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#241 LFC

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 05:40 PM

Here's comes the Right-wing God Squad, pushing pro-discrimination laws for Jeebus. These are Dreher's kinda' people, the same kind he said we needed to be nice to over their religious beliefs because we had won. The attacks I'm seeing look like the hate and desire to bash gays is still flowing strong.

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Bills that that are popping up in Tennessee and other states which seek to discriminate against LGBTQ people and bring religion into the public sphere are no coincidence; they’re the result of a coordinate effort by Project Blitz — a consortium of three Christian nationalist groups: the Congressional Prayer Caucus Foundation, the National Legal Foundation, and the Wallbuilders.

Washington Monthly spoke to Fred Clarkson, who’s been studying the Christian right for decades, and he says that these bills “reflect the theocratic vision that’s animated a meaningful portion of the Christian Right for some time.” According to Clarkson, Project Blitz’s strategy is to divide their “model legislation” into three categories, depending on how much opposition each bill is expected to receive:

“The first category, intended to appear the most innocuous, included bills to promote ‘In God We Trust’ license plates and the display of the ‘In God We Trust’ motto in public schools,” Clarkson told Washington Monthly. “The next batch of bills centered on emphasizing ‘Christian heritage’ and ‘the importance of the Bible in history’ to promote the notion that the U.S. is a Christian nation. The third category, which organizers noted might be ‘the most hotly contested,’ sought to empower licensed professionals to deny health care and other services based on religious beliefs and to enable adoption agencies to reject adoptive families on religious grounds.”

The idea is to slowly open the door to promoting religion in public institutions, which paves the way for making the second category more acceptable, then ultimately arriving at legislation in the third category. Knowing that the legislation will ultimately be rejected by the courts, Project Blitz will then argue that their efforts to deny adoption rights to LGBTQ people is based on “data” that says “LGBTQ people tend to be diseased, dysfunctional or both—and that they pose a threat to children and to society.”

In states where Republicans completely control the government, Project Blitz’s agenda is likely to be the most successful.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 06:07 PM

 LFC, on 24 January 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

Here's comes the Right-wing God Squad, pushing pro-discrimination laws for Jeebus. These are Dreher's kinda' people, the same kind he said we needed to be nice to over their religious beliefs because we had won. The attacks I'm seeing look like the hate and desire to bash gays is still flowing strong.

There doesn't seem to be much faith in God in these folks.

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:22 PM

GV that was priceless.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:35 PM

I like the one where they have mandatory "In God We Trust" with pictures of Odin, Buddha, Ganesh, etc.
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Posted 29 January 2020 - 12:43 PM

I'd like to think this will convince some. Unfortunately, there's pods in their houses. ***

'Hymn for the 81%': A conversation with Daniel Deitrich

The seed for this song has been rumbling around in the back of my mind for a few years now. In 2016, 81% of white evangelical Christians voted for Donald Trump after, among other things, hearing an audio recording of him bragging about sexually assaulting women. Even after enacting deliberately cruel policies to rip families apart and put children in cages at the southern border, evangelical support is as fervent as ever.


I was raised in the evangelical world and was taught to take the words of Jesus seriously: Love God, love your neighbor, feed the hungry, fight against injustice. I was taught that things like love, peace, kindness, gentleness and self-control matter. That's why I have been so confused and deeply saddened by the unflinching loyalty to a man who so clearly embodies the opposite of these values.


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Posted 29 January 2020 - 02:57 PM

 andydp, on 29 January 2020 - 12:43 PM, said:

'Hymn for the 81%': A conversation with Daniel Deitrich

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Many people are leaving the church. How do you still believe in it?

Yeah, I keep getting messages responding to this song like, “This is exactly why I left the church.” My friend and teammate Ryan Yazel summed it up really well, saying, “To the evangelical world that raised me, if I am distant from you, it's because you raised me to be distant from what you've now become.” People have had to leave the church to continue following Jesus.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 02:50 PM

As I predicted when Dreher went from anti-Trump to Trump-curious he has now put forth a case to be pro-Trump. That this was coming was pretty obvious and, as was also obvious, it all comes down to two things; abortion and using religion as a cudgel to discriminate against people. There is no "live and let live" in these people as much as they screech and accuse the other side of the same. They want control, dammit, and they want it now.

