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Posted 07 April 2019 - 08:59 PM

The damage Trump is doing will take a very long time to repair. And yes, it may take the damage manifesting itself in the ugliest possible way to get the public's attention.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 06:51 AM

 golden_valley, on 07 April 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

Self regulation. Isn't that what we had in the Gilded Age when the robber barons were building their industrial fortunes? Isn't that why trust busting and regulations were championed by T Roosevelt and others? Must we repeat the horrible consequences of self regulation before we learn that it doesn't work?

Yes, we must.
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Posted 08 April 2019 - 09:31 AM

 golden_valley, on 07 April 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

Self regulation. Isn't that what we had in the Gilded Age when the robber barons were building their industrial fortunes?

Why do you hate successful people? Besides with a name like "the Gilded Age" how could it have been bad?
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Posted 08 April 2019 - 01:05 PM

 JackD, on 07 April 2019 - 08:59 PM, said:

The damage Trump is doing will take a very long time to repair. And yes, it may take the damage manifesting itself in the ugliest possible way to get the public's attention.

On the other hand, once they do start paying attention they will be utterly merciless to the Democrats responsible.
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Posted 20 May 2019 - 11:53 AM

The Trump administration is ready to kill some more people and lie about it all in support of more coal. Looks like Trump's experience in cooking books isn't limited to his business dealings.

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If your projections make a policy look dangerous, there’s two options—change the policy, or change the projections. The Environmental Protection Agency is reportedly planning to do the latter by adopting a new method for projecting the future health risks of air pollution. The new method has not been been peer-reviewed and is not scientifically sound, The New York Times reports, citing five people said to have knowledge of the plan. The change would drastically lower an estimate made last year by the Trump administration that as many as 1,400 more people could die prematurely each year under a proposed new rule on emissions from coal plants. Lowering the projections would make it much easier to defend the new regulation, known as the Affordable Clean Energy rule. “Particulate matter is extremely harmful and it leads to a large number of premature deaths,” said Richard L. Revesz, an expert in environmental law at New York University. He called the expected change a “monumental departure” from the approach used over the past several decades.

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 10:19 AM

I was originally going to put this in Non-Political and then I read the connection to Donald Trump's anti-science, pro-poison agenda.

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About 2,000 miles away from the Dominican Republic, in a little town in New Mexico, one of the world’s authorities on criminal poisoning is following the mysterious deaths and illnesses of Americans on that Caribbean island—and he, like others, is alarmed.

Six apparently healthy, middle-aged tourists from the United States have abruptly dropped dead in hotel rooms on their dream vacations in the D.R. since June 2018. Others have fallen seriously ill—all from what could be deadly pesticides.

More people are coming forward to say their loved ones died in the D.R. under strange circumstances in the past year, including real estate mogul Barbara Corcoran, who said on Wednesday her otherwise healthy brother passed away at a resort there in April, supposedly of a heart attack.

Confusing the issue are a recent series of apparently random acts of violence in the D.R. that aren’t connected to the hotel room deaths.

Mexico, Jamaica and the Seychelles have made headlines in recent years after tourists said they were assaulted and/or robbed, often after being drugged with tainted alcohol. But the Dominican Republic, almost overnight, has gone them one better with chilling accounts that could be out of a Stephen King novel or an Agatha Christie mystery.

“I’ve been watching these incidences and they’re very odd,” says John Trestrail, a forensic and clinical toxicologist who headed a major hospital poison center for 32 years, was an FBI consultant, and now runs the Center for the Study of Criminal Poisoning in Los Lunos, New Mexico. Among the many cases about which he has been consulted in the past: the poisoning of Kim Jong Un’s half-brother at the Kuala Lumpur airport in 2017.

Speaking of the Dominican Republic incidents, Trestrail told The Daily Beast, “The tough part is trying to figure it out from so far away. What’s most troubling are the people who die together at the same time from the same symptoms. You first think carbon monoxide poisoning, but this doesn’t fit that. I keep hearing that the victims’ lungs were filled with fluids. So I think, OK, how about organophosphate pesticides?

Organophosphates and phosphine from aluminum phosphide are lethal chemicals used for, among other things, hotel room fumigation. They’re not always regulated in developing countries and accidental poisonings involving humans are thought to be a serious, although underreported problem, especially on the Indian subcontinent. They’ve been mentioned only rarely in connection with suspicious deaths of tourists and others around the world in recent years, but it is troubling that there is little transparency, awareness or accountability about their use.

The U.S. has controlled pesticides more stringently than many other countries for decades. But last spring Dow Chemical, which contributed $1 million to President Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities, asked the government to dismiss a study indicating that three organophosphates used in the U.S. were harmful to every endangered species studied. Obama-era regulators were poised to issue new limits on how organophosphate pesticides could be used. But that’s on hold now that Trump has asked for a two-year delay to review the study and determine whether to set new limits or not.


