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Posted 08 April 2019 - 12:18 PM

The Office of the Special Counsel is looking into sliminess concerning Trump and the Saudi nuclear deal.

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One of the government’s top investigative agencies has looked at allegations of potential wrongdoing by individuals in the Trump administration about their planning of a nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia, according to two individuals with knowledge of the probe.

The line of inquiry is part of a broader investigation in the Office of the Special Counsel—an independent federal investigative and prosecutorial agency—into alleged politically motivated personnel decisions at government offices.

The OSC, which can seek corrective and disciplinary action, is looking at whether officials were retaliated against for raising concerns about the administration’s work related to a Saudi nuclear deal. As part of that investigation, OSC has also reviewed allegations about potentially improper dealings by senior members of the Trump administration in their attempt to map out a nuclear deal with Riyadh, according to two sources with knowledge of OSC’s work.

The details of the OSC probe, previously unreported, are the first indication that a government body other than Congress is investigating matters related to a potential nuclear deal between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. OSC declined to comment on the record for this story.

Meanwhile, there is a growing concern among lawmakers on Capitol Hill about U.S.-Saudi relations, especially following the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi. Those concerns were heightened by a report issued by Rep. Elijah Cummings in February that outlined allegations about efforts inside the White House to rush the transfer of highly sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia—a potential violation of the Atomic Energy Act and without review by Congress.

The Cummings report said IP3—a firm that includes former top military officers, diplomats, and energy experts—had developed a proposal for Saudi Arabia that was simply “a scheme for these generals to make some money.” That report said former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn had ties to the firm during his time working in the Trump administration.

Sources with direct knowledge of the IP3 plans today say the firm is focused on providing security for nuclear-related projects and in finding ways to compete with Russia and China to secure those projects throughout the Middle East.

In the wake of the Cummings announcement, The Daily Beast reported that U.S. companies and officials in the administration were moving forward in their conversations with Riyadh about a nuclear deal and the transfer of nuclear technology.


I wonder how long the House of Saud will be able to keep the crazies bottled up once they have access to nuclear material. And I wonder how long the religious crazies in Saudi Arabia are going to stay away from Israel.
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Posted 08 April 2019 - 12:36 PM

And the religious or otherwise crazies in Israel staying away from Iran. Of course their preference is for us to do it.

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:30 AM

Russia, China, and now the U.S. are all rushing to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. Our world is f***ed.

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In the race to supply nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, U.S. companies are playing catch-up.

Executives in the industry and American officials told The Daily Beast that despite the Trump administration pushing for a deal with Riyadh, the U.S. nuclear energy sector is behind its competitors, notably Russia and China, when it comes to developing and exporting technology for major international projects.

To get ahead, U.S. companies are mulling over whether to turn a consortium of companies—which some have dubbed “Team USA”—into one that includes foreigners, namely state-run energy firms from South Korea, in an attempt to strengthen its bid in Saudi Arabia.

If the plan comes to fruition, experts say it could offer U.S. companies a greater chance of securing contracts in Saudi Arabia and beating out Russia and China—one of the administration's main economic goals. But the possibility of such a deal has raised concerns among officials in the Trump administration that it may also limit the U.S. government’s ability to ensure Saudi Arabia adheres to certain nuclear safeguards.

The Trump administration, whose officials have publicly said they are pushing Saudi Arabia to commit to the highest standards of inspection and verification—also known as the “gold standard”—have raised the question of whether the partnership with South Korea might help American companies clinch a deal without the U.S. signing a formal cooperation deal with Saudi known as a “123 Agreement.”

The U.S. Atomic Energy Act requires the U.S. sign the 123 Agreement with countries it plans to cooperate with on nuclear energy and sets forth conditions and controls to govern nuclear commercial transactions.


That's great but remember that Trump is pushing for LESS regulation on the nuclear industry. How quickly would that roll over to his friends who are going to help him build a big, fat hotel after he's out of office?
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:47 AM

Well, that'll discourage the Iranians from working on a weapon.

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 01:31 PM

View PostJackD, on 15 April 2019 - 09:47 AM, said:

Well, that'll discourage the Iranians from working on a weapon.

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 02:11 PM

Rhetorical question? No, snark.

