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#161 George Rowell

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 07:48 PM

Demographics coming to a head. China's population to peak in 2029
https://www.theaustr...88025bbc49ab628
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 01:07 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 07 January 2019 - 07:48 PM, said:

Demographics coming to a head. China's population to peak in 2029
https://www.theaustr...88025bbc49ab628

LOL!
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 03:05 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 08 January 2019 - 01:07 AM, said:

LOL!

Not so fast. We've got troubles of our own. We'll be laughing the other side of our faces by-and-by.🙄🤔
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 07:53 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 05 November 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Yet important events do get reported even if they make a few lines at the bottom of Yahoo.

Al Jazeera is part of my normal news feed. WRT events in the ME I don't trust them, but elsewhere they're pretty good.

Long ago when trying to compare products from Company A and Company B, I solved the problem of their (honest answers to biased questions) benchmarking by seeing what Company C had to say in three-ways. Company C naturally came out on top, but the relative results for A and B was fairly good. Likewise B vs. C using A's benchmarks and A vs. C using B's benchmarks.

For the same reason, I watch Deutsche Welle rather carefully as well. Not much bias there where US immigration is concerned, for instance.
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 07:58 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 08 January 2019 - 03:05 AM, said:

Not so fast. We've got troubles of our own. We'll be laughing the other side of our faces by-and-by.

Both Europe and the USA have been NPG for a long time barring immigration.

Naturally, that's why the Geezer Generation are turning so strongly against immigrants, right?
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 09:22 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 08 January 2019 - 07:53 AM, said:

Al Jazeera is part of my normal news feed. WRT events in the ME I don't trust them, but elsewhere they're pretty good.

Long ago when trying to compare products from Company A and Company B, I solved the problem of their (honest answers to biased questions) benchmarking by seeing what Company C had to say in three-ways. Company C naturally came out on top, but the relative results for A and B was fairly good. Likewise B vs. C using A's benchmarks and A vs. C using B's benchmarks.

For the same reason, I watch Deutsche Welle rather carefully as well. Not much bias there where US immigration is concerned, for instance.
Frankly Germans do not seem as dumb as westerners and they demand more from their news media so I am not surprised you go to Deutsch Welle News. I have experimented with France24, ABCnews, RT, Sputnik, The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Diplomat, NYT, WP, Daily Mail, CNN, NBC and Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera are hopelessly biased for the ME, as you say, but they do do decent reporting for other regions. Before Reuters were bought out by the Thompson group they were petty factual too.

There has been a tendency for The Telegraph and The Guardian to write hit pieces, I feel so disappointed that I want to drop them as a source, but then they print an article that is well balanced and well researched and I relent.
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 10:17 AM

I like Bloomberg. WaPo is pretty good, and while NYT is very comprehensive, they have dropped the ball too often. I like SCMP for China, slanted as it may be.
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 04:35 AM

From the SCMP

https://twitter.com/...6003457/photo/1

1 Do not sign anything. - Sure, it is all in Chinese anyway.
2 Do not give up your passport. - Oh boy that is good. They will take it from you anyway if you have it on you.
3 Ask to talk to your consulate. - Good luck with that for the first few days.
4 Be cautious of lengthy interrogation - Like your heart is not beating at 120 and your mouth is not bone dry with anxiety and you are not on an adrenaline rush anyway. Sure you will be cautious.
5 Do not use wechat. Good idea, everything on wechat is stored by the government even if you delete it.
6 Do not make political statements. - I doubt they will care a hoot unless people start listening.
7 There is no right to a telephone call in China - Like there is in the UK, yeh.


It has been my experience that peoples rights can disappear when they go inside a police station, maybe anywhere, especially if they are young, (black?) and they do not drive a Benz. I was falsely arrested, imprisoned (for a short period of time), threatened and allowed no call. Just being the way I am I was so pissed I sued the chief constable of Kent, Barry Pain, made my case before the law society in Brighton for trial/award by jury and eventually won my case. You cannot imagine the barriers that were thrown up to prevent that. And all that in Blighty. So Good Luck trying to get smart in China.
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 09:26 AM

Looks Like OBOR is getting a dirty reputation.

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Is China’s Belt and Road Initiative a bold infrastructure vision, or a slush fund? The question is becoming more pressing.

