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#81 George Rowell

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 11:52 AM

View PostJackD, on 29 September 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

"That will do for a start." Do you think corporate America will sign on to eliminating its China market, and if it doesn't, do you think Republicans would go ahead with the program anyway? I understand that I asked if it was feasible, not if it was likely. I'm changing the question.
Yes.

The weakness of the American system is its political funding. But it is not all bad, when someone loses someone else gains and funding can come from new sources. It cannot be done overnight but most things on that list could be started today. People that matter, the wealthy backers, must be made to realize this is for real,It is war.

No political party is ever allowed to get a dominant position. As soon as one gets too far ahead extra funding goes to the one behind. In this way the ruling party is kept firmly in the grip of these wealthy backers. A study on who assert control on government found that Lobbyists exerted most control, followed by the super rich and lastly large corporations, with organized labor having no influence at all.

Corporate America is powerful but not all powerful. There must also be propaganda to keep the rubes in line as well, but that is just too easy.

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:34 PM

Perhaps but those wealthy backers make a lot of money from the Chinese markets and most get their wealth through corporate business activity.
Agricultural interests, for example, are already squealing about the effect of Chinese retaliatory actions. Like physical war, economic war can do an awful lot of damage enroute to problematic results.

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 08:28 PM

View PostJackD, on 29 September 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

Perhaps but those wealthy backers make a lot of money from the Chinese markets and most get their wealth through corporate business activity.
Agricultural interests, for example, are already squealing about the effect of Chinese retaliatory actions. Like physical war, economic war can do an awful lot of damage enroute to problematic results.

The billionaires and politicians below are not dumb. They see their way of life threatened and I hope they act accordingly. They plan what you do and think, though I cannot be sure of that - it is secret after all but they do not meet for fun.

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 08:42 PM

"Bilderberg": that's a conspiracy theory I looked at per an in law's request a few years ago and rejected. You're entitled to your opinion of course.

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 09:32 PM

View PostJackD, on 29 September 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

"Bilderberg": that's a conspiracy theory I looked at per an in law's request a few years ago and rejected. You're entitled to your opinion of course.

The last time it was held in Canada and it was in all the news. I do not believe in conspiracies but if the maths probability allows it will happen. It always does.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:32 AM

Them: Adventures with Extremists by Jon Ronson talks about Bilderberg and other groups.

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 07:44 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 30 September 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Them: Adventures with Extremists by Jon Ronson talks about Bilderberg and other groups.
Looks like a well written book. I like one of the reviews that called Ronson sly, avoiding the obvious path to make a point.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:58 AM

THIS IS HUGE.

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In 2015, Amazon.com Inc. began quietly evaluating a startup called Elemental Technologies, a potential acquisition to help with a major expansion of its streaming video service, known today as Amazon Prime Video. Based in Portland, Ore., Elemental made software for compressing massive video files and formatting them for different devices. Its technology had helped stream the Olympic Games online, communicate with the International Space Station, and funnel drone footage to the Central Intelligence Agency. Elemental’s national security contracts weren’t the main reason for the proposed acquisition, but they fit nicely with Amazon’s government businesses, such as the highly secure cloud that Amazon Web Services (AWS) was building for the CIA.


To help with due diligence, AWS, which was overseeing the prospective acquisition, hired a third-party company to scrutinize Elemental’s security, according to one person familiar with the process. The first pass uncovered troubling issues, prompting AWS to take a closer look at Elemental’s main product: the expensive servers that customers installed in their networks to handle the video compression. These servers were assembled for Elemental by Super Micro Computer Inc., a San Jose-based company (commonly known as Supermicro) that’s also one of the world’s biggest suppliers of server motherboards, the fiberglass-mounted clusters of chips and capacitors that act as the neurons of data centers large and small. In late spring of 2015, Elemental’s staff boxed up several servers and sent them to Ontario, Canada, for the third-party security company to test, the person says.



