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#1561 Probabilistic

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 11:51 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 10 December 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

Yeah well Mr Comey your victory dance is not well earned. You're the one who told the world about Clinton emails on Weiner's laptop before your people actually looked at them. And you're the one who didn't tell the world about opening an investigation on Russian meddling before the election. (though that's on the whole intelligence community and Obama too).

Comey's vindication is well earned. To be called a traitor, to undergo daily vilification, to be subjected to physical threats, to hear threats of being frog-marched to prison must be deeply unsettling when you haven't done anything wrong. The truth is every bit of it was made up and served with a great degree of malice and hatred.

Remember the context. When the investigation in to Hillary Clinton's emails was reopened in October 2016, FBI New York office was leaking to Rudy Giuliani. Rudy already knew. He was on TV talking about upcoming disclosures. It was imminent. Comey's decision to publicly announce the reopening of the email investigation was likely a mistake, however not a case of malfeasance. In his mind, he was trying to control the narrative and fulfill his undertaking to Congress to let them know if new evidence came forth. Still, I doubt there was compelling public interest for disclosure, especially given the imminence of the election.

None of that is the case for Durham. There is no discernible public interest for disclosure of the disagreement at this time. Moreover, Durham said he advised the IG of his findings. Which means, the IG took in to account Durham's arguments and evidence and determined those didn't amount to much. It didn't affect the Horowitz's determinations at all.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:00 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 10 December 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

Bottom line, Mr. Comey - you are responsible for cursing the world with Donald Trump, POTUS.

Are you willing to absolve the American electorate of their responsibility of voting Donald Trump to power?! People knew who and what they were voting for, and now rejoice in the destruction and chaos they have unleashed. America not only willingly elected Trump, they have more so willingly sustained him in power.

I vehemently disagree with you on where the responsibility lies.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:11 PM

One doesn't have to absolve the American electorate of its responsibility to allow Comey to have his fair share.
The electorate hasn't sustained Trump in power. The constitution has. According to polls, he seems to have the support of about 40% of the electorate.
Furthermore, the electorate didn't put Trump in power; the electoral college did.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:23 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 10 December 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

Are you willing to absolve the American electorate of their responsibility of voting Donald Trump to power?! People knew who and what they were voting for, and now rejoice in the destruction and chaos they have unleashed. America not only willingly elected Trump, they have more so willingly sustained him in power.

I vehemently disagree with you on where the responsibility lies.

The responsibility lies heavy on those who voted for Trump. It lies even heavier, in my view, on large segments of the media. Les "It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS" Moonves only vocalized what everyone who profited off what they saw as clickbait gold was thinking while giving him free billions in publicity. And certainly there are plenty of individuals at whom we could point the shaming finger, albeit unfairly in many cases. Anthony Weiner is a schmuck, but he could never have guessed his dick pics would lead to this.

But, in fact, very few are those people who can honestly say they did absolutely everything within their power to avert this national tragedy disguised as a farce. I know I didn't take Trump seriously enough. I could have done more. We are all--or most of us, anyway--guilty in some measure.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:30 PM

The Dems announced two articles of impeachment; abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Both are staggeringly well supported IMHO.

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House Democrats on Tuesday announced just two articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump, accusing him of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress over his Ukraine pressure campaign.

The articles did not appear to impeach the President for anything in Robert Mueller’s report, which presented evidence that Trump had obstructed the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The written articles against Trump said only that his Ukraine conduct was “consistent” with his previous invitations of foreign interference, as well as his previous efforts to undermine investigations into foreign interference.

In a press conference Tuesday with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) announcing the articles of impeachment, Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said Trump had violated his oath of office.

“Our President holds the ultimate public trust,” Nadler said. “When he betrays that trust and puts himself before country, he endangers the constitution, he endangers our democracy, and he endangers our national security.”

Trump has sought to obtain personal benefit using his public office, Nadler said, referring to the pressure Trump and others under his direction put on Ukraine to investigate Democrats.

“And when he was caught, when the House investigated and opened an impeachment inquiry, President Trump engaged in unprecedented, categorical and indiscriminate defiance of the impeachment inquiry,” Nadler said.

Pelosi and Nadler were joined by House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA), Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Eliot Engel (D-NY), Oversight Committee Chair Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), Finance Committee Chair Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Ways and Means Committee Chair Richard Neal (D-MA).

The Democrats did not take questions at Tuesday’s announcement. Nadler said the Judiciary Committee would consider the articles “later this week.”

