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#61 AnBr

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 11:29 PM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 19 February 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

Almost to a man Congress is broken. Expecting Congress pass laws to limit Congress is like giving a fox control of the hen house.

Careful about the false equivalencies. http://politicsthatw.../voting-record/
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Posted 20 February 2019 - 01:33 AM

View PostAnBr, on 19 February 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

Careful about the false equivalencies. http://politicsthatw.../voting-record/
I looked at the chart and it shows an impressive voting record for the democrats. I happen to like it too. That is because I like the democrats. It is good to know the democratic representatives voted this way. If that is your point then I take it and agree. End of story.

The understanding is that the headings in the list define universal truths and are a measure of what is right.

Now I am not saying that I agree morally on these counts but what if I drew another chart that included say, the rights of 4 week old fetuses, protecting the wealth of the rich, enforcing democracy worldwide, building up the army and the MIC, protecting Israel, clamping down on the BDS movement, slapping Russia with sanctions. clamping down on minorities, limiting health care, limiting benefits, lowering taxes : you get the idea. The GOP would score well on those issues.

So there is a bit more to it than that chart. It was devised by a democrat with a sense of moral right. My morals, I would say. It might not appeal to certain white skinned folks with the illusion that skin defines them, or the upper 10% who do not want to pay taxes.
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Posted 20 February 2019 - 10:22 AM

This is puzzling to me, congress passes laws to limit congress all the time. From ethics rules to document retention laws.. congress has made being in congress kind of a pain in the ass.
If there is anything that doesn't want to limit congress or the executive branch it is the courts! Bribery has been made essentially legal by the courts against the stated intent of the laws passed to prevent bribery!
And I mean, the stuff the Trump admin is going here is illegal precisely because laws were passed to make it illegal..
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Posted 01 March 2019 - 07:15 PM

OK, on the one hand this is a story in the Daily Mail. On the other hand the people denying the story are the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner.

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EXCLUSIVE: Saudi crown prince bragged that Jared Kushner gave him CIA intelligence about other Saudis saying 'here are your enemies' days before 'corruption crackdown' which led to torture and death
  • Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman met with Jared Kushner in October
  • Salman has since bragged about using classified intelligence from Kushner as part of a crackdown on 'corrupt' princes and businessmen in Saudi Arabia
  • He said the intelligence from Kushner included information on those who were disloyal to Salman and who were his 'enemies', insiders tell DailyMail
  • Kushner's attorney's spokesman said it was 'false' that the president's son-in-law passed on secrets and that he was 'well aware of the rules'
  • The crown prince launched his crackdown on corruption in November, days after he met Kushner for talks in Riyadh
  • Hundreds were rounded up, including princes from rival parts of the Saudi royal family and some of the country's wealthiest businessmen
  • But the crackdown saw accusations of torture and at least one reported death

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 03:38 PM

The Trump administration continues to run interference for Saudi Arabia.

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Senators left a closed-door briefing with Trump administration officials Monday deeply frustrated by the lack of new information on the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, with some raising the prospect of placing new sanctions on the government of Saudi Arabia.

Lawmakers had instructed President Donald Trump to order an investigation into Khashoggi’s killing by invoking the Global Magnitsky Act. The request was made in October, which gave the president 120 days to respond. But the White House declined to submit a report by the deadline, angering members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez, the top Democrat on the panel, called the briefing “a farce” and said Trump still needs to give Congress an answer.

“The law’s very clear, there needed to be a determination,” Menendez said.

Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut said the briefing Monday contained “zero” new information. He criticized the lack of an intelligence official among the briefers, a move he described as “purposeful.”

“They don’t want us to have a conversation about the intelligence,” he said, referring to the White House. “These folks had no new information and were not permitted to give us any new information.”

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 04:09 PM

View PostLFC, on 01 March 2019 - 07:15 PM, said:

OK, on the one hand this is a story in the Daily Mail. On the other hand the people denying the story are the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner.

There's some very good people on both sides!
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Posted 05 March 2019 - 06:08 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 05 March 2019 - 04:09 PM, said:

There's some very good people on both sides!
No there are not! The one side is The Enemy Of The People.

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 08:34 PM

Are you calling him a d!ckhead?
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:50 AM

View PostAnBr, on 05 March 2019 - 08:34 PM, said:

Are you calling him a d!ckhead?