Of course that doesn't mean foreign countries misusing pesticides have anything to do with Trump, just that he's perfectly happy importing their brand of deadly poisoning to the U.S. ... as long as it doesn't impact him.
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Posted 24 June 2019 - 04:39 PM

A look at where Trump and his minions are trying to drag us back to. These are the "good old days" of environmental protection when there was none.

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Fifty years ago today, on June 22, 1969, the Cuyahoga river in Cleveland, Ohio caught fire.

At the time, the river was one of the most polluted in the US. Journalists filled glasses with pitch-black river water, while politicians dipped cloth into the waves that came up oil-soaked.

The river fire lasted roughly 20 minutes, but it sparked public outrage that in part led to the creation of the US Environmental Protection Agency, the federal office tasked with making sure "Americans have clean air, land, and water."

Take a look at what the Cuyahoga River — and other waters around the US — looked like before the EPA existed.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 09:25 PM

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Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:27 AM

View PostAnBr, on 24 June 2019 - 09:25 PM, said:

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That's the patina of wealth you f***ing socialist.
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 01:34 PM

View PostAnBr, on 24 June 2019 - 09:25 PM, said:

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 12:46 AM

View PostAnBr, on 24 June 2019 - 09:25 PM, said:

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George Washington Bridge III? I know I'm bleeding this joke white, but googling would probably turn up a living American called George Washington Bridge. (At first I didn't believe there was a real person called John Wayne Gacy).

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 03:31 PM

Trump wants to expand offshore drilling. Here's yet another reason not to. The top people at this company need to go to jail.

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The federal government is looking into the details from the longest running oil spill in U.S. history, and it's looking far worse than the oil rig owner let on, as The New York Times reported.

The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico received little public attention when it happened in September 2004, but it has been steadily leaking as much as 4,500 gallons a day, not three or four gallons per day as Taylor Energy Company, the rig owner, claimed, according to a new study by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). And that's a conservative estimate, the report said.

Oil and gas have been seeping out of the leak that started 12 miles off the Louisiana coast when an underwater mudslide caused pipes to rupture and a production platform to sink during Hurricane Ivan. Taylor successfully capped nine wells, but said it couldn't cap 16.

Taylor Energy Company, which sold its assets in 2008, estimated that the leak has been minimal based on oil sheen on the surface of the water. The company argued that between 2.4 to four gallons of oil dribble out per day when it asked a federal court to release it from a cleanup order. The company's executives asserted that oil plumes from the sea floor are from oil-soaked sediment around the sunken platform and that any rising gas is from living organisms, according to The New York Times.

"The results of this study contradict these conclusions," the report, issued on Monday by NOAA and Florida State University, concluded.

In fact, the researchers directly refuted the sediment claim, stating that since the oil is only mildly biodegraded it cannot be from built-up sediment, as the AP reported.

"While it is feasible that the heavily oiled sediments in and around the erosional pit could be contributing to oil in the water column, the chemical nature and volume of oil and gas measured precludes sediments from currently being the major source of oil to the marine environment," the report says.

Using sonar technology and a newly developed "bubblometer" — a tool for analyzing oil and gas bubbles rising through the water — the researchers determined that the plumes stem from oil and gas from several wells. They also estimated that as many as 108 barrels of oil, or just over 4,500 gallons, have spilled into the Gulf daily since the underwater mudslide, as The New York Times reported.


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The NOAA report comes out just as the Trump administration wants to open the entire U.S. coastline to drilling and plans to rollback safety regulations put in place after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon explosion in the Gulf of Mexico.

"This is an unresolved, ongoing leak 14 years later," said Daniel Jacobs, author of BP Blowout: Inside the Gulf Oil Disaster, as The New York Times reported. "This is yet another indication that we are not ready to expand offshore drilling."

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 03:46 PM

The Trump administration's latest attack is on the Endangered Species Act, something Republicans have wanted to rip to shreds for a long time. They will destroy our planet and everything on it in the name of greater profits.

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In a move that critics say will hurt plants, animals and other species as they face mounting threats, the Trump administration is making major changes to how the Endangered Species Act is implemented. The U.S. Department of Interior on Monday announced a suite of long-anticipated revisions to the nation's premier wildlife conservation law, which is credited with bringing back the bald eagle and grizzly bears, among other species.

Republican lawmakers and industry groups celebrated the revisions, some of the broadest changes in the way the act is applied in its nearly 50-year history.

They come at a moment of crisis for many of the world's plant and animal species. As many as 1 million species are at risk of extinction — many within decades — according to a recent U.N. report.