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 05:51 PM

If only the Dear Leader could get away with the kind of rule his friends provide

Wait until after he's re-elected in 2020
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 05:10 PM

The Saudis purchased another Republican.

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A senior Republican congressman urged fellow lawmakers to continue supporting the Saudi Arabia-led war in Yemen, by reading a Saudi lobbyist’s talking points verbatim.

Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA), who chaired the House Foreign Relations Committee from 2013 until earlier this year, made speech in November 2017 warning that Iran could gain a foothold in the Arabian Gulf nation through Houthi rebels, reported The Intercept.

“Part of the problem here is the leaders of the Houthi militia were indoctrinated in Qom, in Iran, as part of an Iranian attempt to construct a Hezbollah-like proxy in Yemen,” Royce said.

That controversial line, like most of his speech, had been written by a lobbyist for Saudi Arabia.

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 08:27 AM

Two Saudi oil tankers were attacked as well as several UAE cargo ships. This sounds like Bolton's perfect excuse for war even though there's absolutely no reasonable "use case" for Iran to be behind these attacks.

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Saudi Arabia said on Monday that two of its oil tankers had been sabotaged off the coast of the United Arab Emirates, in attacks it described as posing a threat to the security of global oil supplies.

Tensions have risen in the oil-rich region in recent weeks amid the deployment of a growing number of United States military assets to the Middle East due to deteriorating relations with Iran.

On Thursday, the US Maritime Administration issued an advisory warning that "Iran or its proxies" could be targeting commercial vessels and oil production infrastructure in the region.

One of the two Saudi vessels was on its way to be loaded with Saudi crude oil from the port of Ras Tanura, to be delivered to customers in the US, Saudi Arabia's state-run Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported Monday.

While the agency didn't mention casualties or oil spills, it did say there had been "significant damage to the structures of the two vessels."

On Sunday, the UAE said that four commercial cargo ships were targeted by "sabotage operations" off its eastern coast. The apparent sabotage took place near to UAE territorial waters in the Gulf of Oman, east of the emirate of Fujairah, the country's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation said.

It is unclear if the ships mentioned by Saudi Arabia and the UAE are part of the same incident.

The UAE ministry did not elaborate on the nature of the alleged sabotage, or offer any indication as to who might be responsible, including whether it was carried out by individuals or a larger group or country.

The UAE ministry said authorities were working with local and international bodies to investigate the incident, which it described as a "dangerous development." It said there were no injuries or deaths.

"The international community (needs to) assume its responsibilities to prevent any parties trying to undermine the security and safety of maritime traffic," the ministry said.

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Seyyed Abbas Mousavi said on Monday that the incidents were "alarming and regrettable," and requested further information on the alleged sabotage.

The Iran spokesman warned against "plots by ill-wishers to disrupt regional security" and called for "vigilance of regional states in the face of any adventurism by foreign elements."

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 05:24 PM

Who cares about a f***ing dead tortured journalist when there's money to be made!

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The Trump administration approved the transfer of nuclear expertise to Saudi Arabia just two weeks after Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) revealed Tuesday.

Kaine, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement that the administration’s first nuclear technical expertise transfer approval occurred on Dec. 13, 2017, one of seven such approvals. Notably, two occurred after Khashoggi’s death: One on October 18, 2018, “16 days after Khashoggi’s murder,” Kaine noted, and another on Feb. 18, 2019.

Kaine’s office said that he’d “repeatedly” asked the Department of Energy for information on the administration’s apporovals of nuclear expertise transfers to Saudi Arabia, but that the department only responded after “an explicit directive” from Committee Chairman James Risch (R-ID).

“I have serious questions about whether any decisions on nuclear transfers were made based on the Trump family’s financial ties rather than the interests of the American people,” Kaine said in his statement, adding that the nuclear expertise transfers approved after Khashogghi’s murder “add[] to a disturbing pattern of behavior”:

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“that includes citing a bogus emergency to bypass a Congressional block on arms sales to the Saudis, continuing support for the disastrous war in Yemen over Congressional objections, turning a blind eye to the regime’s detention of women’s rights activists, and refusing to comply with the Global Magnitsky Act to reach a determination about the Saudi government’s responsibility for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.”