"Hi, I'm Richard Head but all my friends call me Dick."
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:04 AM

This reminds me of a guy on my dorm room floor freshman year whose name was Richard Lust. He had a sense of humor about it which I guess is necessary. True story.

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 11:41 AM

Nothing shady going on here with the boy blunder who couldn't pass a background check. I guess it's tough to get bribed when pesky government employees are hanging around.

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Officials and staffers in the U.S. embassy in Riyadh said they were not read in on the details of Jared Kushner’s trip to Saudi Arabia or the meetings he held with members of the country’s royal court last week, according to three sources with knowledge of the trip. And that’s causing concern not only in the embassy but also among members of Congress.

On his trip to the Middle East, Kushner stopped in Riyadh. While there, he met with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and King Salman to discuss U.S.-Saudi cooperation, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and economic investment in the region, according to the White House.

But no one from the embassy in Riyadh was in the meetings, according to those same sources. The State Department did have a senior official in attendance, but he was not part of the State Department team in Saudi. He is a senior member of the department focused on Iran, according to a source with direct knowledge of the official’s presence in Riyadh.

“The Royal Court was handling the entire schedule,” one congressional source told The Daily Beast, adding that officials in the U.S. embassy in Riyadh had insight into where Kushner was when in Saudi Arabia. “But that is normal for his past trips.”

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 12:21 PM

View PostLFC, on 07 March 2019 - 11:41 AM, said:

Nothing shady going on here with the boy blunder who couldn't pass a background check. I guess it's tough to get bribed when pesky government employees are hanging around.

Why is it possible for the relevant embassy to be completely excluded from a conversation between Kushner and the head of state? Is there some sort of enforcement mechanism for making sons-in-law of president follow the rules the rest of us mere mortals must follow?

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 12:37 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 07 March 2019 - 12:21 PM, said:

Is there some sort of enforcement mechanism for making sons-in-law of president follow the rules the rest of us mere mortals must follow?
Impeachment. It's the normal (and for the most part ONLY) remedy that the framers built for dealing with a corrupt executive branch.
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Posted 27 March 2019 - 12:45 PM

The Trump administration has granted authorization to U.S. companies to start nuclear work for Saudi Arabia. A nuclear capable Wahhabist ruled nation. What could possibly go wrong? I guess violating our international treaty wasn't enough of a push to get Iran to seek out their own nuclear capabilities. This should help. How long before Russia steps in and volunteers to sell it to them?

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The U.S. Department of Energy has approved six authorizations for U.S. companies seeking to conduct nuclear related work in Saudi Arabia, according to two sources with knowledge of those approvals.

Federal law stipulates that companies obtain clearance from the U.S. government for exporting nuclear technology to or engaging in the production or development of special nuclear material in Saudi Arabia.

The authorizations—known as Part 810s, referring to a clause in federal regulations —allow U.S. companies to divulge specific details about plans for working in Saudi Arabia and certain information about the nuclear technology. For example, a company would need a Part 810 to transfer physical documents, electronic media or the “transfer of knowledge and expertise” to Saudi Arabia, according to the Department of Energy.

It’s been unclear to what extent the U.S. government, and U.S. companies, have communicated with Riyadh about nuclear energy, especially in the wake of the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and amid claims by Democrats on the Hill that individuals in the national security community attempted to discuss a nuclear deal with Riyadh without going through the proper regulatory approval process.

The DOE authorizations, previously unreported, indicate that U.S. companies are indeed moving ahead in their plans to engage with Saudi Arabia on nuclear technology and nuclear energy development. The companies began seeking contact with Riyadh in November 2017.

It’s unclear which U.S. companies have obtained authorizations. The Department of Energy has not responded to a Daily Beast Freedom of Information Act request. However, a congressional source said U.S. companies have the option of requesting their authorizations remain private and do not land in the department’s public reading room. The companies that received the Part 810s under the Trump administration have made such a request, according to that source.

IP3, a firm connected to a pack of former generals, was mentioned in a recent report by the House Oversight Committee. That report said IP3 had developed a proposal for Saudi Arabia that was “not a business plan” but rather “a scheme for these generals to make some money.” That report said Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn had ties to the firm during his time working in the Trump administration.


