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#301 Traveler

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 12:04 PM

There was no dissent in the decision. Bear that in mind.
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Posted 25 January 2021 - 12:22 PM

View PostTraveler, on 25 January 2021 - 12:04 PM, said:

There was no dissent in the decision. Bear that in mind.

Oh I know but that does not change my disappointment in SCOTUS. There was a clear constitutional issue brought up and they ensured it was not ruled on when they vacated the lower court rulings.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 01:23 PM

My thinking is that it would have had a dissent if there actually was the possibility of a case. I cannot see Sotomayer taking that one lying down.
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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:51 AM

SCOTUS: "You're good to go, Cy."

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The Supreme Court on Monday rejected a plea from former President Trump to block New York state prosecutors from accessing his tax returns.

The decision allows Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance to gain copies of Trump’s personal financial records from lenders and accountants used by the former president for his business.

A New York state grand jury first issued the criminal subpoena in August 2019. The subpoena has been bogged down in the federal court system as Trump fought to block access to his financial records since then.

In the one-sentence decision, the court declined to hear the appeal from Trump in the case. There were no known dissents in the matter.

“The application for a stay presented to Justice Breyer and referred to the Court is denied,” the line reads on the order list.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 10:13 AM

 LFC, on 22 February 2021 - 09:51 AM, said:


So much for packing the court with your players...
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 11:04 AM

 andydp, on 22 February 2021 - 10:13 AM, said:

So much for packing the court with your players...

His "lackeys" in the Supreme Court have their own agendas...Trump's tax returns aren't the reason they wanted to be Justices. Besides some things are pretty cut and dried; this case being one of them. Trump won anyway. The long delay is what he wanted, but he doesn't realize that the NY City DA isn't a subcontractor who will give up because the litigation costs are too high.

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 11:48 AM

Here's another case where it didn't do any good to pack the court. Note the "usual suspects" dissented.


USA Today: Supreme Court won’t hear 2020 election case that questioned some Pennsylvania ballots

Three conservative justices on the high court said they would have heard the Pennsylvania election cases, one vote shy of the four needed.
Justice Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch dissented.

USA Today: Supreme Court won't hear 2020 election case that questioned some Pennsylvania ballots - News & Guts Media (newsandguts.com)


Added information. A friend posted this article no idea of the source, but it sums the issue. (Underlines mine)


Appears the Law of the Land concluded the only election fraud was that alleged by Trump:


"Even the three justices who would have granted the case — Clarence Thomas, Samuel A. Alito Jr. and Neil M. Gorsuch — acknowledged that the number of ballots received after Election Day would not have been enough to threaten President Biden’s victory margin over former president Donald Trump. ...


But it takes the votes of four justices to accept a case for review. Although changing election rules because of the pandemic has been a theme of Republican challenges in the wake of Trump’s defeat, the rest of the conservative majority was silent. ...


Neither Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. nor two of the three justices nominated by Trump signed on to dissents from Thomas and Alito. Besides Gorsuch, Trump chose Justices Brett M. Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett.


The Supreme Court has uniformly rejected challenges to the election results.

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Anonymous

If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we pay the military pay to protect the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes us very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.
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"I can't go out because of the virus" sounds whiny and boring. I'm going with: "I've sworn an oath of solitude until the pestilence is purged from the lands." because it sounds more valiant and heroic. As a bonus, people might think you're carrying a sword.

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Its theorized if you put enough monkeys together with typewriters, eventually they'll write Shakespeare. But first, they write Trump speeches.

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What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.

Donald Trump

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Pres Donald J Trump, Joint Base Andrews 1/20/21


I get it. They had a guy ratf**k the post office. They filled the courts with hacks. They spent a ton of money. They filed so many lawsuits. They even started a riot ! It’s so unfair that they went to all that trouble and still lost. Anonymous

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 03:37 PM

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Three conservative justices on the high court said they would have heard the Pennsylvania election cases, one vote shy of the four needed.
Justice Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch dissented.