Schiff, whose led the impeachment inquiry before passing it to Nadler’s panel, said “the evidence of the President’s misconduct is overwhelming and uncontested,” pointing to Trump’s own words on a July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian President.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:38 PM

Trump is freaking out as expected. He really didn't believe it would happen. Mulvaney publicly licks Trump's taint. Same old, same old.

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President Trump and acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney jumped at the chance to disparage House Democrats’ announcement Tuesday of two articles of impeachment.

In a series of tweets posted within minutes of the announcement, Trump took aim at House Judiciary Chair Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) and House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA). The President also reprised his argument from last week that when he said in his now-infamous call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that “I would like you to do US a favor,” the word “us” referred to the United States.

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Nadler just said that I “pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Election.” Ridiculous, and he knows that is not true. Both the President & Foreign Minister of Ukraine said, many times, that there “WAS NO PRESSURE.” Nadler and the Dems know this, but refuse to acknowledge!


WITCH HUNT!


Shifty Schiff, a totally corrupt politician, made up a horrible and fraudulent statement, read it to Congress, and said those words came from me. He got caught, was very embarrassed, yet nothing happened to him for committing this fraud. He’ll eventually have to answer for this!


Read the Transcripts! “us” is a reference to USA, not me!


Trump’s tweets came on the heels of Mulvaney’s live question-and-answer session with the Wall Street Journal Tuesday morning. Mulvaney called the articles “very specific” and that “they should surprise nobody” because “that’s what this was going to be from the beginning anyway.”

The embattled acting chief of staff then argued that impeachment “is a political process, not a legal process” nor is it “judicial.”

However, when asked whether he would be open to testifying in the impeachment proceedings, Mulvaney responded that “part of me really wants to” but that it depends on what Trump “wants us to do,” according to CNN.


You gotta' love that is only took them 5 months to come up with the excuse of "us" meaning the U.S. and not Trump because, after all, a bogus investigation into something already investigated against Trump's top political rival is what the U.S. needs.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:40 PM

View PostJackD, on 10 December 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

One doesn't have to absolve the American electorate of its responsibility to allow Comey to have his fair share.
The electorate hasn't sustained Trump in power. The constitution has. According to polls, he seems to have the support of about 40% of the electorate.
Furthermore, the electorate didn't put Trump in power; the electoral college did.

Comey didn't curse the world with Donald Trump.

The electorate has sustained Trump in power. Enough of the people have encouraged Trump's conduct by sticking with him steadfastly in the face of wholesale eradication of truth and decency. If they thought they were hoodwinked by Trump, or disgusted by increasingly dangerous behavior, or simply thought they made the wrong decision based on Comey's reopening of the email investigation, would they have continued to rejoice with Trump?

Do you think the Republican Senators and Congressmen would have behaved in the same manner had they been held accountable by the electorate? Even between elections, voices of protest matter.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:40 PM

TPM lines up the most vomit inducing "defenses" from the American traitor party a.k.a. the Republicans, the Guardians Of Putin. Here's the first one.

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Biden Did The Actual Quid Pro Quo

In perhaps the purest form of the diversion strategy, several committee Republicans claimed that the real quid pro quo happened when then-Vice President Joe Biden conditioned U.S. loan guarantees on the removal of a corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor. Never mind that Biden was pursuing stated U.S. policy.

“You’re investigating the wrong guy,” Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH) said, twice.

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) posited that if Biden were elected President in 2020, Republicans could just slot his name into the same impeachment “forms” Democrats are now using to impeach Trump.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:41 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 10 December 2019 - 12:40 PM, said:

Do you think the Republican Senators and Congressmen would have behaved in the same manner had they been held accountable by the electorate? Even between elections, voices of protest matter.

To be fair in 2018 they kinda' were held accountable. The ones dug in like ticks now are mostly from safe states and districts.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 02:33 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 10 December 2019 - 12:40 PM, said:

Comey didn't curse the world with Donald Trump….

Do you think the Republican Senators and Congressmen would have behaved in the same manner had they been held accountable by the electorate? Even between elections, voices of protest matter.

All due respect to the whole comment, the elected GOPers, are in fact, being held accountable by the electorate. For the most part, they just want a win against the Dems. Because it is an ignorant electorate (mostly) they continue to vote against their own interest just to win.

