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#1 Traveler

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 04:57 PM

Hello All,

For some time now, I have been interacting with a pretty vibrant comment community over on Bloomberg View. IMO, one of the better commentariats on the net. (TAC is too wordy, LGM is too smart by half and the other communities are just too large.) TRS is is where I come first every day, and is my RSS feed (no small thanks to LFC). I value it as my own social media. You folks are as much my friends as many in meatspace. This site is special. I then go to BB for some spirited discussion with folks on the other side of the aisle.

But times they are a changin'. BB just went behind a paywall, so a bunch of commenters and I formed a strike. We now have 34 commenters signed up, including DCoronata and me. So now it looks like BB is turning a cold shoulder to our request for a more realistic paywall. Meanwhile comments have dropped off drastically.

So I am pretty sure that whole crew is going to get left high and dry. There are about 15 of those that would fit right in here. They are serious, smart, sensible and some are downright funny. A bit broader spectrum than what we have here, but most right down our line.

I know Charles does NOT want us soliciting folks, although I violate this edict regularly. DCoronata is the latest transgression. But now I want to explore with you all whether we should invite in the entire crew on ModeratePoli's blog. As a small site, such an invite is not broadcast widely. Many there will probably pass, but I think an important few would go for it. Each of these have an extensive disqus history you can view. Some are total turkeys and I doubt they would even sign up.

So should we open up for this crew? I will put together a poll once I get enough feedback and we can proceed accordingly.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts. This could be a very good thing.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:05 PM

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:18 PM

View PostTraveler, on 21 May 2018 - 04:57 PM, said:

So should we open up for this crew? I will put together a poll once I get enough feedback and we can proceed accordingly.

Fine with me; but, to be blunt, I don't want any more DSPs or Raskolniks. I'm sure it goes without saying that none of your prospects, Traveler, will waste our time or frazzle our nerves. DSP was like an intolerable buzzing in the ears lasting years on end; Raskolnik shocked me to the core when he suddenly went barking mad in one post (or so it seemed), after a year or two of seeming to be quite a pleasant guy, if a little too reactionary and right wing for me. Thank God he removed himself from our midst before he stunk the place out.

But don't mind me; I have much less skin in the game now; I lurk more than I post.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:38 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 21 May 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

Fine with me; but, to be blunt, I don't want any more DSPs or Raskolniks. I'm sure it goes without saying that none of your prospects, Traveler, will waste our time or frazzle our nerves. DSP was like an intolerable buzzing in the ears lasting years on end; Raskolnik shocked me to the core when he suddenly went barking mad in one post (or so it seemed), after a year or two of seeming to be quite a pleasant guy, if a little too reactionary and right wing for me. Thank God he removed himself from our midst before he stunk the place out.

But don't mind me; I have much less skin in the game now; I lurk more than I post.

Trolls are one thing and are best dealt with by banning. Knuckle draggers are another issue that I don't think we should be too worried about. DSP and Raskolnik are why I think we can survive an occasional potential knuckle dragger. Rask did not last too long after being called out for his boorish behavior, not his views. Sometimes debating DSP felt a little like banging your head against a brick wall, but he was never rude and eventually gave up and moved on. To paraphrase Mittens, the knuckle draggers can self-ban themselves.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:40 PM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 21 May 2018 - 05:05 PM, said:

Youngblood!

Or Fresh Meat!
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:58 PM

Aside from the above qualifiers, seems good to me.
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 06:14 PM

Why not? Being the first TRS member who signed up (besides Charles) this place preceded the breakup of Frum's site. TRS survived the influx of y'all, it also should survive and probably prosper with some new blood. :)

Do we need to put in place some sort of written application? ;)
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 06:20 PM

There we go- the OG commenter has spoken. Let's go- with Charles' approval. I see the consternation of this poster or that, but do remember- we can shun and/or ignore. Nobody forces any of us to bang our heads against a wall. Although I have... :P
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Posted 21 May 2018 - 06:37 PM

Of late, I’ve been more like Rich — lurking much more than posting. I’m not sure how much that will change after school finishes for the year.

I don’t see a problem with new membership offers. Off & on, I’ve considered inviting 1 or 2 “meatspace” cronies over, myself. The rest of you have pretty well covered potential issues that I could foresee.
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 07:46 AM

Hi there, topic's unintentional "subject" here...

I hope you've been enjoying my posts and I've certainly enjoyed being here and a part of the community. Traveller and I have been posting together at Bloomberg for several years, and he has suggested to "hand pick" a few of the literally hundreds of regular posters there to join us now that Bloomberg has paywalled. There's about a dozen people there who I am sure would be very interesting and fun contributors. Admittedly they do skew towards the economics and liberal side - there are a few very interesting "intelligent" conservatives there and a couple have been suggested - but they all tend to be very strong on their facts and intellectually sound. The demographics might seem to be a bit aged, but that seems to be similar to what's currently here as well. None of them are remotely troll like.

And there's even a birder with American Littoral Society creds there!

Most places run through a bell curve of "enthusiasm and participation", and as time goes by people drift away and no doubt this will happen to all of us. New blood tends is on the leading edge of the curve, and they might keep others on that edge for a longer period of time. At least, they might stretch the trailing edge.
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 07:51 PM

I welcome new blood. I came over here when Frum ended his site, and have found all of you to be well informed, challenging, and thoughtful, if maybe a little more to the political left (in most cases) than me. I like that all of you post interesting links, buttress your arguments with evidence and examples, and don't post ideological nonsense. So thank you all. Most commentariats, by contrast, are almost insufferable (to me anyway).

I hope we can attract new members to keep this refuge of sanity going (I welcome a broader spectrum of viewpoints, provided that one's opinion is evidence-based, and one's mind is open to new ideas).
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:33 PM

Is there something like the RMS rule for discussion board demographics?
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:51 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 22 May 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

I welcome new blood.

Well THAT sounds a bit intimidating and troubling.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 09:14 AM

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 04:55 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 23 May 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

It makes the hair shiny and the skin oh-so glow-y.

PG? Is that you?

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:20 PM

Don't scare the new people....
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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:58 PM

Elizabeth Báthory, is that you?
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:29 AM

Sorry for not replying on this sooner.

"I know Charles does NOT want us soliciting folks, although I violate this edict regularly."

Actually, I've repeatedly in the past encouraged people to invite others here, because our core has been stagnant for a very long time, and boards that don't get fresh infusions of new contributors always eventually die off. Sorry if I subsequently said anything to give the opposite impression.

That said, I'd prefer if the invites were targeted at good contributors as opposed to scattershotted at a whole group unless the group overall is of high quality.

Right now, invites would require manual approval and I'd need someone to (preferably) email me their usernames.

In the long run, this forum software needs an overhaul or replacement, which is going to cost time and money.
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:33 AM

Thanks Charles,

The forum I am going to reach out to is mostly excellent folks. Although a few ROCs that will not come over anyway. Everyone there is about to set up their own, but I figure a broadcast invite to them all will bring in a few. So I will post it over there, get the name list and let you know.
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:59 AM

View Postcmk, on 24 May 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

Actually, I've repeatedly in the past encouraged people to invite others here, because our core has been stagnant for a very long time...

Did Charles just tell us all that we need to shower?
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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