Khashoggi’s death was the catalyst for a sea change in Congress regarding relations with Saudi Arabia. In March this year, President Donald Trump issued his second veto after both congressional chambers passed a measure to end American involvement in the Saudi-led war in Yemen.

In February, the Trump administration refused to meet a deadline put forth by a bipartisan group of senators under the Global Magnitsky Act. The deadline required the administration to determine whether the administration believed Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman was involved with Khashoggi’s murder.

Last month, citing the “fundamental threat” posed by Iranian “malign activity,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo informed Congress that the administration was bypassing congressional review for billions in arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 01:27 PM

Larison lays out the utter failure of the attempted blockage of Qatar by Saudi Arabia and the UAE. And through it all they played Trump like the chump that he is, likely just dangling a big real estate deal in front of his nose to make him dance like a poodle looking for a treat.

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The Saudis and the UAE, together with Egypt and Bahrain, attempted to intimidate and coerce Qatar into abandoning its relatively independent foreign policy and curtailing its activities in the region that displeased them. The total failure to force Qatar to make any concessions provides more evidence that “maximum pressure” campaigns combined with maximalist, unreasonable demands cannot achieve any of their goals. When a state sees its own sovereignty and independence threatened by hostile foreign powers, its natural response is usually to defy its attackers and look for support from elsewhere. The lesson for the Trump administration’s own misguided, destructive “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran is only too obvious.

As Cristol says, the blockade has backfired about as badly as a policy can. The Saudi-led bloc considered Qatar to be too friendly with Iran and Turkey, but in squeezing the emirate they pushed them deeper into the embrace of both. Iran has been happy to take advantage of yet another Saudi/Emirati blunder by providing supplies to replenish Qatari stores and airspace to allow air travel and cargo deliveries to continue without interruption. Turkey has strengthened its ties with Qatar, and at the outset of the crisis sent troops. The blockade has not been without its costs and disruptions, but Qatar has found alternatives that have allowed it to sustain itself and even to flourish.

The Qatar crisis stemmed from longstanding disagreements between Qatar and its neighbors, but it took place when it did as a result of Trump’s clueless support in the wake of his embarrassing visit to Riyadh in May 2017. The administration has backed away from the president’s initial enthusiastic cheerleading for the blockade over the last two years, but the Saudis and Emiratis can still rely on the White House to back them. That was the first time that the president proved to be an exceptionally easy mark for the Saudi and Emirati governments, and it wouldn’t be the last. We have seen it happen again and again as the president has echoed their talking points on Yemen, backed their war despite broad Congressional opposition, thrown his support behind their proxy in Libya, and abused his power to expedite arms sales to them. The president has consistently sided with these governments over the last two years, and every single time he has done so he has been wrong and it has put the interests of despotic clients ahead of the interests of the United States.

The blockade of Qatar also reconfirmed that Mohammed bin Salman had become a reckless regional menace together with his counterpart from Abu Dhabi, Mohamed bin Zayed. Not only have the Saudis and Emiratis been devastating and starving Yemen, but they have been sowing instability and threatening their other neighbors. Like the failed war on Yemen, the failed blockade of Qatar has shown the crown prince to be both thuggish and inept, and our government’s support for both has been harmful to the region and to U.S. interests.

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 02:14 PM

As is always the case when Trump is involved, things are worse than they first appeared.

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The New York Times reports that Trump’s bogus arms sales “emergency” is even more of a giveaway to Saudi Arabia than we suspected:

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When the Trump administration declared an emergency last month and fast-tracked the sale of more American arms to Saudi Arabia, it did more than anger members of Congress who opposed the sale on humanitarian grounds.

It also raised concerns that the Saudis could gain access to technology that would let them produce their own versions of American precision-guided bombs — weapons they have used in strikes on civilians since they began fighting a war in Yemen four years ago.

The emergency authorization allows Raytheon Company, a top American defense firm, to team with the Saudis to build high-tech bomb parts in Saudi Arabia. That provision, which has not been previously reported, is part of a broad package of information the administration released this week to Congress.

