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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:44 PM

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In hundreds of highly classified phone calls with foreign heads of state, President Donald Trump was so consistently unprepared for discussion of serious issues, so often outplayed in his conversations with powerful leaders like Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Erdogan, and so abusive to leaders of America's principal allies, that the calls helped convince some senior US officials -- including his former secretaries of state and defense, two national security advisers and his longest-serving chief of staff -- that the President himself posed a danger to the national security of the United States, according to White House and intelligence officials intimately familiar with the contents of the conversations.

The calls caused former top Trump deputies -- including national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, Defense Secretary James Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and White House chief of staff John Kelly, as well as intelligence officials -- to conclude that the President was often "delusional," as two sources put it, in his dealings with foreign leaders. The sources said there was little evidence that the President became more skillful or competent in his telephone conversations with most heads of state over time. Rather, he continued to believe that he could either charm, jawbone or bully almost any foreign leader into capitulating to his will, and often pursued goals more attuned to his own agenda than what many of his senior advisers considered the national interest.

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 07:28 PM

CNN, AP, NYT have all confirmed that the Russian bounty plot was included in the president's daily brief. That may explain why Trump claims he never read anything about it, since that would require...knowing how to read.

https://www.cnn.com/...fing/index.html

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 07:42 PM

View Postindy, on 29 June 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

CNN, AP, NYT have all confirmed that the Russian bounty plot was included in the president's daily brief. That may explain why Trump claims he never read anything about it, since that would require...knowing how to read.

https://www.cnn.com/...fing/index.html

Or maybe he's sure his friend wouldn't do such a thing so he ignored it.

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 07:53 PM

Is it just me, or does it feel like the knives are coming out for Trump? There may be a lot more stuff like this between now and election day.

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 09:13 PM

Trump to Retaliate Against Russia
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Posted 30 June 2020 - 02:04 AM

View PostAnBr, on 29 June 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

Trump to Retaliate Against Russia

I'll always love Andy like a brother, but these days reality is Trumping[1] him every time.

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:21 AM

2019. Twenty f***ing NINETEEN!

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Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence.

The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials. Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues at the time that he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.

The White House didn’t respond to questions about Trump or other officials’ awareness of Russia’s provocations in 2019. The White House has said Trump wasn’t — and still hasn’t been — briefed on the intelligence assessments because they haven’t been fully verified. However, it’s rare for intelligence to be confirmed without a shadow of a doubt before it is presented to top officials.

Bolton declined to comment Monday when asked by the AP if he’d briefed Trump about the matter in 2019. On Sunday, he suggested to NBC that Trump was claiming ignorance of Russia’s provocations to justify his administration’s lack of response.

“He can disown everything if nobody ever told him about it,” Bolton said.

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 12:48 PM

In case you're interested to see the level of denial on the right-wingnut side of the issue. The story is apparently "Western propaganda at its most vile." Welcome to the world of alternative facts and total defense of Dear Leader.

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All western mass media outlets are now shrieking about the story The New York Times first reported, citing zero evidence and naming zero sources, claiming intelligence says Russia paid out bounties to Taliban-linked fighters in Afghanistan for attacking the occupying forces of the US and its allies in Afghanistan. As of this writing, and probably forevermore, there have still been zero intelligence sources named and zero evidence provided for this claim.

As we discussed yesterday, the only correct response to unsubstantiated claims by anonymous spooks in a post-Iraq invasion world is to assume that they are lying until you’ve been provided with a mountain of hard, independently verifiable evidence to the contrary. The fact that The New York Times instead chose to uncritically parrot these evidence-free claims made by operatives within intelligence agencies with a known track record of lying about exactly these things is nothing short of journalistic malpractice. The fact that western media outlets are now unanimously regurgitating these still 100 percent baseless assertions is nothing short of state propaganda.

The consensus-manufacturing, Overton window-shrinking western propaganda apparatus has been in full swing with mass media outlets claiming on literally no basis whatsoever that they have confirmed one another’s “great reporting” on this completely unsubstantiated story.

“The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post have confirmed our reporting,” the NYT story’s co-author Charlie Savage tweeted hours ago.