Wildlife groups and Democratic lawmakers, pointing to that document, are promising to challenge the new rules in Congress and in court. "Now is the time to strengthen the ESA, not cripple it," said New Mexico Sen. Tom Udall on a press call.

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 04:45 PM

Trump continues to push for relaxed fuel economy standards in the future. Auto manufacturers, in conjunction with the state of California, don't want them. Trump is livid. Why? Because Big Oil doesn't want us burning less fuel. Once again we see that the entire Republican Party isn't just for sale, it's already been bought and paid for.

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President Trump on Wednesday tweeted a defense of his administration’s weakening of fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks, citing safety benefits. It’s a change that automakers have already said they don’t want. And according to internal emails from the Environmental Protection Agency released in 2018, the rule change would increase highway fatalities.

In fact, four car companies — Volkswagen, BMW, Ford, and Honda — signed a surprise deal with the state of California earlier this summer to set stricter mileage rules for themselves than what the Trump administration proposed.

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My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3000, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Very little impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
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According to the New York Times, this sudden side deal with California so infuriated the White House that a senior official summoned leaders from Toyota, Fiat Chrysler, and General Motors in July to pressure them to support the administration’s policy.

But once the deal was announced, several other car companies said they were open to signing on as well. Mercedes-Benz is now preparing to join the California accord, the New York Times reported.

The California agreement would put car companies on course to average 51 miles per gallon across all their sales by 2026. This is weaker than the standard set under President Obama, but much stronger than Trump’s proposal.

The Obama rules restricted tailpipe emissions of carbon dioxide from light-duty vehicles but gave companies several ways to comply. Meeting that target just by increasing fuel economy would have required car companies to average 54.5 miles per gallon across sales of cars, trucks, SUVs, and crossovers by 2025.

Some car companies thought this target was too aggressive, so when Trump came to office, these manufacturers petitioned to have the standard revised. But carmakers got way more than they bargained for: The Trump administration decided to freeze mileage standards after 2020, which would hold average fuel economy at just 37 miles per gallon.

The state of California, which has a waiver from federal rules to set its own fuel economy and emissions standards, said it wanted to uphold the Obama standard. In response, the EPA threatened to revoke California’s waiver.

That put California and the federal government on a collision course, with car manufacturers in the middle. California is the largest market for new cars in the United States, so it’s impossible for carmakers to ignore. Another 12 states and the District of Columbia have also adopted California’s vehicle emissions standards.

So auto companies were faced with the prospect of having two very different standards to meet across the country, or having to wait for the dust to settle from what was sure to be a long, messy legal fight.

To justify the rollback, the Trump administration has cited safety as its main concern. The reasoning is that new cars are safer than old cars, but forcing carmakers to meet tougher efficiency rules makes new cars more expensive. That means people end up driving their older, less safe cars for longer, according to the EPA’s published analysis.

The EPA publicly said the Trump rule change would save 1,000 lives per year, but an internal email from staffers obtained by the Associated Press showed that they expected the revision to actually increase highway deaths by 17 per year, undermining the EPA’s bizarre rationale.

Increasing fuel economy is an important tool for limiting air pollution and reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The transportation sector is now the largest source of carbon dioxide in the United States. Cars and trucks account for about 20 percent of all US carbon emissions.

So why is the Trump administration so insistent on relaxing a regulation beyond what the auto industry wants? Because oil producers want cars and trucks to use more fuel. As the New York Times reported in December, oil companies see higher fuel efficiency standards as a threat:

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 12:13 PM

More Trumpian destruction. I guess he's feeling competitive with Bolsonaro's destruction of the Amazonian forest.

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President Trump has directed Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue to exempt the world’s largest intact temperate rainforest—Alaska’s Tongass National Forest—from logging restrictions imposed nearly 20 years ago, three people familiar with the issue told The Washington Post. The Post reports that the move would open more than half of the 16.7-million-acre forest to potential logging, energy, and mining projects. Trump’s decision would be a blow to a policy instated by former President Bill Clinton that barred commercial logging and forbid the construction of roads except when the Forest Service approves specific projects. Republican Gov. Mike Dunleavy and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) have been vocal opponents of the rule and have urged Trump to exempt their state from the rule. Murkowski has claimed the rule has harmed southern Alaska’s ability to develop a sustainable, year-round economy, as it bars commercial logging.

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 12:39 PM

You wonder whether any company in their right mind will actually take up this so called opening. First, there will no doubt be a legal challenge. That will take months to go through the courts. Second, it will be immediately rescinded January 2021. So the actual window is open for a very short time, if at all. This assumes that any leases granted in the window can be revoked. Speaking of which, what would happen for the North Slope and ANWR leases?
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Posted 03 September 2019 - 04:06 PM

North Dakota may be hiding a massive oil spill. If we had a functional EPA this would be under investigation but, of course, everybody continues to act like good Germans Republicans and ignore it so people don't hear just how awful pipelines can be.