Sure. A note of protest is heard here or there- few and far between. It is, of course, in response to a wake up call. A father in Texas who realizes that living in a state that refused to extend medicaid finds himself with heaping medical bills. Go Fund me- waaa. I'm a good Republican. A few suburban Southern educated women who wake up to find the destruction they helped bring forth. I'll never do it again- I'm a good Republican. Those sweeties will leave it blank, rather than vote against their Daddys' party.But play like they did the right thing.

Bubbles on both sides are very dangerous. Shortly before the 2016 election, I met a woman on a plane. Total liberal from CA, highly educated, newly minted in Austin for a nice big general counsel job. We had a spirited debate about a range of election issues, most of which we ultimately agreed on. But she simply refused even the notion that Trump would win. I patiently laid out my argument for our sick electorate (and the electoral college) how we couldn't get complacent if we cared she had a little smile and was obviously far away. As we deplaned, she did every thing but pat my hand to reassure me that Trump would never win.

She had just spent a month in South Carolina and another in Tennessee, coming home to TX. Couldn't have been bothered to look around, listen. Should she have chosen, she would ha ve seen the coming shitstorm. Instead, she stayed within her bubble. My guess is that she was either incredulous or very, very angry at the results. Something tells me though, that she sees herself as blameless as the rest of bubble dwellers.
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Posted 10 December 2019 - 04:09 PM

Larison calls the case for impeachment "overwhelming."

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he House Judiciary Committee has released the two articles of impeachment that it has drawn up against the president. The two articles cover only the president’s abuses of power to solicit favors for his personal benefit and his obstruction of Congress in order to conceal those abuses. The first article of impeachment concludes by saying:

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Wherefore President Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. President Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

The case for Trump’s impeachment seemed quite strong more than two months ago, and the evidence provided to the House’s impeachment inquiry has strengthened it further. The president’s abuse of power is not in dispute. It is clear that he used the powers of his office in an attempt to extract a corrupt favor for his personal benefit, and this is precisely the sort of offense that impeachment was designed to keep in check. It doesn’t matter if the attempt succeeded. All that matters is that the attempt was made. It is also undeniable that he has sought to impede the investigation into his misconduct. The president has committed the offenses he is accused of committing, and the House should approve both articles of impeachment.

The president doesn’t have a credible line of defense left. That is why his apologists in Congress and elsewhere have been reduced to making increasingly absurd and desperate claims. The president’s defenders want to distract attention from the fact that the president abused his power, violated the public’s trust, and broke his oath of office, but these distractions are irrelevant.

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 04:26 PM

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I vehemently disagree with you on where the responsibility lies.
The outcome of elections obviously involve many elements, not just one. But Comey was indeed a big factor that influenced the election.

A few that come to mind are Bernie and his Bros who wanted to burn it down. Smell the smoke yet SusieQ?
The idiot evangelicals who are incapable of rational thinking.
Fox and Rush and the MAGAts and the racists...

There are many others of course, but most likely the close election would have gone the other way if just one of the above had been less prominent. James Comey would have been the easiest - if it had not happened.
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Posted 10 December 2019 - 04:55 PM

Trump wants a f***ing circus in the Senate as he tries to spin his impeachment trial to help him in the election. Literally everything Trump does has one of 3 purposes; stroke his ego, fill his wallet, and/or help him win the election. It explains every move he makes.

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President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) reportedly cannot get on the same page regarding how to approach the Senate impeachment trial.

According to a CNN report Tuesday, one source said that while McConnell favors getting the Senate trial over with as soon as possible and even floating a 10-day minimum during talks, Trump is on the opposite page.

Two sources told CNN that Trump has privately made clear to advisers that he prefers a dramatic event rather than ending the trial swiftly because he believes it’s his best chance at hurting Democrats in the 2020 election.

CNN reported that Trump wants Hunter Biden, House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) and the whistleblower — whose complaint sparked the impeachment inquiry and still remains anonymous despite efforts by Trump and his allies to expose their identity — to testify on the Senate floor in-person, rather than via taped depositions.

One Republican senator told CNN that within the past month, several Republican senators warned White House counsel Pat Cipollone not to “turn the Senate into a circus.” Another source told CNN that Cipollone and Trump share the same opinion on how the trial should be handled.

CNN’s Tuesday report highlights the ongoing dizzying back-and-forth between the White House and Trump’s allies when it comes to approaching the Senate trial.


Hey! Moscow Mitch! Why the F*** are you talking the guy getting impeached in the first place? Can you be any more inappropriate and partisan? It's "almost" like you already know it's a sham trial and now you're just reaching for the best possible spin.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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