Clarence Thomas continues to prove himself the most conflicted and corrupt member of the court. He should have recused himself, just as he should have recused himself over the ACA rulings. (If you don't remember his wife lobbied against the ACA and "Oopsie!" Thomas forgot to disclose $300,000 in income she made for her "work." Then he said there was no conflict to him ruling on the ACA. Now she's part of "Stop the Steal" and he wants to weigh in on that too. I wonder how much she's making for her "work" and if Clarence will "remember" to report it.)

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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a dissent after the high court refused to hear a Republican challenge to a Pennsylvania state court decision that extended the deadline to receive mail-in ballots in last November's election -- which once again raised questions about his wife's activism ahead of the Jan. 6 insurrection.

The Supreme Court declined Monday to take up cases challenging the Pennsylvania state court, and Trump and supporters like Ginni Thomas have challenged state laws to claim President Joe Biden's win was illegitimate.

Ginni Thomas had publicly endorsed the "Stop The Steal" rally in Washington, D.C., that turned into a deadly assault on the U.S. Capitol, and her husband wrote a dissent that seems destined to justify attempts by Republican state legislatures to limit mail-in voting in future elections.

"That decision to rewrite the rules seems to have affected too few ballots to change the outcome of any federal election. But that may not be the case in the future," Thomas wrote. "These cases provide us with an ideal opportunity to address just what authority nonlegislative officials have to set election rules, and to do so well before the next election cycle. The refusal to do so is inexplicable."

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This Clarence Thomas dissent is unhinged even for Clarence Thomas. Standard-issue "just asking questions" voter fraud truthering, but laundered using legalese and published by an author with "Justice" in front of their name. https://t.co/7vI74ObIgm pic.twitter.com/JlkpzaDnMq
— Jay Willis (@jaywillis) February 22, 2021


It's worth taking a look at the full thread of tweets by Jay Willis on this issue. In his dissent Thomas is literally bringing up the lies about election fraud as if they were real and babbles on about the people being worried about election integrity. Willis points out that this is only true because the right-wing noise machine and politicians have been screeching about it non-stop while repeating lies about supposed fraud.

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Thomas's argument here tracks that being asserted by countless Republicans lawmakers across the country right now: "People are SO worried about elections [because we told them to worry about elections]. We HAVE to act [to suppress the vote]!"


And then this:

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Jay Willis
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Justice ThOANNas, is this anything, come back to me I'll think it over

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thomas's dissent is particularly special in the way it pulls directly from newsmax and oann

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 03:44 PM

 LFC, on 22 February 2021 - 09:51 AM, said:


I just assumed it would be many months more until the documents were produced. Apparently not.

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NBC justice correspondent Pete Williams told host Stephanie Ruhle that the grand jury would be able to see Trump's financial records "almost immediately."

"This is it," Williams said. "This is the end of the road for the [former] president's lawyers to appeal here. The accountants for the president have always said they will abide by whatever the courts say. And this has all be set to go -- sort of in the starting blocks."

"Vance agreed to hold off on any demands for these documents until the Supreme Court has handled this case," he added. "You can bet that that is already to go. All they have to do is turn the key. Those demands will go to the accountants. The accountants are ready to turn it over. So I suspect that this will be a matter of days."

Williams pointed out that the work of the grand jury "seems to be growing" because new forensic accountants were recently brought on to the case.

"The topics they're looking at seems to growing as well," the NBC correspondent said. "We know that it's expanded beyond the statements -- remember the genesis of all this. It was Michael Cohen's testimony before the Senate that the president wasn't truthful in stating his assets, that sometimes he would overstate them when he was trying to get loans and sometimes he would understate them when he was trying to avoid taxes."

"And then the hush money payments," Williams continued. "But it's gone beyond that. It's gone beyond those payments. It's gone beyond that treatment. It's looking at a much broader look at the Trump Organization."

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 05:37 PM

 LFC, on 22 February 2021 - 03:44 PM, said:

I just assumed it would be many months more until the documents were produced. Apparently not.

I imagine the firm had the stuff pulled up and ready to go on the idea that one appellate court or another would knock down the motion to quash. It's been a couple of years.





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