“We have confirmed the New York Times’ scoop: A Russian military spy unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants to attack coalition forces in Afghanistan,” tweeted The Washington Post‘s John Hudson.

“We matched The New York Times’ great reporting on how US intel has assessed that Russians paid Taliban to target US, coalition forces in Afg which is a pretty stunning development,” tweeted Wall Street Journal’s Gordon Lubold.

All three of these men are lying.

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 01:27 PM

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Bolton declined to comment Monday when asked ....

Guess he's planning on writing another book. Slimeball.
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Posted 30 June 2020 - 02:48 PM

Yikes. The hole just keeps getting deeper.

"EXCLUSIVE: Data intercepts showed GRU-to-Taliban $ transfers & a key intermediary fled to Russia, bolstering earlier detainee accounts about a Russian bounty op. Trump WH omitted in its briefing to GOP lawmakers as it downplayed intel as murky/contested."

https://twitter.com/...015662649114626

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 03:21 PM

View Postindy, on 30 June 2020 - 02:48 PM, said:

Yikes. The hole just keeps getting deeper.

"EXCLUSIVE: Data intercepts showed GRU-to-Taliban $ transfers & a key intermediary fled to Russia, bolstering earlier detainee accounts about a Russian bounty op. Trump WH omitted in its briefing to GOP lawmakers as it downplayed intel as murky/contested."

https://twitter.com/...015662649114626

Dare I say ... "BUT HER EMAILS!!!"
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Posted 30 June 2020 - 04:01 PM

More like Benghazi but...real.

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 05:35 PM

View Postindy, on 30 June 2020 - 02:48 PM, said:

Yikes. The hole just keeps getting deeper.

"EXCLUSIVE: Data intercepts showed GRU-to-Taliban $ transfers & a key intermediary fled to Russia, bolstering earlier detainee accounts about a Russian bounty op. Trump WH omitted in its briefing to GOP lawmakers as it downplayed intel as murky/contested."

https://twitter.com/...015662649114626

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:50 PM

Another quick, effective Lincoln Project ad:

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 10:55 AM

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Another quick, effective Lincoln Project ad:

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 05:13 PM

The Benghazi "investigation" took 31 months IIRC. Now Republicans are soft-pedaling Russia paying to have our troops murdered. This is disgusting. There is simply NOTHING a Republican won't do if they think it's the better political play and "deny and bury" is what they view as their best play right now. The troops? F*** 'em.

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One of the few remaining areas of broad bipartisan consensus on Capitol Hill has been a tough policy toward Russia—a topic that frequently creates a stark contrast with President Trump, who has maintained personally warm ties to its leader, Vladimir Putin, and has generally followed behind Congress on Russia countermeasures.

But the cognitive dissonance between those things proved increasingly difficult to square on Tuesday for members of the GOP after The New York Times reported that Trump was briefed on a Russian effort to place bounties on U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The report said that Trump was given response options in March but had not decided on one, instead appearing to let the issue fade.

Senate Republicans, who have shown a willingness to break with the president on foreign policy and on Russia in particular, responded to the news on Tuesday with a range of responses—skepticism, brush-asides, diatribes against the media and leakers—but few seemed to treat the story as especially legitimate or worthy of all the fuss, or as a red flag regarding Trump’s posture toward Moscow.

“I think it’s fairly safe to say that a lot of the information in the New York Times article was completely false,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), a Trump ally who went to the White House on Tuesday morning for a briefing on the government’s intelligence surrounding the bounties. “Whether this should have been highlighted to the president, I certainly understand why it wasn’t. Listen, the president’s got a big job. He can’t be made aware of every piece of unverified intelligence, okay?”

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) went a step further. “I think it’s pretty well documented that the article in The New York Times was written in a way to try to embarrass the Republicans in Congress, and I think it’s pretty well documented that The New York Times hates Republicans,” he told reporters. “And so I’d rather wait, and get all the facts.”

On the other end of the GOP spectrum were other lawmakers who hadn’t yet seen the intelligence but acknowledged that, if the Russians really were enticing Taliban soldiers to kill U.S. troops with bounties, it would in fact be a big deal. “If it happened, it’s very serious,” said Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), who added that it would certainly be warranted for Congress to consider additional sanctions.