The move grants Raytheon and the Saudis sweeping permission to begin assembling the control systems, guidance electronics and circuit cards that are essential to the company’s Paveway smart bombs. The United States has closely guarded such technology for national security reasons [bold mine-DL].

The president has abused his power to expedite these arms sales, and in this case he is also giving away technology to the Saudis that will enable them to build more of the weapons they have used to slaughter thousands of Yemeni civilians. The Trump administration is apparently so desperate to cater to the Saudi government that it is willing to give them things that our government usually doesn’t share. Jarrett Blanc comments on the report:

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Proliferation of sensitive production technologies to poorly controlling clients is a terrible idea. We should be working diplomatically to get Iran to do _less_ of this sort of nonsense, not doing more of it ourselves. So of course, current management… https://t.co/jAJcFuerRY

— Jarrett Blanc (@JarrettBlanc) June 7, 2019


Arming the war criminals in Riyadh is shameful, circumventing Congress to do it over their objections is obnoxious, and handing the Saudis U.S. technology is irresponsible. This move also makes a mockery of the president’s lame job creation justification for selling so many weapons to the Saudis:

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 05:15 PM

Even elite status Trumpsucker Little Lindsey Graham has a limit. Well, in rhetoric anyway. We'll see how he votes ... IF it's allowed to get to a vote (doubtful).

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), one of President Donald Trump’s staunchest allies in Congress, supports taking away some of Trump’s emergency powers in the wake of the administration’s arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

In May, the Trump administration claimed that the “fundamental threat” posed by Iran allowed officials to bypass congressional review of a $8.1 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia.

“Do away with the emergency exception,” Graham told the Washington Post on Wednesday. “I would not have agreed to that before, but after this maneuver by the administration, count me in.”

Before claiming the emergency exception, Trump had vetoed Congress’ bipartisan resolution to stop supporting Saudi Arabia’s military campaign in Yemen, a campaign that’s caused a humanitarian crisis in the region.

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 12:44 PM

The UAE has had enough of Saudi stupidity in Yemen.

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The United Arab Emirates (UAE) may have finally learned what Washington will not: that armed interventions with ambiguous aims, unreliable allies, and no exit strategy are doomed to disaster.

Such interventions will rapidly deplete a nation of its blood and treasure while yielding an abundance of dangerous second- and third-order consequences. That’s why, after four years of fighting, the UAE announced that it is withdrawing a significant percentage of its forces from Yemen. It will now pursue a “peace first” strategy as opposed to a “military first” strategy.

The narrative around the UAE’s withdrawal from Yemen has been carefully managed in the American media with the help of some sympathetic Washington-based think-tanks. The shift in policy has been cast as a “mission accomplished” moment for the UAE. But the UAE is getting out of Yemen not because it is winning—or has won—but because the country’s leadership understands they cannot win.

“Little Sparta,” as former secretary of defense James Mattis referred to the UAE, possesses a military that is significantly more competent and capable than that of its main ally in Yemen, Saudi Arabia. However, the UAE and its proxies have failed to defeat Yemen’s Houthi rebels, and while they’ve made some gains against Yemen’s al-Qaeda franchise, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), these will prove fleeting. Such failures come despite the fact that the UAE has spent tens of billions of dollars in Yemen arming and training various militias and security forces.

While the primary reason for this shift is the UAE’s recognition of the futility involved, there were additional reasons for the change. The UAE’s armed forces are small and dependent on mercenaries for everything from ground troops to general officers. The country’s involvement in the war has strained its armed forces and has left it with little spare capacity to deal with a potential conflict with Iran, which provides limited—but important—aid to the Houthis.

Additionally, the war in Yemen has cost the UAE billions of dollars at a time when its own economy is slowing. The UAE has also become sensitive to international condemnation of the war in Yemen, which is currently home to the world’s worst humanitarian crisis. It has also recognized that Saudi Arabia has become more of a liability than a partner.

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 09:05 AM

The Saudis get hit back and hard over their war on Yemen, not that they haven't deserved a hard punch in the nose for a long time for a lot of deeds. The Houthi Rebels are taking responsibility, Pompeo is immediately blaming Iran (because of course he is), and basically the Middle East is still a cluster-f***.

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Drone attacks have set alight two major oil facilities run by the state-owned company Aramco in Saudi Arabia, state media say.