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Nested on the servers’ motherboards, the testers found a tiny microchip, not much bigger than a grain of rice, that wasn’t part of the boards’ original design. Amazon reported the discovery to U.S. authorities, sending a shudder through the intelligence community. Elemental’s servers could be found in Department of Defense data centers, the CIA’s drone operations, and the onboard networks of Navy warships. And Elemental was just one of hundreds of Supermicro customers.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:15 AM

View PostTraveler, on 04 October 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:


Your link is for a Kavanaugh article. Do you have the correct one?
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:45 AM

View PostLFC, on 04 October 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Your link is for a Kavanaugh article. Do you have the correct one?
done. this is a real eye opener. You wonder how much misinformation was sent back to the PLA.
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 08:33 AM

I would love to think that this was a set up by the CIA. The CIA do intercept hard disc drives in the post and put firmware in the drive where no anti-virus can check, so why not server boards? BUT, the latest server PCBs have sliver thin chips inserted between the layers of the glass fiber boards. For those non technical, most computer PCBs do not have two layers, top and bottom, they can have up to 16 layers and these are etched, drilled and glued together at the PCB plant. It was at this stage that the latest spy chips were inserted. This is a highly disruptive procedure as you can imagine. It means taking part made PCBs from the PCB production line and probably ultrasonically attaching gold or platitinum leads direct to a substrate and to the copper tracking before replacing the board to be glued to the other layers. Somebody is going to notice.
Now it is possible that at the assembly plant in China the CIA had an employee who substituted some un-stuffed PCBs made in the States with those locally made. it is possible.
I note that the company resides in California although the two founders are Chinese business men and one of them the CEO, a Mr Liang.

BTW that little chip shown on that finger is not an IC, looks like a ceramic resonator probably made by Murata
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 08:39 AM

View PostTraveler, on 26 July 2018 - 08:17 AM, said:

Bloomberg has been publishing a raft of stories on China the past weeks. This is a pretty good one.


Likely wishful thinking.
Absa bloody lutely!
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 09:54 AM

View PostLLEWOP, on 06 October 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

BTW that little chip shown on that finger is not an IC, looks like a ceramic resonator probably made by Murata

FYI this was in a diagram in the article. Apparently they disguised the chip.

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A Chinese military unit designed and manufactured microchips as small asa sharpened pencil tip. Some of the chips were built to look like signal conditioning couplers, and they incorporated memory, networking capability, and sufficient processing power for an attack.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 07:41 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 October 2018 - 09:54 AM, said:

FYI this was in a diagram in the article. Apparently they disguised the chip.
Resonator and filters look and act the same. Inside there are typically tiny tuning forks. Break off the tuning fork and it becomes an empty ceramic box, ideal place to hide an IC. I am amazed they ever discovered it. But a filter or resonator on a control or data line will look a bit out of place.

I engage in PCB spoofing myself to protect my products. I encrypt some of my PCBs with internally hidden copper areas of different sizes between the layers. Their capacity is measured using an OPA input. From 10 tiny areas I get a resolution of 3 bits each giving me 30 bits. This Key I use to de-crypt 50 address vectors. If someone copies the top and bottom layers and copies my firmware too it will still be utterly useless. I also lay inductors in the tracking of internal PCB layers to make copying difficult. Just 0.5uH but really vital in my RF generators. The beauty is it does not cost anything. In others I use lithium battery backed ram areas in ARM chips to hold address vectors.

If I did not there would be counterfeits within the first year of production. Guess where I am selling my product? The fact that I have had one line going for 5 years without a single fake appearing on-line means I must be doing something right.
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 08:01 PM

That is brilliant. If I could understand it all. But I know enough to realize that is pretty elegant too.
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 11:19 PM

Here is a brilliant article about the spy chips. The way in which the companies written statements and the reports have been parsed is very professional.

https://www.theregis...oomberg/?page=3
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Posted 07 October 2018 - 10:09 AM

The comments are even more instructive, getting the opinions of folks that would really seem to know
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Posted 07 October 2018 - 11:35 PM

View PostTraveler, on 04 August 2018 - 12:14 PM, said:

Good one Prob!
The participants in TRS would clearly like a better world. I would too, but how can we change anything? As a newbie I am reluctant to start a new thread, but I would dearly like to hear peoples ideas because I am sinking into apathy. How about a new topic 'How we change the World - suggestions for an incremental path based on logic'?
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 08:26 AM

Powell, may I call you by your Bloomberg handle?

Nobody here has any special dispensation. Go for it.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 08:39 AM

Agreed. Go for it.
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