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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:19 AM

At least this indicates some shred of sensibility. Same for the shutdown "pause".

ETA: Not so fast....

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Graham said he understood Trump’s frustration with how much allies sacrifice in the Syria conflict, as well as the notion that the U.S. is trying to secure the entire world.

“But we’re not the policemen of the world here,” Graham said, adding that the U.S. is “fighting a war against” Islamic State for its own security.
Yeah, like the Iraq invasion and occupation had nothing to do with it...
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:45 AM

 Traveler, on 31 December 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

At least this indicates some shred of sensibility. Same for the shutdown "pause".

I think it indicates Republican panic and Lindsey desperately trying to talk Trump off of multiple ledges. Any "sensibility" is certainly not coming from Trump.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:42 PM

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“But we’re not the policemen of the world here,” Graham said

Bwaahahahahha!!!! This is Graham we are talking about.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 04:28 PM

Four Americans were killed and 3 wounded in a explosion in a Syrian cafe.

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Four U.S. citizens were killed and three wounded in a blast on Wednesday in the Syrian town of Manbij, a U.S. official confirmed. The victims were two service members, one Department of Defense-affiliated civilian, and one contractor supporting DOD work, according to a tweet from NPR reporter Tamara Keith. The attack comes just weeks after President Trump declared ISIS was defeated and ordered the withdrawal of United States forces. The blast is reported to have happened in the northern city of Manbij on Wednesday, according to Britain-based war monitor the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, and is said to have killed 15 people in total. An ISIS-affiliated website, Amaq, claimed a foreign military patrol was targeted in a suicide attack, but that claim has not been verified. The attack reportedly targeted the Qasr al-Umara restaurant where American soldiers would sometimes stop to eat during their patrols of the area.


Just after Mike Pence told us how ISIS was defeated. Oops. The optics aren't very good on that one, Mikey.

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Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday claimed that ISIS “has been defeated,” just hours after American troops were killed in an attack in Syria that ISIS later claimed.

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 08:23 PM

Trump and Pompeo announced a peace deal with the Taliban. They lied about the details.

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The Trump administration has been lying about the deal. Rep. Cheney said that the classified documents don’t contain what Pompeo said they do. Cheney noted that there are secret documents that have not been released, and said that the United States does not have a verification agreement with the Taliban, and no renunciation of al-Qaeda.

The surrender of Afghanistan that Trump handed the Taliban could be a much worse deal than anyone imagined. The deal is so bad that the administration looks to be hiding key pieces of it from Congress.

Trump appears to be giving the Taliban everything that they’ve ever wanted:

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Since Saturday, the Taliban got a televised handshake with a presidential envoy, a signed agreement with the U.S. promising eventual lifting of sanctions and now today -- a phone call from Trump. The Taliban are progressing toward their goal of international recognition. https://twitter.com/...962783285993483

In exchange, the US has received nothing.

The country has seen this pattern before in Trump’s dealings with North Korea. The president surrenders America’s interests to the lowest of the international low and then lies to cover his tracks.


And here I was finally going to give him a shred of credit. Silly me.
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Posted 04 March 2020 - 08:54 PM

On the other hand, do we want to remain engaged in Afghanistan? For what?

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 09:02 PM

 JackD, on 04 March 2020 - 08:54 PM, said:

On the other hand, do we want to remain engaged in Afghanistan? For what?

Probably the bet we can get is to say, "Fuck this" and leave. Presenting it as a diplomatic accomplishment instead of the same kind of abandonment that we did to the Kurds, all to get a "win" for the upcoming election?

That's negative.
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Posted 10 March 2020 - 05:12 PM

More on the complete and total cluster-f*** of a deal by the master deal maker himself. If he just said "That's it! We're out!" you'd be able to give him some credit but this is clearly a war of wills between a weak, stupid man and much shrewder, tougher men. So...much...winning.

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On Monday, U.S. officials confirmed that the initial troop withdrawal out of Afghanistan had begun, with aims to remove all U.S. troops within 14 months, which would bring 18 years of intermittent combat operations to an end. The U.S. is following through on its part of a peace agreement with the Taliban to reduce its troop strength in Afghanistan — even after confirming that the Islamist militant network has already reneged on its pledges.

Ending America’s longest and most unpopular war would undoubtedly be a good thing for a president facing a panicked economy and looming pandemic. Afghan and American forces killed more civilians in 2019 than the Taliban did, according to a UN report. Within hours of signing a peace deal with the Taliban late last month, however, this supposedly historical achievement by the Trump administration turned into a public embarrassment.

Less than 24 hours after the peace deal was signed, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, whose government was not involved in the agreement, rejected the Taliban’s main demand: the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners. It was then revealed that Defense Secretary Mark Esper had approved the withdrawal of U.S. troops before a weeklong truce, a crucial test for the Taliban, was even completed. Then, just hours after President Trump said he’d had a “very good talk” with the Taliban’s chief negotiator, Abdul Ghani Baradar, who was released from a Pakistani prison so he could sign the deal, U.S. warplanes bombed a Taliban position in support of Afghan troops.

“We had a good conversation. We’ve agreed there’s no violence. We don’t want violence,” Trump told journalists last Tuesday, after the Taliban publicized the call before even White House officials were informed. Esper defended the U.S. airstrikes against the Taliban as allowed under the peace agreement. “It’s the commitment I made to the Afghans when I was [in Kabul] on Saturday, that we would continue to defend the Afghans, support them.”

The cascade of confusing news and continued violence surrounding the much-needed peace deal has been enough to shake even the most compliant Republicans from their unquestioning Trump loyalty.

“I share the concerns of President Ghani on the release of 5,000 trained terrorists,” Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., a member of both the House Armed Services and Foreign Affairs committees, told The Hill. “It’s just so dangerous and irresponsible, so I’m not in favor of the agreement.”

The agreement includes a timeline for a full U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, if the Taliban lives up to its commitments, and plans for the U.S. military to share information with the Taliban. Under the pact, the U.S. would reduce its forces to 8,600 from 13,000 in the next three to four months. But while Taliban leaders have read the full deal, the Trump administration has classified key components, leading Republicans to call for increased transparency.

“Any deal that the United States would contemplate entering into with the Taliban should be made public in its entirety,” complained Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo. Consistent with her credentials as a leading GOP war hawk, Cheney, the No. 3 Republican in the House, criticized the Trump administration’s secret plan to abandon a war. The peace agreement, she warned, may be lopsided in the Taliban’s favor without a verification mechanism. “I’ve expressed my serious concerns about the lack of verification mechanism, about the commitment and the agreement that we would go to zero and primarily about the fact that what we have here are a number of promises by the Taliban.”

She continued: “Many of them are promises that have been made before, and I think that the decisions about American troop levels in Afghanistan have to be made based on America’s national security interests, not based on empty promises from the Taliban and an agreement that doesn’t have any disclosed verification mechanism.”

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