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#221 George Rowell

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:15 PM

 LFC, on 18 December 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

A writer at TDB makes the case that Russia looked at America, found the weak point in our society, and exploited it to the hilt. If you looking at Trump's heavily male, more heavily white screeching minions they are in a state of being perpetually offended (ironically as they mock people for being offended). Putin is smart and he zeroed in on his marks with precision accuracy.
Indeed, the Russians did their analysis well. If you ask most young adults today (at least in England/Australia/China) what a whites-only bus was they do not have a clue or segregation for that matter. When they learn they look in disbelief. You cannot be right, America is the land of the free. Some Americans fought hard to keep the status quo but sanity won out.

Do not forget the American Japanese citizens who were rounded up and sent to concentration camps during WW2.

You quoted a great article. Unfortunately I believe prejudice is a part of human nature, we all seem to need to pick on some individuals or groups that are different. It probably served a good purpose in evolution and maybe still does, but I believe good people recognize their prejudices and behave with respect to all, and eventually become what they do. I hope so. Maybe Balzac had a take on this.
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#222 AnBr

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:53 AM

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

— Lyndon B. Johnson
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 06:36 AM

This came up on my Hamilton68 feed this AM

An external threat is needed to rally NATO countries. The Russian threat is a bogey forced on Western society for political purposesPutin

I wonder if that's going into Pres Trump's intel briefing
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:58 AM

This is some serious shit.

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In a statement, Sen. Mark R. Warner (Va.), senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, called information in the filing “damning evidence of a senior Trump campaign official providing information to individuals tied to Russian intelligence in the midst of the Kremlin’s effort to undermine our election.”

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), incoming chair of the House Intelligence Committee, called the filing “stunning” and promised to pursue the questions it raised.

Prosecutors allege Manafort told “multiple dis­cern­ible lies” in the course of 12 interviews and two grand jury appearances since his guilty plea in September in Washington to conspiring to defraud the United States and conspiring to obstruct justice through his undisclosed lobbying for a pro-Russian politician in Ukraine. U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson has ordered the special counsel to respond and set a Jan. 25 hearing to air the competing perspectives.

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:25 PM

And to continue the coverage, the NYT has more info.

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“This is the closest thing we have seen to collusion,” Clint Watts, a senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said of the data-sharing. “The question now is, did the president know about it?”

The document gave no indication of whether Mr. Trump was aware of the data transfer or how Mr. Kilimnik might have used the information. But from March to August 2016, when Mr. Manafort worked for the Trump campaign, Russia was engaged in a full-fledged operation using social media, stolen emails and other tactics to boost Mr. Trump, attack Mrs. Clinton and play on divisive issues such as race and guns. Polling data could conceivably have helped Russia hone those messages and target audiences to help swing votes to Mr. Trump.


Both Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, the deputy campaign manager, transferred the data to Mr. Kilimnik in the spring of 2016 as Mr. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination, according to a person knowledgeable about the situation. Most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign, according to the person.

Good discussion of the Ukraine and sanctions angle. Not that this is any surprise, given the history of revelations starting with Flynn.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:33 PM

And of course Josh lays it all out for us.

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How much collusion there was, how deeply Donald Trump was knowingly a part of it, remains to be seen. The fact of collusion is established. Not through some marginal member of the operation but by the man Trump chose to run his campaign.

The article is well worth the read.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:21 PM

Let's be compassionate to Manafort--he's suffering from a bad case of gout in jail. That must be almost as debilitating as bone spurs.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:36 PM

On CNN Santorum said Trump was stuck with Manafort because no one would work for his campaign.

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Santorum added there was a 99 percent chance that then-campaign manager Manafort was a “lone wolf” in his dealings with Russia and the rest of the Trump campaign was unaware of his actions

Is this going to develop into a new argument by Trump defenders? Manafort colluded but Trump didn't know about it? His campaign and election would still be tainted by it and illegitimate.

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 04:04 PM

Santorum is shooting in the dark. He doesn't know what Mueller knows and neither do the rest of us. We'll have to wait and find out.





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