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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:37 PM

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Fake news can distort people’s beliefs even after being debunked. For example, repeated over and over, a story such as the one about the Pope endorsing Trump can create a glow around a political candidate that persists long after the story is exposed as fake. A study recently published in the journal Intelligence suggests that some people may have an especially difficult time rejecting misinformation. Asked to rate a fictitious person on a range of character traits, people who scored low on a test of cognitive ability continued to be influenced by damaging information about the person even after they were explicitly told the information was false. The study is significant because it identifies what may be a major risk factor for vulnerability to fake news.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:05 PM

Can't we just tell these people that eating detergent pods will make them more successful and let evolution take care of the rest?
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:59 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 12 February 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

Can't we just tell these people that eating detergent pods will make them more successful and let evolution take care of the rest?

They TOLD us there was a down side to the nanny-state safety regulations! Now these people are making it to adult-hood.

“Sure, the sign says “Danger, high voltage”. Fake News, “THEY” just don’t want you to seeehat’s in there!

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:57 AM

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 06:05 PM

Interesting piece in WaPo:

https://www.washingt...m=.108313d85cd5

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[Blair] had launched his new website on Facebook during the 2016 presidential campaign as a practical joke among friends — a political satire site started by Blair and a few other liberal bloggers who wanted to make fun of what they considered to be extremist ideas spreading throughout the far right. In the last two years on his page, America’s Last Line of Defense, Blair had made up stories about California instituting sharia, former president Bill Clinton becoming a serial killer, undocumented immigrants defacing Mount Rushmore, and former president Barack Obama dodging the Vietnam draft when he was 9. “Share if you’re outraged!” his posts often read, and thousands of people on Facebook had clicked “like” and then “share,” most of whom did not recognize his posts as satire. Instead, Blair’s page had become one of the most popular on Facebook among Trump-supporting conservatives over 55.

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 06:31 AM

It is a well known fact that memories blend over time. Fake news gets entangled with reality, colors it and shades it, and that is exactly it's purpose. I hope Musk really does create that truth website.
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 09:40 AM

View PostGeorge Powell, on 26 November 2018 - 06:31 AM, said:

I hope Musk really does create that truth website.

Or at least takes that ride to Mars.
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 10:34 AM

View PostGeorge Powell, on 26 November 2018 - 06:31 AM, said:

It is a well known fact that memories blend over time. Fake news gets entangled with reality, colors it and shades it, and that is exactly it's purpose. I hope Musk really does create that truth website.

It wouldn't matter. None of this is new info. The brain science behind this was utilized decades ago by the RW media to send talk radio and then Fox News into the stratosphere. It wasn't just about confirmation bias, but also about tone and tenor. Susceptible minds respond best to CB delivered nastily AND can be communicated with short declarations instead of longer explanations. Content like this is easier to digest than the truth which often requires thought from places higher up than the amygdala. And of course today we have so many other avenues of delivery. FB/Twitter etc.are much bigger influencers than any of the other vehicles combined. Super helpful when the President of the United States has 55 million followers who can pass it on, feel smart. He knows knows exactly how to speak to grab lower emotional thought.
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 07:27 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 26 November 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

It wouldn't matter. None of this is new info. The brain science behind this was utilized decades ago by the RW media to send talk radio and then Fox News into the stratosphere. It wasn't just about confirmation bias, but also about tone and tenor. Susceptible minds respond best to CB delivered nastily AND can be communicated with short declarations instead of longer explanations. Content like this is easier to digest than the truth which often requires thought from places higher up than the amygdala. And of course today we have so many other avenues of delivery. FB/Twitter etc.are much bigger influencers than any of the other vehicles combined. Super helpful when the President of the United States has 55 million followers who can pass it on, feel smart. He knows knows exactly how to speak to grab lower emotional thought.
I am going to say it again. When will the DEMs learn enough is enough and copy them. Yes, copy, copy, copy them. As a young man I brought the 'Law' of what I thought was ethical into my life and upset almost everyone. It was an unrewarding slog and with my hands tied behind my back by my own sanctity I could not help anybody and that actually is the conscionable thing. There is something higher than rewarding yourself for being scrupulous and that is creating a fair society. It is great to have pious thoughts but if you do not get elected then it is all self serving. When will the DEMs get real?
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 08:24 PM

Nothing In This Page Is Real - An article at WaPo that illustrates how easy it is to fool the right-wingnuts and how they continue consuming and believing obvious bullshit even when it is labeled as such. The piece is depressing for those who want to have faith in Trumpian / Republican America (the same thing anymore).
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 08:44 PM

View PostLFC, on 26 November 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nothing In This Page Is Real - An article at WaPo that illustrates how easy it is to fool the right-wingnuts and how they continue consuming and believing obvious bullshit even when it is labeled as such. The piece is depressing for those who want to have faith in Trumpian / Republican America (the same thing anymore).

And people question whether Facebook could have influenced enough people to vote for Trump to allow him to win the electoral college.

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 09:32 PM

I think it is time we revisited the genius of Goebbels and give him the honor he deserves.
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 10:01 PM

View PostGeorge Powell, on 26 November 2018 - 09:32 PM, said:

I think it is time we revisited the genius of Goebbels and give him the honor he deserves.