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In my view, the Christian case for voting Trump is apophatic — a term used in theology to describe God by saying what He is not. I believe Trump is a cunning man of low character and low competence, and I don’t believe he is a Christian in any meaningful sense. But here is what he is not: a supporter of laws that allow us to exterminate the unborn with no conditions; an enemy of religious liberty; a promoter of laws that would write transgenderism into civil rights law; a person who considers traditionalist Christians to be what’s wrong with America.

(I would say also that whatever his flaws, he’s against the ideology of Social Justice, but that is not a specifically Christian concern.)

His Democratic opponents are all those things that he is not. Let me put it to you like this: if we were having a national election in 1860, and your choice was between a Trump figure who opposed slavery, and who appointed anti-slavery judges, or a Democratic opponent who was far less corrupt, and far more clubbable than the vulgar Trump figure, would you still say that there was no Christian case for the Trump figure? Most serious pro-lifers regard abortion as on the same moral level as slavery. In my case, in 2008, I was so angry at George W. Bush and the GOP over Iraq and the financial crisis that I wanted to vote for Obama. Besides, I wanted to be able to say that I voted for the first black president. But because of abortion, I could not bring myself to do it, as a matter of principle.

So, the practical case for voting Trump is going to be enough for many Christians. If I end up voting for him, it will be precisely because of that, most of all on the issues of abortion and religious liberty. For that reason, I believe that the policies that bad man Trump will pursue if re-elected will be more in the interest of the common good than what the Democrats would do. Not just my own tribe’s good, but the common good.


And this is why I have no respect for the brand Christianity that too many in America practice. They can justify any evil just by waving the anti-abortion flag. And don't even get me started about the hypocrisy of their "pro-life" label. It's pro-fetus, anti-poor, pro-death penalty, pro-torture, pro-war all the way. Disgusting.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 03:17 PM

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if we were having a national election in 1860, and your choice was between a Trump figure who opposed slavery, and who appointed anti-slavery judges, or a Democratic opponent who was far less corrupt, and far more clubbable than the vulgar Trump figure, would you still say that there was no Christian case for the Trump figure?


Well, a closer look at the historical record shows that in 1856 the Republicans nominated John C. Fremont, who to put it mildly, was no Abraham Lincoln. Having an incompetent leader during the Civil War would have probably resulted in preserving slavery for several more decades.

In summary, Dreher is a self-absorbed nincompoop. But you already knew that.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 03:28 PM

Dreher is free to consider abortion an immoral abomination, fully equivalent to slavery. I mean that. It is his right, and his right to factor that into his politics.

However, in allowing this issue to control his vote, he allows himself to be used by actors he knows full well to be corrupt. Making abortion illegal will not abolish abortions. To "win" on this issue, it is not contests at the ballot box that need to be won, but the contest for hearts and minds. He undercuts the cause he claims is paramount to him by tying it to a man most Americans and the vast majority of young Americans hold in extreme contempt.

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 04:27 PM

View PostLFC, on 30 January 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

As I predicted when Dreher went from anti-Trump to Trump-curious he has now put forth a case to be pro-Trump. That this was coming was pretty obvious and, as was also obvious, it all comes down to two things; abortion and using religion as a cudgel to discriminate against people. There is no "live and let live" in these people as much as they screech and accuse the other side of the same. They want control, dammit, and they want it now.

But the curious thing, to me, is to hear this coming from a Catholic. How has he managed to wrap himself around to believing that "religious liberty" is going to save him from the Baptist Inquisition when they finish with the Jews [1]?

[1] They can claim all they like to be prioritizing "atheists" and "secularists" but we tend to blend in pretty readily. Jews have always been the first in line regardless whether the Inquisition is Catholic or Protestant, with Muslims being pushed to the head of the line beside them, but the other Christians are next, way ahead of the uncommitted.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 04:45 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 30 January 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

But the curious thing, to me, is to hear this coming from a Catholic. How has he managed to wrap himself around to believing that "religious liberty" is going to save him from the Baptist Inquisition when they finish with the Jews [1]?

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 02:37 PM

This is what a right-wing "Christian" prayer breakfast sounds like now.

