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#181 D. C. Sessions

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 04:48 PM

View PostTraveler, on 15 January 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

Since when has any foreigner encroached? Japanese occupation ended over 70 years ago, and they weren't Europeans. The Opium wars were almost two centuries ago. I mean, what the fuck? Who has been invading lately?

And your point is? There are families in the Balkans that have been feuding since the Holy Roman Empire was founded. That's a mayfly memory compared to China.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 05:46 PM

View PostTraveler, on 15 January 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

Since when has any foreigner encroached? Japanese occupation ended over 70 years ago, and they weren't Europeans. The Opium wars were almost two centuries ago. I mean, what the fuck? Who has been invading lately?
The Boxer rebellion is and the Boxers themselves are a key part of the modern narrative of Chinese history promoted by the current government, they're movement was a forerunner to the Communist revolution, a clear demonstration of the weakness of the Qing dynasty and the oppression caused by foreigners in China. It is still salient because the popular culture maintains it as such.
From the 1st opium war onwards westerners in China had all sorts of weird privileges, China was really a vassal state of the whole west and resentment, in particular among the elites, ran high with good reason as I understand it.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 10:27 PM

View PostTraveler, on 15 January 2019 - 01:31 PM, said:

Pretty good summary of why we are going after China. Section 301 is a pretty powerful hammer. Much more so than the tariffs. At least Lightizer is focusing on the real issues. That said, prognosis don't look good. Folks cannot testify for fear of the CCP.
The article does deal with American concerns although I wondered why it seemed to cast uncertainty throughout on the USTR report. Then I found the author - Wendy Wu. To be fair she may be objective, I mean what's in a name? Hmmmmn. Having been shafted so many times by Chinese businesses I am hardly impartial but -
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 10:49 PM

View PostJ-CA, on 15 January 2019 - 05:46 PM, said:

The Boxer rebellion is and the Boxers themselves are a key part of the modern narrative of Chinese history promoted by the current government, they're movement was a forerunner to the Communist revolution, a clear demonstration of the weakness of the Qing dynasty and the oppression caused by foreigners in China. It is still salient because the popular culture maintains it as such.
From the 1st opium war onwards westerners in China had all sorts of weird privileges, China was really a vassal state of the whole west and resentment, in particular among the elites, ran high with good reason as I understand it.
Still does! My Chinese contacts are proud of the architecture in Shanghai's French and British sections, but bristle with resentment anyway. Of course they do. State propaganda fuels this too.

I would add that people now days view the opium wars with disgust. It is worth remembering that views on drugs back then were quite different. In some counties in England up to half the adults were opium addicts. Opium was simply a commodity people wanted. Cannabis was burnt to get babies to sleep and toothache pain was treated with henbane (active ingredient hyoscine), brewers also popped henbane into beer. Hops with high high cannabis content were also used for beer.

Recent hangovers were Tiger Balm (cocain), Coca cola (cocain), in fact coca cola was initially conceived as a medicine.
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