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#221 George Rowell

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:15 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 December 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

A writer at TDB makes the case that Russia looked at America, found the weak point in our society, and exploited it to the hilt. If you looking at Trump's heavily male, more heavily white screeching minions they are in a state of being perpetually offended (ironically as they mock people for being offended). Putin is smart and he zeroed in on his marks with precision accuracy.
Indeed, the Russians did their analysis well. If you ask most young adults today (at least in England/Australia/China) what a whites-only bus was they do not have a clue or segregation for that matter. When they learn they look in disbelief. You cannot be right, America is the land of the free. Some Americans fought hard to keep the status quo but sanity won out.

Do not forget the American Japanese citizens who were rounded up and sent to concentration camps during WW2.

You quoted a great article. Unfortunately I believe prejudice is a part of human nature, we all seem to need to pick on some individuals or groups that are different. It probably served a good purpose in evolution and maybe still does, but I believe good people recognize their prejudices and behave with respect to all, and eventually become what they do. I hope so. Maybe Balzac had a take on this.
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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:53 AM

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 06:36 AM

This came up on my Hamilton68 feed this AM

An external threat is needed to rally NATO countries. The Russian threat is a bogey forced on Western society for political purposesPutin

I wonder if that's going into Pres Trump's intel briefing
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:58 AM

This is some serious shit.

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In a statement, Sen. Mark R. Warner (Va.), senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, called information in the filing “damning evidence of a senior Trump campaign official providing information to individuals tied to Russian intelligence in the midst of the Kremlin’s effort to undermine our election.”

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), incoming chair of the House Intelligence Committee, called the filing “stunning” and promised to pursue the questions it raised.

Prosecutors allege Manafort told “multiple dis­cern­ible lies” in the course of 12 interviews and two grand jury appearances since his guilty plea in September in Washington to conspiring to defraud the United States and conspiring to obstruct justice through his undisclosed lobbying for a pro-Russian politician in Ukraine. U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson has ordered the special counsel to respond and set a Jan. 25 hearing to air the competing perspectives.

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:25 PM

And to continue the coverage, the NYT has more info.

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“This is the closest thing we have seen to collusion,” Clint Watts, a senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said of the data-sharing. “The question now is, did the president know about it?”

The document gave no indication of whether Mr. Trump was aware of the data transfer or how Mr. Kilimnik might have used the information. But from March to August 2016, when Mr. Manafort worked for the Trump campaign, Russia was engaged in a full-fledged operation using social media, stolen emails and other tactics to boost Mr. Trump, attack Mrs. Clinton and play on divisive issues such as race and guns. Polling data could conceivably have helped Russia hone those messages and target audiences to help swing votes to Mr. Trump.


Both Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, the deputy campaign manager, transferred the data to Mr. Kilimnik in the spring of 2016 as Mr. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination, according to a person knowledgeable about the situation. Most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign, according to the person.

Good discussion of the Ukraine and sanctions angle. Not that this is any surprise, given the history of revelations starting with Flynn.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:33 PM

And of course Josh lays it all out for us.

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How much collusion there was, how deeply Donald Trump was knowingly a part of it, remains to be seen. The fact of collusion is established. Not through some marginal member of the operation but by the man Trump chose to run his campaign.

The article is well worth the read.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:21 PM

Let's be compassionate to Manafort--he's suffering from a bad case of gout in jail. That must be almost as debilitating as bone spurs.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:36 PM

On CNN Santorum said Trump was stuck with Manafort because no one would work for his campaign.

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Santorum added there was a 99 percent chance that then-campaign manager Manafort was a “lone wolf” in his dealings with Russia and the rest of the Trump campaign was unaware of his actions

Is this going to develop into a new argument by Trump defenders? Manafort colluded but Trump didn't know about it? His campaign and election would still be tainted by it and illegitimate.

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 04:04 PM

Santorum is shooting in the dark. He doesn't know what Mueller knows and neither do the rest of us. We'll have to wait and find out.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:42 PM

Great, now Putin won't have to be quiet about his increased weaponization.

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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has announced that the U.S. is pulling out of a treaty with Russia that’s been a centerpiece of arms control since the Cold War.

The American withdrawal had been expected for months. It follows years of unresolved dispute over Russian compliance with the 1987 pact, which bans certain ground-launched cruise missiles. Russia denies violating the treaty.

Pompeo says the U.S. will suspend its obligations to the treaty on Saturday. Pompeo says that if Russia doesn’t come into compliance, the treaty “will terminate.”

U.S. officials also have expressed concern that China, which isn’t part of the treaty, is deploying large numbers of missiles in Asia that the U.S. can’t counter because it’s bound by the treaty.

It’s a U.S.-Russia treaty that’s been a centerpiece of superpower arms control since the Cold War. And its demise has some analysts worried about a new arms race.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 02:27 PM

Another Russia friendly action. Coincidence or the quid that is Trump's side of the bargain?