Chinese officials offered to help bail out state-owned 1Malaysia Development Bhd., kill off investigations into alleged corruption at the fund, and spy on journalists looking into it in exchange for stakes in Belt-and-Road railway and pipeline projects in Malaysia, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. If proven, that would offer the clearest link yet between the 1MDB scandal and Belt and Road, which is still seen by many as a more effective rival to multilateral investors such as the currently leaderless World Bank and Asian Development Bank. China has denied that money in the program was used to help bail out 1MDB.

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:11 AM

View PostTraveler, on 10 January 2019 - 09:26 AM, said:

Slush funds, debt traps and barely concealed bribery. Xing hui, Shuo hui, right on target.
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 12:48 PM

Translate please? Meanwhile back on the OBOR, Zambia is walking the CCP internet plank. And now it looks like the backdoor suspicions are also growing.
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 02:38 PM

View PostTraveler, on 10 January 2019 - 12:48 PM, said:

Xing hui, shuo hui - bribery and setting up bribes. Remember ZTE had a fully staffed 'Department of Bribery'. Almost certainly still has, just reshuffled a bit. China is still dependent on the US for chips so it is time to play hard ball. That window will not last long. Sure there will be pain for us too. China will be very difficult to dislodge from Africa : I would say impossible, they are just too good at what they do. There will already be so many dependencies and so much corruption.
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:17 AM

Thanks. Agree about cutting off chip supply. Use that as the enforcement hammer to the proposed deal that will only look good on paper. Intel wont be happy, but have to use what leverage we still have. And this actually boosts the fabs long term by delaying competition. Fancy a MNC having a long term strategy.

Meanwhile, another Chinese got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
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Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:34 AM

No gain without pain. That is why I want to see trump do it ASAP, before he gets the boot.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:00 AM

Faces without hope. No crime committed. Up to 1,000,000 in internment.

https://www.theguard...as-war-on-islam

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 12:49 AM

Old Chinese saying, 'Kill a chicken scare the monkeys'. With the retrial and sentencing to death of Robert Schellenberg, China is beginning to treat the World like it's own citizens. At first I did not understand the calculation because it will unite the west around their leaders, but it looks like China believes the World is so intertwined that we now have to accept their brutal antics. My contacts on wechat are abuzz and incredulous. Chinese intellectuals are saying the calculus can only be that China is now ready to force their conditions on the World. In my previous post I pointed to the hopeless plight of up to 1,000,000 Xinjiang citizens in 're-education' prison. They do not care any more, our policies have created a monster.

https://www.nytimes....rg-retrial.html

I am sad to say that the voices of my Chinese colleagues are tinged with pride too. Their view is that the west has long subjugated China and there is ample resentment. The new tone is disconcerting.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 01:31 PM

Pretty good summary of why we are going after China. Section 301 is a pretty powerful hammer. Much more so than the tariffs. At least Lightizer is focusing on the real issues. That said, prognosis don't look good. Folks cannot testify for fear of the CCP.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 01:53 PM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 15 January 2019 - 12:49 AM, said:


https://www.nytimes....rg-retrial.html

I am sad to say that the voices of my Chinese colleagues are tinged with pride too. Their view is that the west has long subjugated China and there is ample resentment. The new tone is disconcerting.

Too many people (US in the fore) have NO IDEA China was divided by European countries into Zones and occupied. This is not easily forgotten in the East.

You can see today. China responds very forcefully and clearly if they think their sovereignty is being encroached upon.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 03:29 PM

Since when has any foreigner encroached? Japanese occupation ended over 70 years ago, and they weren't Europeans. The Opium wars were almost two centuries ago. I mean, what the fuck? Who has been invading lately?
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 03:32 PM

More on how the WTO is so poorly set up that it is failing its mission. And here is the EU's official stance.

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The existence of agreed rules on cross border trade, monitored by the WTO and enforced through an impartial system for resolving disputes helped for decades to defuse trade tensions and avert trade wars. However, the development of new rules on trade has not happened in sync with economic, political and technological changes. In particular, market-distorting subsidies, often channelled through state-owned enterprises are not adequately captured under current international trade rules, eroding the level playing field for economic operators.
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