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 05:30 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 30 June 2020 - 01:27 PM, said:

Guess he's planning on writing another book. Slimeball.

I somewhat disagree. Bolton clearly knows a lot of stuff that hasn't been, and shouldn't be, made public. I'm sure he could refute everything Trump is claiming, but doing so would involve a whole bunch of classified information. In this case it is actually sensitive, and unlike the stuff in the book, not just inconvenient for Trump's re-election campaign.

But Trump's denial is ridiculous on its face. Pretty much all intelligence is based on rumors and hearsay, so saying you shouldn't pay attention until it's confirmed means you might as well bury your head in the sand. It seems like the possibility that Taliban were being paid target U.S. troops is serious enough and credible enough based on what's been reported to have been known at the time, that it should have been looked into further, and likely, proactive countermeasures to be implemented. None of which seems to have happened.
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Posted 01 July 2020 - 09:45 PM

Pompeo whined about being pushed on selling out U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo got testy with reporters who pressed him for answers on allegations that Russia offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for murdered American and NATO soldiers in Afghanistan.

The question of whether President Donald Trump knew about the bounties — and if not, why he didn’t know — has roiled the White House in recent days. Many, especially in the Democratic party, have speculated that the President prioritized his coziness with Russian President Vladimir Putin over the safety of American troops.

“So let’s back up. Let’s back up,” Pompeo said Wednesday when a reporter asked about his conversations with Russian officials after aides told him about the alleged bounties. “A lot of what you said suggests knowledge that I don’t think you actually have. I don’t want to comment on the intelligence.”

He said that his department had responded in “precisely the correct way” and that U.S. and coalition forces were “postured appropriately.”

Pompeo bristled again when another reporter, prefacing the question by acknowledging that Pompeo didn’t want to delve into underlying intelligence, asked why Trump wasn’t briefed on the bounty allegations.

“I’m not going to further jeopardize intelligence capabilities,” he responded. “I’m not going to put at risk the young men and women of Afghanistan in the same way that some news organizations have done. I just simply won’t engage in that, Kylie. It’s inappropriate, it is dangerous, and you ought not be part of that.”

He added that the President is briefed when a threat is considered “sufficiently serious.”

He snapped again towards the end of his briefing, when a reporter asked if the alleged bounties represent a major escalation from Russia.

“I’m just – I’m just – you all are going places that I’m not going to go because we have work that is important to keep our soldiers safe and I’m not going to allow you to lay down questions with facts that are asserted and say oh, he didn’t refute what I said in my question, therefore it must be true,” he said. “I’m not going to go down that path with you.”

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 10:10 PM

Sounds about like what I'd expect.

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CNN host and reporter Jim Sciutto’s upcoming book wasn’t scheduled to be released until Aug. 11, but his findings are proving to be critically important as news continues to be released about what President Donald Trump knew about the Russian plot to pay Afghan militants to kill American soldiers.

The Madman Theory: Trump Takes on the World walks through the concerning ways in which Trump refuses to not listen to any negative intelligence about Russia and President Vladimir. The White House denied that Trump was briefed on the story, but it was proven that the information was in the Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) in February. The White House, as an excuse, has said that Trump doesn’t always read the PDB.

Because Trump couldn’t read the briefing book, intelligence officials would deliver the intelligence to him orally using charts, graphs and pictures.
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“Multiple former administration officials I spoke to for my upcoming book… paint a picture of a President often unwilling to hear bad news about Russia,” wrote Sciutto. “According to one former senior intelligence official, the President’s briefers had one simple rule with Trump: never lead with Russia.”

Intel officials learned early on in the Trump administration that if there was something in Trump’s oral “flashcard” briefing that dealt with Russia’s activities against the U.S., Trump would “blow up at them, demanding to know why they kept focusing on Russia and often questioning the intelligence itself,” wrote Sciutto, citing multiple former administration officials.

“The President has created an environment that dissuades, if not prohibits, the mentioning of any intelligence that isn’t favorable to Russia,” a former senior member of Trump’s national security staff told me.

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