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 03:28 PM

Well to be fair, the Russians have been in violation for at least 5 years. Nukes are the only they can produce cost effectively. But this just makes it worse.
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Posted 02 February 2019 - 01:00 AM

https://www.youtube....h?v=8y06NSBBRtY


President Eisenhower's final address. Beware the MIC.
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Posted 02 February 2019 - 01:36 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 02 February 2019 - 01:00 AM, said:

President Eisenhower's final address. Beware the MIC.

You mean the one that Kellyann Conway's brother is part of?
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Posted 02 February 2019 - 06:17 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 02 February 2019 - 01:00 AM, said:

https://www.youtube....h?v=8y06NSBBRtY


President Eisenhower's final address. Beware the MIC.

Rhubarb. Ike was just taking the MIC.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 03:38 PM

Russia appears to be going a bit China when it comes to the internet. Here's the first part but the rest echoes what we've already seen in China in an effort to control what their citizens can see on the internet.

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Andrei Lugovoi has a certain fame outside of Russia. The former KGB officer is wanted in Great Britain for his alleged role in the murder of the dissident former spy Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006 using the very high-tech poison, polonium-210.

But in Russia, Lugovoi is now a prominent member of the State Duma, the lower house of the Federal Assembly, where last week he introduced a new legislative project which could poison the internet that many Russians, particularly younger ones, have grown used to.

The idea is to isolate Russia from the supposedly sinister and politically problematic influences of social media, much as China has done, banning or limiting Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and other websites.

It’s well known that Lugovoi represents the views of the “siloviki” or law enforcement agencies. Every time he proposes a legislative project, the parliament members know that the ideas are shared at Lubianka, the headquarters of the Federal Security Service (FSB).

In their world, the country is getting ready for war. In the world many young Russians live in—or want to live in—the internet is more about freedom and amusement, whether chatting on Facebook, checking news on Twitter, checking out entertainers on YouTube, or posting photographs on Instagram.

One day last week, for instance, two young women were laughing in the Moscow subway as they watched Yuriy Dud, who has made his YouTube rep asking celebrities uncomfortable questions. He has more than four million subscribers. Indeed, as in the West, young Russians prefer YouTube to television. At least 62 million unique users, mostly in the 20 to 35 age bracket go to the website every month, simply because “YouTube is more fun,” Polina Raskina, a second-year student at Moscow State University, told The Daily Beast.

But as government pressure mounts, that fun might soon be over. Google reportedly has agreed to cooperate with the Kremlin and has deleted about 70 percent of banned websites from its search results in Russia.

Authorities here who are talking up the possibility of war with the West do not like the idea of young people using “foreign” social media on the “American-controlled internet.” They are also girding for retaliation amid the multiple accusations by the United States and other Western powers that Russia uses the internet to influence elections and otherwise attack its adversaries.

The Daily Beast spoke with the deputy head of the Committee on Information Policy at the State Duma, Andrei Svintsov, about the new legislation.

“The time has come for Russia to secure its internet,” he said, suggesting some trial runs. “For example, we could try to disconnect one of the Russian Federation’s regions from the world’s internet, to research, provide feedback and make sure that trains do not go off the rails.”

Russian authorities plan to run a test some time before April 1. The ostensible purpose is to make sure Russian ISPs can continue to operate internally if foreign powers try act to cut the country's online access, but the the eventual result could be complete government control.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 03:50 PM

Boy that is going to go over well in academia and business.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:19 PM

View PostTraveler, on 12 February 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

Boy that is going to go over well in academia and business.
The Russians are sure to do something. They want to prevent citizens seeing outside content and want to establish rules about data being kept on servers inside Russia.

The thing that crossed my mind is malware on critical infrastructure. There will be three mechanisms, immediate attack, attack by instruction and attack by lack of instruction (no instruction saying wait a week, month etc). If Russia goes off the world grid entirely then the latter will trigger at some point.

Traveler, you may be interested to know I use the latter method. The product is programmed in system (ICSP) and the programmers memories are encrypted and require an occasional encrypted handshake. The real safeguard, however, is the two automatic test machines developed in house. If they do not get a handshake production stops - real damn quick. Smile.

I doubt I am the first. If and when Russia goes off-line then maybe tens/hundreds of thousands of software switches will activate/deactivate and lots of strange things could happen.

That said I cannot see any nation just disconnecting from the net, just not possible. I think they will develop an entirely new net service for government and critical infra-structure and put up a great fire wall for the normal net, based on the Chinese experience.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 08:55 AM

George, unfortunately, that IT stuff is beyond this mere mortal.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 10:13 AM

View PostTraveler, on 13 February 2019 - 08:55 AM, said:

George, unfortunately, that IT stuff is beyond this mere mortal.
You are not alone. The IT stuff per se in beyond my ken too.
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