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President Donald Trump used Thursday’s National Prayer Breakfast to accuse Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), a devout Mormon, of using his faith as cover for his decision to vote for conviction on one of the articles of impeachment.

“Weeks ago and again yesterday, courageous Republican politicians and leaders had the wisdom, fortitude, and strength to do what everyone knows was right,” he said. “I don’t like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. Nor do I like people who say I pray for you when they know that’s not so.”

On Wednesday, when Romney addressed his impending vote on the Senate floor, he cited his oath before God to act as an impartial juror as one of the main catalysts for his ultimate decision.

Trump also seems to be slipping in a jab at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who often says that she’s praying for the President when they are at odds. In a letter he sent her just before the House voted to impeach him, he accused her of lying about praying for him. Pelosi, a lifelong Catholic, was in attendance at the prayer breakfast.

Trump also spent time crowing about his Wednesday impeachment acquittal, grinning and holding up the front page of the Washington Post emblazoned with the headline: “Trump Acquitted.”

He implicitly characterized Democrats as people he is trying to learn not to hate, to hearty laughter from the crowd.

“I’m sorry. I apologize. I am trying to learn,” he said. “Not easy. It’s not easy. When they impeach you for nothing, and you’re supposed to like them, it’s not easy, folks. I do my best.”


This is the face of American Christianity. It is a face that the likes of Rod Dreher and so many others are currently supporting to get the transactions they desire. Maybe they can explain to me, why on earth do you think the clearer-eyed younger generations would look at your hate and want to join with you?
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 04:55 PM

 LFC, on 06 February 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

...why on earth do you think the clearer-eyed younger generations would look at your hate and want to join with you?
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Posted 07 February 2020 - 02:35 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 February 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

This is what a right-wing "Christian" prayer breakfast sounds like now.

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 08:59 AM

Gay bashing by the most recent Medal of Freedom recipient. They love to hate people for being different.

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Days after being awarded the Medal of Freedom during President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address, right-wing talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh wondered aloud about how, in a general election face-off, “Mr. Man, Donald Trump” would “have fun” with Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg’s sexuality.

Limbaugh, who recently announced that he’s been diagnosed with advanced lung cancer, was back on the air Wednesday and weighed in on Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary results.

In a segment first flagged by Media Matters, Limbaugh said the Democratic establishment is faced with some “hard cold truths” about the state of the race over the fact that democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is the frontrunner, followed closely by Buttigieg, which Limbaugh pronounced as “Booty-gieg.”

“So you’re faced with dyed-in-the-wool socialist who’s not even a Democrat,” the conservative talker declared. “A gay guy, 37 years old, loves kissing his husband on debate stages. Can you see Trump have fun with that?”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 19 February 2020 - 01:50 PM

Will the real Christian please stand up? The chair recognizes Mr. Buttigieg.

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Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg invoked President Donald Trump’s porn star scandal on Tuesday, reviving a line of attack that helped catapult his long-shot campaign into a viable contender last year.

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh, on whom President Donald Trump bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freemom during the State of the Union, said the president told him to “never apologize” for his comments about Buttigieg’s sexuality.

Limbaugh said last week that America isn’t ready to elect a gay man who kisses his husband onstage. Trump, however, suggested last week that he would vote for a gay presidential candidate.

Asked by CNN’s Erin Burnett at a Las Vegas town hall whether he takes the president at his word, Buttigieg responded: “Not if he’s sending out his supporters to talk in this way.”

“The idea of the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump lecturing anybody on family values — I mean, sorry but, one thing about my marriage is it’s never involved me having to send hush money to a porn star after cheating on my spouse with him or her,” the former South Bend, Ind., mayor said. “So they wanna debate family values? Let’s debate family values. I’m ready.”

Buttigieg’s line was reminiscent of a phrase he used during his breakout CNN town hall last March, when he called Vice President Mike Pence the “cheerleader of the porn star presidency.”

Buttigieg had also addressed Limbaugh’s remarks on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. He told Dana Bash then that he loves his husband, Chasten; is faithful to him; and isn’t “gonna take lectures on family values from the likes of Rush Limbaugh.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 19 February 2020 - 03:18 PM

View PostLFC, on 07 February 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

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Well, at least he was being honest. That doesn't happen often.
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