Well, there is Roger Ailes who plotted Republican friendly "news" that became the blueprint for Faux Noise where they do the thinking for you.
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Posted 26 November 2018 - 11:08 PM

View PostAnBr, on 26 November 2018 - 10:01 PM, said:

Well, there is Roger Ailes who plotted Republican friendly "news" that became the blueprint for Faux Noise where they do the think for you.
After the Iraq war and the CIA, the Pentagon, uncle Tom Cobbly all said Saddam had no WMD weapons and had not collaborated with terrorists Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were still regularly quoting WMD and Terrorism to justify their invasion - but the terrifying thing is that 60% of all Americans continued to believe them.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:15 AM

View PostPractical Girl, on 26 November 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

It wouldn't matter. None of this is new info. The brain science behind this was utilized decades ago by the RW media to send talk radio and then Fox News into the stratosphere. It wasn't just about confirmation bias, but also about tone and tenor. Susceptible minds respond best to CB delivered nastily AND can be communicated with short declarations instead of longer explanations. Content like this is easier to digest than the truth which often requires thought from places higher up than the amygdala. And of course today we have so many other avenues of delivery. FB/Twitter etc.are much bigger influencers than any of the other vehicles combined. Super helpful when the President of the United States has 55 million followers who can pass it on, feel smart. He knows knows exactly how to speak to grab lower emotional thought.
You may be interested in the case of Maggie Thatcher and Saatchi and Saatchi. Maggie was woefully unprepared for leadership. She spoke with a soft squeaky voice, was timid, her teeth protruding and anything but a leader. at the time Saatchi and Saatchi were an unknown PR company but the Tory central committee hired them for a makeover on Maggie.
They taught her to lower her tone and become louder. They played with the way she punctuated her speech, in particular never winding down at the end of a sentence to let somebody in. They dictated her hairstyle, they changed all her front teeth, they dictated her clothing. She ended up becoming the iron lady with 'true leadership' qualities.

Saatchi and Saatchi who were unknown became famous overnight. I include a link to a Guardian article. I would like to know why would be democrat leaders do not go for a Saatchi makeover too. Perhaps pride.

"Thatcher’s legacy fascinates many people to this day. They marvel at the level of her devotion to her country, a level so great that she was willing to change how she looked, spoke, and acted in order to return her country to its former glory while still maintaining her strong Conservative values."


Thatcher herself wrote in her memoirs
"Every politician has to decide how much he or she is prepared to change manner and appearance for the sake of the media," she wrote in her memoirs. "It may sound grittily honorable to refuse to make any concessions, but such an attitude in a public figure is most likely to betray a lack of seriousness about winning power."


https://intpolicydig...garet-thatcher/

https://www.independ...ory-744791.html
https://www.theguard...servative-party
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 10:48 AM

George- Yes. The Thatcher transformation is a famous example of a pol re-making herself to please the people. It exists to this day, usually within political consultants. Yes, Democrats go through it too, albeit usually just on the surface. Interestingly, the Saatchi brothers had no initial interest in politics. Around the time they got involved in the arena, they'd been acquired by a conservative agency with an agenda. Saatchi's considered the Conservative party just another account. Money was lovely, but that was about as far as it went. Their acquiring partners were much more activist.

You ask:

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When will the DEMs learn enough is enough and copy them.

This, I think, is at once simple and complicated. Remember- liberals tried for their own sort of competing media when talk radio was king. 90% of the content on radio airwaves was conservative/right wing. Air America was a network that tried to compete. Their business model was FUBAR, and in an effort to connect with liberals, they packed their talent house with US movie/sitcom stars/comedians. Seems smart but actually a failure, since most of those tapped were fabulous at delivering others' written lines. But they stunk at what it takes to carry a free-flowing show for 3 hours.

Back to brain science: It's well known that liberals are ruled by parts of the brain higher in function that RWers, dedicated to reason etc. Thus, the traditional model of 3 hours of nasty, fear-based content simply won't work well. Humor and snark hits us viscerally which is why Jon Stewart and his stable of talent, Bill Maher etc. connect.

Here, though, is where I see a possible wrinkle. I do see the possibility of connecting to the fear and self-preservation centers with the GOPers' constant threats to medical insurance, access and Medicare. One can think whatever about the Boomer generation, but we have grown up on the promise of these protective measures to aid in aging. We'll see, but I do expect this to be front and center in 2020 in a way it hasn't been for a long time.
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“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”


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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:49 PM

Practical Girl : I keep forgetting I am not talking to idiots any more.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:59 PM

View PostGeorge Powell, on 28 November 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

Practical Girl : I keep forgetting I am not talking to idiots any more.

I can go all Poe's Law on your ass if it would make you feel more comfortable or bring a little smile to your face.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 01:51 PM

View PostLFC, on 28 November 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

I can go all Poe's Law on your ass if it would make you feel more comfortable or bring a little smile to your face.
No, but re-arranging your sentence has possibilities :)
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 02:12 PM

View PostGeorge Powell, on 28 November 2018 - 12:15 AM, said:

"Thatcher’s legacy fascinates many people to this day. They marvel at the level of her devotion to her country, a level so great that she was willing to change how she looked, spoke, and acted in order to return her country to its former glory while still maintaining her strong Conservative values."
I threw up in mouth a little when I read that..
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