Jump to content


GOP & Trump Government Shutdown Threats


466 replies to this topic

#201 Rich T Bikkies

    Trainee Basil Fawlty. Practising Victor Meldrew

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4131 posts
  • LocationBirmingham, UK

Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:54 AM

View PostAnBr, on 08 January 2019 - 08:57 PM, said:

Someone noted that since the red states receive the lion's share of federal dollars the shutdown will disproportionately affect them.

That'll learn 'em to vote Nazi! Except it won't; they'll blame Hillary or something. LOCK HER UP!!!
Reality is a hallucination caused by alcohol deprivation.

Only Satan can rebuke sin. The righteous don't know enough.

God is not dead. He was merely voted out of office.

You can do anything with anybody if you just save them the trouble of thinking.

#202 D. C. Sessions

    I don't have to pretend to be an adult any more

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9449 posts
  • LocationCentral New Mexico

Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:32 AM

View PostJackD, on 08 January 2019 - 10:04 PM, said:

Pretty flat affect in the speech from the Oval Office. Nothing's changed.

Apparently he can only deliver a straight, on-topic speech when:
  • Reading from a teleprompter [1]
  • Tranked to the comb-over.
[1] Wasn't there something about Obama needing a teleprompter?
The way a lot of catastrophes happen is that X doesn't occur because there are safeguards in place, therefore people assume X isn't a worry and they remove the safeguards. Then X happens.
— Nate Silver
"Robots aren't the problem. Capitalism is." -- Last words of Stephen Hawking.
These days, "libertarian" is just a euphemism for a Nazi who's afraid to commit.
"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." -- Heather Heyer
"I'd rather have my child, but by golly, if I gotta give her up, we're gonna make it count." -- Her mother
"Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events." -- some RINO

#203 andydp

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 3677 posts
  • LocationUpstate NY near Albany

Posted 09 January 2019 - 10:10 AM

View PostAnBr, on 08 January 2019 - 08:57 PM, said:

Someone noted that since the red states receive the lion's share of federal dollars the shutdown will disproportionately affect them.

A blinding flash of the obvious:

New York sends billions more to DC than it receives



Albany


New York already sends much more in taxes to federal coffers than it gets back in federal spending, and federal tax law changes for 2018 by the administration of President Donald Trump are unlikely to reverse that.



https://www.timesuni...ns-13517879.php
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Rev Martin Luther King Jr.


Obamacare took my guns away and put me in a FEMA reeducation camp.

Anonymous

If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we have the military pay to protecting the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes up very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.


DC Coronata

#204 golden_valley

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 5592 posts
  • LocationNorthern California

Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:28 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 09 January 2019 - 09:32 AM, said:

  • Tranked to the comb-over.


+1000 Whenever he has to deliver a particular message without riffing on it, meds are part of the equation.


Yeah that evil teleprompter told Obama what to say. Trump needs a teleprompter and meds to get him to focus on it.

#205 baw1064

    formerly of the public sector

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4800 posts
  • LocationEarthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanos--oh my!

Posted 09 January 2019 - 04:50 PM

POTUS needs a timeout--and maybe his blankey!

Trump walks out on Pelosi and Schumer "total waste of time"
“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” --Dr. Seuss

#206 AnBr

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 12982 posts

Posted 09 January 2019 - 11:17 PM

Democratic rebuttal had higher ratings than Trump's address
Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

#207 Traveler

    Rambling Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 13036 posts
  • LocationPhilly Area

Posted 14 January 2019 - 02:57 PM

Polls pretty well slam the POG and its dump. Funny, some 30% blame Dems. Wonder who they are. Well over 50% blame the dump, and the POG. Which means the so called sensible wing of the POG is getting fed up. Our bonds are held since the SBA is shut down. Just a microcosm of what folks across the US are experiencing.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."-- Winston Churchill
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" Voltaire

#208 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 15 January 2019 - 03:41 PM

View PostAnBr, on 09 January 2019 - 11:17 PM, said:


Fake news! Trump had the highest ratings ever! Well over 100%!
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#209 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 15 January 2019 - 03:43 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 09 January 2019 - 04:50 PM, said:

POTUS needs a timeout--and maybe his blankey!

