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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:26 PM

It's a bit long and more than a bit disgusting but Bannon is aligned with several other characters who are trying to undermine Pope Francis. They want that good ole fashioned religion i.e. the one that hates "others" and can ignore the "minor flaws" of their instruments ... like Trump.

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It sounds almost like a lame joke. A former Trump strategist, a conservative cardinal with a penchant for fancy ceremonial gowns, and a far-right xenophobe walk into a bar in Rome. In this case, the Trump strategist is Steve Bannon, the conservative cardinal is American Raymond Burke, and the xenophobe is Italy’s new interior minister Matteo Salvini. No, they aren’t in a bar, but they are conspiring against one man, Pope Francis, on the issue most dear to him: immigration.

It is no secret that Francis, whose first ever apostolic voyage was to the Italian island of Lampedusa to give support to the hundreds of thousands of migrants who have crashed onto the shores there, supports an open-border policy. He has celebrated mass on the Mexican border with the United States, and he has warned world leaders to prioritize the acceptance of migrants over national security concerns and to avoid “discrimination, racism, extreme nationalism and xenophobia.”

In a series of statements ahead of World Refugee Day on Wednesday, Francis called for integration and acceptance, not borders and closed ports. “I hope that the states involved in these processes reach an understanding to assure, with responsibility and humanity, assistance to and the protection of those who are forced to flee their own country,” he said in one of his many messages to mark the occasion.

But the pope’s words have fallen on the deaf ears of many politicians, and sparked outrage from Bannon, Burke, and Salvini. Bannon told ABC News this week that the Catholic Church was “one of the worst instigators of this open borders policy,” singling out Francis as the main reason for the migration crisis in Europe (which began long before Francis was elected in 2013). Bannon, who proclaims his own Catholic faith, previously has said the Catholic Church just needs “illegal aliens” to fill its pews.

When Bannon was in Rome in early June to celebrate Italy’s new populist government run by Salvini, Five Star Movement leader Luigi Di Maio and their previously unknown puppet Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, he also took a side trip to the Trisulti monastery. It’s an 800-year-old gem of real estate a few hours from Rome being developed by Benjamin Harnwell, a conservative British Catholic with ties to UKIP, the party that built its reputation pushing for Brexit, as a bastion for right-wing-thinking types.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:37 PM

Where's the Inquisition when you need them?
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Posted 20 June 2018 - 07:51 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 20 June 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

Where's the Inquisition when you need them?

Nobody expects it...
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:04 PM

Steve Bannon, the avowed white nationalist, is digging in deep like a tick with the hard-right clergy and members of the Catholic Church. One would have to wonder why such paragons of morality would associate in any way with Bannon. Maybe together they're trying to go back to the "good old days" of the Reichskonkordat when the Vatican and Hitler's Germany were BFFs.

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Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon is helping to craft the curriculum for a leadership course at a right-wing Roman Catholic institute in Italy, stepping up his efforts to influence conservative thinking in the church.

Benjamin Harnwell, director of the Dignitatis Humanae Institute based in a mountaintop monastery not far from Rome, told Reuters Bannon had been helping to build up the institute for about half of its eight-year life.

Cardinal Raymond Burke, a leading Vatican conservative who is president of the Institute’s board of advisers, said Bannon would be playing a leading role there.

Burke told Reuters he looked forward to working with Harnwell and Bannon “to promote a number of projects that should make a decisive contribution to the defense of what used to be called Christendom”.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 12:27 PM

More Republicans are looking just to survive and don't want to be tied to the stain of Steve Bannon.

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Steve Bannon waded into the Midterm campaign Wednesday night by holding an upstate New York rally to support his local Republican candidates—none of whom bothered to show up. In a stark display of how far his influence has diminished since he left his role as Donald Trump’s chief strategist just over a year ago, Bannon boasted of his importance in the 2016 election to a small crowd of around 200 in Buffalo. Worse still, he drew a crowd of just 38 to an event in Staten Island on Monday. Michael Caputo—organizer of Buffalo event—said he invited all Republicans running for office in the western New York area but had yet to receive a single reply. Bannon had reportedly been slated to appear with David DiPietro, running for re-election to the New York state assembly, but he pulled out.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 01:30 PM

View PostLFC, on 14 September 2018 - 12:04 PM, said:

Steve Bannon, the avowed white nationalist, is digging in deep like a tick with the hard-right clergy and members of the Catholic Church. One would have to wonder why such paragons of morality would associate in any way with Bannon. Maybe together they're trying to go back to the "good old days" of the Reichskonkordat when the Vatican and Hitler's Germany were BFFs.

If 40% of Americans (and 70% evangelicals) approve of the immoral Trump, there likely would be at least 40%, if not more, present day Catholic clergy in favor of more traditional, conservative 'values'. (Yes, apples and oranges) Heck, you can get 20% of any large group to agree with anything. And in matters of religion, there would be even less logical thinking. So maybe Bannon has found a home.
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 02:47 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 25 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

So maybe Bannon has found a home.

He can rub elbows with Rod Dreher who loves nothing more than calling out the supposed immorality of Pope Francis while soft peddling his criticism of Pope Benedict, The Patron Saint of Priestly Pedophile Protection.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 03:33 PM

Maybe with luck the next Pope will be a member of the John Bolton wing of the Church and they can get him to declare another Crusade.
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Posted 26 October 2018 - 01:55 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 25 October 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

Maybe with luck the next Pope will be a member of the John Bolton wing of the Church and they can get him to declare another Crusade.

