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#21 Sinan

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:44 PM

Budgie...the power of media outlets to change the way people think is enormous. This is not a new phenomenon. Fox News is just the latest incarnation of propaganda media. They don't care if they are right or wrong, they just want to make sure you get the narrative. Whats the narrative? Them and us. If you keep listening to them you will come to believe that there really is a total divide between us that is impossible to bridge. The next step is to take action. Fox is really on the verge of advocating anarchy. That is how they make money. The movie "Network" is so telling...watch this clip.


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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:35 PM

I don't personally consider most of the people who call themselves "conservatives" to actually be conservative.

-Running huge budget deficits: not conversative
-Corporate welfare: not conservative
-Social engineering by the government: not conservative (even if it's "traditional values" social engineering)
-Intrusion into civil rights: not conservative

Of the current Republican candidates, Ron Paul is the only one I would consider a conservative
Mitt Romney: Corporatist
Rick Santorum: Christianist
Newt Gingrich: All-purpose demagogue

David Frum: not a conservative in any meaningful sense, rather a professional cheerleader for Team Red.
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#23 Raskolnik

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 11:29 PM

I identify as conservative for a few reasons. Mostly, I think that only change for the worse happens quickly. I remember reading Schiller's Letters on the Aesthetic Education of Man as a teenager:

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When the mechanic has to mend a watch, he lets the wheels run out, but the living watchworks of the state have to be repaired while they act, and a wheel has to be exchanged for another during its revolutions.

That was a pivotal moment for me, that and my forays into Dostoevsky, when I realized that utopian socialism is just simply a bad thing, that changes to society are not something to be wrought in one fell swoop but slowly and cautiously and, as indy said, always with an eye on trying to understand why the fence is there before you take it down. To me, the saddest part of our contemporary political dialogue is that apparently there are more self-described "conservatives" than liberals attempting to immanentize the eschaton, whereas in the past such muddle-headed fantasies were the near-exclusive province of the Left.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:57 AM

View PostRaskolnik, on 03 February 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

immanentize the eschaton

What would I do without google.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:08 AM

View Postrubbernecker, on 04 February 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

What would I do without google.

I thought the same thing! I had to read it on Wiki. I was wondering if I was the only one....

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:42 AM

:lol: sorry!

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:22 AM

View PostRaskolnik, on 04 February 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

:lol: sorry!
Are u kidding? I loved it. Why would I ever go back to facebook after a quote like that.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:29 AM

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as indy said, always with an eye on trying to understand why the fence is there before you take it down.

Robert Frost gets the credit from me ("Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up.") but no doubt some version of it was old when he first wrote it because, well, it just makes so much sense.





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