Schmidt — one of the reporters who broke the news about Bolton’s book — described Bolton as telling Barr about the call “right after” it occurred.

That directly conflicts with what the Justice Department has said about Barr’s knowledge of the call. A Barr spokesperson denied to the Times that he learned about the call from Bolton.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 05:58 PM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 05:26 PM, said:

Their request came after a slew of Bolton aides testified that the mustachioed hawk had been present at various points...



Digression: there should be a picture of a mustachioed hawk in The Bird Thread!
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 06:01 PM

Here's Five Thirty Eight on how impeachment and removing Trump from office poll. Of course there's a huge partisan divide but generally the impeach/remove position seems to be more popular. Independents seem to be less supportive than 50/50 yet overall support is higher. Are a lot of these "independents" just embarrassed Republicans?
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 06:02 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 27 January 2020 - 05:58 PM, said:

Digression: there should be a picture of a mustachioed hawk in The Bird Thread!

Here's a Moustached Hawk-Cuckoo which could be even more appropriate.

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 27 January 2020 - 10:06 PM

Jim Wright said:

Seriously, Republicans? You're really going to let John Bolton be the hero here. Out of all of you, Bolton? Really, Bolton. John Bolton? That guy. The guy who wanted more war, more dead Americans, THAT guy. The warmonger. The fanatic. The ultimate insider. John Bolton. HE's going to be the ONLY Republican to step forward and do right by America? REALLY? John Bolton?

What? He's just doing it to promote his book?

Okay, and...?

Hello? AND?!

Yeah, that's what I thought. Nothing. So, it's going to be Bolton who's the hero. John Bolton. Fuck me. That's the worst self-condemnation of the Republican Party I've ever heard.

Bolton. Jesus, Republicans. Do better.

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 08:24 AM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 05:26 PM, said:

Other, unnamed GOP senators claimed to have been “blindsided” by Bolton’s testimony, and reportedly called the White House in a fury, demanding to know why they hadn’t been appraised of what the former national security advisor had to say beforehand.

I refuse to believe that they are really this stupid. Are they smelling a change in the wind?
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Posted 28 January 2020 - 08:26 AM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 06:01 PM, said:

Are a lot of these "independents" just embarrassed Republicans?

By the way elections break, it's been that way for a long time.

IMHO open primaries have not been good for the USA.
The way a lot of catastrophes happen is that X doesn't occur because there are safeguards in place, therefore people assume X isn't a worry and they remove the safeguards. Then X happens.
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"Robots aren't the problem. Capitalism is." -- Last words of Stephen Hawking.
These days, "libertarian" is just a euphemism for a Nazi who's afraid to commit.
"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." -- Heather Heyer
"I'd rather have my child, but by golly, if I gotta give her up, we're gonna make it count." -- Her mother
"Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events." -- some RINO

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 08:36 AM

View PostLFC, on 27 January 2020 - 11:48 AM, said:

TDB has these two headlines behind the paywall but they often open them up days later when they're a bit dated. Anyway I thought the subject lines were interesting.

The GOP Isn’t Exonerating Trump—It’s Indicting Itself

Link works, but the essay is also an in-your-face indictment of Murc's Law.
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"Robots aren't the problem. Capitalism is." -- Last words of Stephen Hawking.
These days, "libertarian" is just a euphemism for a Nazi who's afraid to commit.
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"I'd rather have my child, but by golly, if I gotta give her up, we're gonna make it count." -- Her mother
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Posted 28 January 2020 - 11:16 AM

Morning Joe uncorks hilarious rant against ‘confederacy of dunces’ defending Trump from impeachment


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— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


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Posted 28 January 2020 - 12:05 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 27 January 2020 - 05:58 PM, said:

Digression: there should be a picture of a mustachioed hawk in The Bird Thread!

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