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In July 2015 workers at the Garden Creek I Gas Processing Plant, in Watford City, North Dakota, noticed a leak in a pipeline and reported a spill to the North Dakota Department of Health that remains officially listed as 10 gallons, the size of two bottled water delivery jugs.

But a whistle-blower has revealed to DeSmog the incident is actually on par with the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska, which released roughly 11 million gallons of thick crude.

The Garden Creek spill “is in fact over 11 million gallons of condensate that leaked through a crack in a pipeline for over 3 years,” says the whistle-blower, who has expertise in environmental science but refused to be named or give other background information for fear of losing their job. They provided to DeSmog a document that details remediation efforts and verifies the spill’s monstrous size.

“Up to 5,500,000 gallons” of hydrocarbons have been removed from the site, the 2018 document states, “based upon an…estimate of approximately 11 million gallons released.”

Garden Creek is operated by the Oklahoma-based oil and gas service company, ONEOK Partners, and processes natural gas and natural gas liquids, also called natural gas condensate, brought to the facility via pipeline from Bakken wells.

Neither the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), which monitors coastal spills, nor the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) could provide records to put the spill’s size in context, but according to available reports, if the 11-million-gallon figure is accurate, the Garden Creek spill appears to be among the largest recorded oil and gas industry spills in the history of the United States.

However, the American public is unaware, because the spill remains officially listed as just 10 gallons. That is despite the fact that a North Dakota regulator has acknowledged the spill was much larger, and even the official record, right after stating the spill was 10 gallons, notes that the area was “saturated with natural gas condensate of an unknown volume,” and thus may have been larger.

Scott Skokos, Executive Director of the Dakota Resource Council, an organization that works to protect North Dakota’s natural resources and family farms, questioned whether it was legal for the state to cover up or downplay spills.

“I have seen many instances where it appears spills are being covered up, and there appears to be a pattern of downplaying spills, which makes the narrative surrounding oil and gas development look rosy and makes the industry look better politically,” says Skokos. “If this pattern is as widespread as it seems, then we have a government that is conspiring to protect the oil industry. This is not only reckless and unethical, but also potentially illegal.”

“In my view,” Skokos added, “this is not looking out for the best interest of the state or the people who live in the state, it is only looking out for corporations. And these are not even corporate citizens of this state, they are corporate citizens of somewhere else.”


The details that follow on how bad things have been for years are staggering. North Dakota regulators are pretty much owned by the gas and oil industry. They're allowing their people and farms to be poisoned for the money that's coming in now. It's a f***ing Republican Randian Paradise.
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:19 PM

More externalizing of costs brought to you by the Trump administration.

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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers officially repealed the Clean Water Rule today, undoing critical protections for streams, wetlands, and other smaller bodies of water at risk of pollution. The new rule makes it easier for oil drillers, industrial sites, developers, and other polluters to contaminate these waters.

“The Trump administration’s wild-eyed attempts to reward polluters knows no bounds, so it is repealing these important protections without regard for the law or sound science,” says Jon Devine, director of federal water policy at NRDC.

Passed in 2015, the Clean Water Rule, also known as Waters of the United States, clarifies which bodies of water are covered under the landmark Clean Water Act. It formalizes protections in less clear cases—say, for streams that only flow when it rains but are nonetheless essential to the health of larger rivers, lakes, and estuaries. It also protects wetlands that are not directly connected to large bodies of water; wetlands cover roughly 110 million acres in the continental United States, filtering pollution from contamination runoff and replenishing groundwater. They also play a key role in the ecosystem.

“The Clean Water Rule represented solid science and smart public policy,” Devine says. “Where it has been enforced, it has protected important waterways and wetlands, providing certainty to all stakeholders.” The Clean Water Rule is based on years of research—the EPA and Army Corps officials reviewed 1,200 scientific publications and confirmed that streams and wetlands are connected to downstream waters in important ways.

“This unsubstantiated action is illegal,” Devine says, “and will certainly be challenged in court.”

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:16 AM

This is a debacle. Thankfully, it wont go anywhere, and a new administration will clean out the Augean stables worth of graft and double dealing.
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Posted 13 September 2019 - 10:18 AM

My hope is that there are scientists, environmentalists, and most of all Democrats who are tracking every single one of these travesties so that when a Democrat takes the White House they can be reversed in less than a year. Trump is undoing decades of environmental advances in a matter of years. The Dems should be prepared to step up the pace.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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