I hear that Constan, er... Istanbul is ripe for the taking.
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Posted 19 February 2019 - 02:10 PM

Pope Francis's ultra-orthodox enemies (the ones that Rod Dreher just loves) are palling around with Steve Bannon, one of the most unholy pieces of shit in the U.S. Nothing like watching a bunch of "holy" men jockeying for political power in their church.

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But from the moment it was announced last September, just as the full impact of the now-famous Pennsylvania grand jury report sent shockwaves around the world, those with other agendas were booking flights to Rome.

One such opportunist is Steve Bannon, the former strategist and campaign chairman for U.S. President Donald Trump who confirmed to The Daily Beast that he will be in the Eternal City for the summit this week. Bannon is an ardent supporter of Pope Francis’ most vocal foe, American Cardinal Raymond Burke, who is not listed as an attendee.

Together they can be expected to use the sidelines of the summit as an opportunity to rail against what they both say they believe is the root cause of clerical abuse: gay priests. And, while doing so, they will hint that Francis’ perceived leniency toward gay Catholics somehow enables the abusers.

Bannon, a thrice-divorced Catholic, told The Daily Beast last fall that he wants to get involved in the fight against clerical sex abuse. He envisions a tribunal that runs parallel to the U.S. justice system that would not only put pervert priests on trial, but also seek to smoke out gay priests from their clerical closets.

Bannon is offering logistical support to Burke, who is setting up a sort of Vatican-alternative institution for traditional Catholics and political conservatives inside the 800-year-old Trisulti monastery outside Rome.

The whole thing is being set up by the Dignitatis Humanae Institute, which is helmed by Bannon protégé Ben Harnwell, a conservative British Catholic with ties to UKIP, the party that laid the groundwork for Brexit. Harnwell undoubtedly will be at Bannon’s side during the sex abuse summit, just as he is whenever the former Trump strategist is in Rome. The monastery, where Harnwell lives with a couple of aging monks, will host a “university” currently under construction for right-wing politicians from across Europe, Harnwell told The Daily Beast. Burke will be its spiritual leader and Bannon will be its political leader and de facto godfather.

Burke, who has been scolded and sanctioned by the pope on a number of occasions and who has been relegated to the Knights of Malta stewardship on the other side of Rome from Vatican City, recently set up his own website which offers a conservative alternative to what Francis is preaching across town.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 03:33 PM

Steve Bannon and his wingnut minions are busy doing what fascists have done for ages; they're trying to mobilize religion as their driving force for nationalism which eventually becomes a dictatorship.

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Steve Bannon, former White House chief strategist, is gunning for a new institution now that his work in America is done: make the Vatican great again.

Bannon is converting a $1 million, 800-year-old monastery outside of Rome into an “academy” for the training of “modern gladiators,” or the next generation’s populist leaders.

“I think the populist nationalist sovereignty movement is about the reinforcement of the traditional Judeo-Christian West,” Bannon told MSNBC’s Richard Engel. “What we’re saying is let’s have an academy that brings the best thinkers together and can actually train what we call ‘modern gladiators.'”

Bannon also lamented that the Pope is not a fan of the “populist nationalist” movement and argued that the Vatican “needs change.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 04:30 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 April 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

Steve Bannon and his wingnut minions are busy doing what fascists have done for ages; they're trying to mobilize religion as their driving force for nationalism which eventually becomes a dictatorship.
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 05:05 AM

View PostLFC, on 18 April 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

Steve Bannon and his wingnut minions are busy doing what fascists have done for ages; they're trying to mobilize religion as their driving force for nationalism which eventually becomes a dictatorship.

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“I think the populist nationalist sovereignty movement is about the reinforcement of the traditional Judeo-Christian West,” Bannon told MSNBC’s Richard Engel. “What we’re saying is let’s have an academy that brings the best thinkers together and can actually train what we call ‘modern gladiators.'”

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Isn't the Enlightenment part of the " traditional Judeo-Christian West"? I have always thought so. Not of Christianity, obviously, but there is an overlap; a Christian part of the Enlightenment. (Wish I could do Venn diagrams in TRS without cutting and pasting from some graphics package that would take my decaying brain too long to learn).

I get the feeling that the Enlightenment doesn't really float SS-Oberstgruppenführer Bannon's boat.
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 05:08 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 19 April 2019 - 05:05 AM, said:

Isn't the Enlightenment part of the " traditional Judæo-Christian West"? I have always thought so. Not of Christianity, obviously, but there is an overlap; a Christian part of the Enlightenment. (Wish I could do Venn diagrams in TRS without cutting and pasting from some graphics package that would take my decaying brain too long to learn).

I get the feeling that the Enlightenment doesn't really float SS-Oberstgruppenführer Bannon's boat.

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:45 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 19 April 2019 - 05:05 AM, said:

Wish I could do Venn diagrams in TRS without cutting and pasting from some graphics package that would take my decaying brain too long to learn.

You could sketch on some convenient surface (like, say, paper) and take a picture with a telephone.
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