Footage showed a huge blaze at Abqaiq, site of Aramco's largest oil processing plant, while a second drone attack started fires in the Khurais oilfield.

The fires are now under control at both facilities, state media said.

A spokesman for the Iran-aligned Houthi group in Yemen said it had deployed 10 drones in the attacks.

The military spokesman, Yahya Sarea, told al-Masirah TV, which is owned by the Houthi movement and is based in Beirut, that further attacks could be expected in the future.

He said Saturday's attack was one of the biggest operations the Houthi forces had undertaken inside Saudi Arabia and was carried out in "co-operation with the honourable people inside the kingdom".

Saudi Arabia is said to be shutting down around half of its oil output, the Wall Street Journal reports.

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 11:21 AM

Trump is waiting for the Saudis to tell him whether the U.S. should go to war with Iran or not. OK, maybe a bit of an overstatement but not really all that much. Our nation's foreign policy is under the control of Russia, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. What could go wrong?

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The president announced tonight that he is waiting for instructions from the Saudis on what U.S. foreign policy should be:

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Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 15, 2019

We have seen many times over the last two years how the president has been eager to do the Saudi government’s bidding and to help them cover up their crimes. Now he is giving them an opportunity to drag the U.S. into a war with Iran. Even if we were all confident that the president and his officials weren’t deceiving us about who the “culprit” was, that doesn’t mean that military action would be appropriate or legal. This should be an occasion to realize how dangerous the crisis has become and to find some way to deescalate tensions with Iran. It absolutely should not be used as a pretext for starting a war. It is a testament to the president’s own belligerence that we may once again be on the cusp of an avoidable war with Iran over something that has nothing to do with U.S. security.


The Saudis have been wanting the U.S. to spend its blood and treasure to attack Iran, their main regional rival in a centuries old power and religious struggle. This is a perfect example of why getting our nation off of oil is in our nation's best security interests. Let them kill each other but don't drag our troops and waste our taxpayer dollars into this mess which is none of our business.
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Posted 16 September 2019 - 12:20 PM

Have crude oil prices gone up yet?

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 12:45 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 16 September 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

Have crude oil prices gone up yet?

Yes. Per the news this AM oil was already up $5/barrel. Gas is expected to follow very soon.

EDIT: A quick look an an index I found today at 2:00 PM EDT shows that oil on 9/13 closed at $54.85. As of now it's $62.60.
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Posted 17 September 2019 - 01:45 PM

Donald Trump, Mike Pompeo, and Brian Hooks are vile, disgusting people. Comparing the 9/11 terrorist attacks by Saudis (and supported at least in part by Saudi royalty) to a retaliatory act of war on an oil refinery is just shitting on the graves of everybody who died in or because of 9/11. These assholes wouldn't know what decency or shame were if they bit them in the ass.

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A top State Department official told Congress Monday evening that the Saudis view the massive attack on their oil infrastructure as their 9/11, according to two congressional sources.

After a national security meeting this morning, President Donald Trump told reporters that it was “looking” like the attack over the weekend emanated from Iran but that the U.S. would wait for Saudi Arabia to conduct an investigation into the strikes.

Brian Hook, the Trump administration’s special representative for Iran, made the 9/11 comparison during a telephone briefing on Capitol Hill about the administration’s latest thinking on the attack. Hook communicated the reaction from Riyadh and said Secretary of State Mike Pompeo would be headed to the country soon. Several individuals on the call said Hook’s update was thin, but the administration had made available to lawmakers intelligence about the attack that they could review under a classified setting.

CNN first tweeted that Hook told congressional staffers that the Saudis view this as “their 9/11.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 05:48 PM

Their 9/11? According to this Wall Street Journal article oil production is set to return to normal by the end of the month.

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Saudi Arabia will soon restore most of its oil output and fully recover within weeks, the country’s oil ministry said Tuesday, seeking to calm global markets reeling from twin attacks on its largest oil facilities.

Newly appointed Energy Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman said the kingdom is already supplying oil to its customers at pre-attack levels and that normal production levels will return by the end of September. It has restored 50% of production lost in Saturday’s attacks, Prince Abdulaziz said.






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