Michael Flynn. Yeah, that's just great.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 27 March 2019 - 01:51 PM

View PostLFC, on 27 March 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

The Trump administration has granted authorization to U.S. companies to start nuclear work for Saudi Arabia. A nuclear capable Wahhabist ruled nation. What could possibly go wrong? I guess violating our international treaty wasn't enough of a push to get Iran to seek out their own nuclear capabilities. This should help. How long before Russia steps in and volunteers to sell it to them?




Michael Flynn. Yeah, that's just great.

It's nice to have friends in high places. I wonder if Flynn is wanting to spill his guts to somebody about this to reduce his sentence.

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 03:36 PM

Larison sums up Pompeo on Saudi Arabia.

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The reality is that the Saudi coalition’s airstrikes are responsible for most of the civilian deaths that have occurred in Yemen, and they bear the largest share of responsibility for creating the humanitarian crisis that threatens the lives of 15 million people. As the principal supporter of the Saudi coalition’s war effort, the U.S. shares in this responsibility, and that is probably why Pompeo is so determined to cover it up. The crown prince is the architect of the war, and attacking Yemen is his signature policy. No one can honestly deny Mohammed bin Salman’s responsibility and that of the Saudi government for their crimes in Yemen, but Pompeo is making a career out of doing just that.


A complete and total disregard for human life, at least human life that provides them no benefit. America's march towards fascism continues.
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Posted 03 April 2019 - 12:18 PM

Here we go! And Trump (and Jared) are helping them along. I fear a nuclear Saudi Arabia more than I fear a nuclear Iran. They have a much worse record when it comes to Western terrorism.

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Saudi Arabia’s first nuclear site is close to completion, according to Google Earth images of the site cited Wednesday by Bloomberg News. The move has concerned international experts, who say that the kingdom has not yet signed on to international protocols that would ensure the facility is not used for military purposes. “There’s a very high probability these images show the country’s first nuclear facility,” Robert Kelley, the former head of the U.S. Department of Energy’s remote sensing laboratory, told Bloomberg. “It means that Saudi Arabia has to get its safeguards in order.” It’s not yet clear what kind of monitoring standards the nation will implement—but just last year, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman announced that the country would work to develop a nuclear weapon if its rival, Iran, did the same.

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Posted 05 April 2019 - 11:58 AM

Our friends, oppressors of women.

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Saudi Arabia has detained two dual U.S.-Saudi citizens in a new round of arrests apparently targeting women’s rights activists, The Guardian reports. In total, eight people are reported to have been detained and they include some with ties to more prominent activists who have previously been jailed. It’s believed to be the first round of arrests targeting people who are critical of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman since the murder of writer Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. The arrested individuals are believed to be writers and advocates who supported social reforms. Most reportedly had ties to a group of women’s rights activists currently on trial. The two U.S.-Saudi nationals have been named as writer and physician Badr al-Ibrahim and Salah al-Haidar, whose mom is the women’s rights activist Aziza al-Yousef. Al-Haidar has a family home in Vienna, Virginia. Nearly all of those detained on Thursday were taken from their homes in the capital, Riyadh.

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"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 05 April 2019 - 12:29 PM

View PostLFC, on 05 April 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

Our friends, oppressors of women.
Since 9/11, I've said to everyone that the Saudi's are more the enemies of freedom and democracy than any other non-western nation, with the possible exception of Pakistan, which the Saudi's corrupted with madrassas. They had the Bush family in their pocket, much like the Russians have Dumpster. The fact that every plane was grounded in the US except for a plane to spirit away the extended Saud family shows more than anything how W was corrupted by Saudi money.
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Posted 07 April 2019 - 12:58 PM

Saudi Arabia has their nuclear pedal to the metal. Great job, Trump.

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New satellite imagery of a building site for a nuclear power plant outside Riyadh has sparked consternation from the United States. The construction on an experimental reactor “is making expeditious progress” after Saudi Arabia’s plan to build it was announced, according to former director for nuclear inspections at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Robert Kelley, speaking to CNN. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had earlier expressed concern about the kingdom becoming a nuclear power. “We will not permit that to happen,” Pompeo told CBS. “We will not permit that to happen anywhere in the world. The President understands the threat of proliferation. We will never write a $150 million check to the Saudis and hand them over the capacity to threaten Israel and the United States with nuclear weapons, never.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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