Trump walks out on Pelosi and Schumer "total waste of time"

View PostTraveler, on 14 January 2019 - 02:57 PM, said:

Polls pretty well slam the POG and its dump. Funny, some 30% blame Dems. Wonder who they are. Well over 50% blame the dump, and the POG. Which means the so called sensible wing of the POG is getting fed up.

From Baw's link Trump again makes it clear that it's his shutdown so Traveler's link shouldn't be a shock.

Quote

"Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!" Trump said.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#210 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 15 January 2019 - 06:38 PM

Somebody posted this up on Facebook. They didn't have a link, just cut and pasted, and I'm doing the same. I thought it summed things up very well.

Quote

A quick civics lesson:

Just before the government shutdown began, the Senate, led by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (a Republican) overwhelmingly passed a bipartisan bill that would have kept the government open.

The then-Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (a Republican) refused to allow the House to even vote on that bill knowing it would likely pass with a veto-proof majority.

For those who might not know, if a president vetoes a bill, if two-thirds of both the House and the Senate vote against that president’s veto, they can override it, thus enacting that bill.

That’s called “checks and balances,” a key component our Founding Fathers put into our Constitution.

Fast forward a few weeks to when Democrats took power in the House of Representatives. They passed essentially the same exact veto-proof bill the Senate had overwhelmingly approved just a couple of weeks earlier that would reopen the government.

Only now, the same Sen. McConnell who let the passage of that bill before, won’t allow the Senate to vote on it — because he knows it would pass, thus forcing Trump to veto it, which would embarrass the party and expose their incompetence.

Keep in mind, this all centers around a lie Trump repeatedly told during his campaign (and even now) that Mexico was going to pay for his stupid wall, a wall he now wants the American taxpayer to fund.

Republicans controlled all of Congress and the White House for the past two years. If funding this wall was such a major issue, they would have done it — they didn’t. Repeatedly, his own party refused to pass spending bills that gave Trump money for that pointless wall.

This isn’t about border security, no matter how many time Trump tells that lie. This is about his ego and his pathetic attempt to distract people from the constantly-growing list of scandals, legal troubles, and embarrassing administration departures he’s been dealing with over the last several weeks.

If our government was functioning how our Founding Fathers meant for it to, our government would have never shut down.

First it was a Republican, Paul Ryan, refusing to let the House vote on the bill the Senate passed. Now it’s hypocritical Sen. Mitch McConnell, a Republican, doing the same thing with the recently-passed House bill.

Two frauds who refused to allow a bill to be voted on to keep the government open/reopen it, not because they opposed it, but because they were afraid it would pass and embarrass their party’s “president.”

This is not how democracy works. This is not how our government is supposed to work.

Donald Trump and the GOP are the only ones to blame for this political stunt.

AUTHOR: Allen Clifton..

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#211 andydp

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 3677 posts
  • LocationUpstate NY near Albany

Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:13 PM

I am happy the Democrats are showing a united front (for once)

Democrats turn down White House invitation for shutdown talks


No Democrats attended a lunch on Tuesday with President Trump designed to reach an agreement to end the government shutdown and fund a border wall, as the president’s attempt to force leaders back to the negotiating table fell flat.

Trump invited several moderate House Democrats to the White House in an effort to undermine Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who has refused to grant Trump his demand for $5.7 billion in wall funding. But the group turned down the invitation.



https://thehill.com/...-shutdown-talks
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Rev Martin Luther King Jr.


Obamacare took my guns away and put me in a FEMA reeducation camp.

Anonymous

If you've got public schools paid for by taxpayers, you're in a socialist nation. If you have public roads paid for by taxpayers, socialist nation. If you've got public defense (police, fire, military, coast guard) paid for by tax dollars, socialist nation. If you're in a nation that has nationalized or localized delivery of services that are not paid for by users alone, you're in a socialist nation- the only question is how socialist. As I see it, we have the military pay to protecting the shipping lanes for our fuel needs which makes up very socialist. In a capitalist nation, the people supplying the oil would pay for their own defense force.


DC Coronata

#212 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:32 PM

View Postandydp, on 16 January 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:

No Democrats attended a lunch on Tuesday withPresident Trump designed to reach an agreement to end the government shutdown and fund a border wall, as the president’s attempt to force leaders back to the negotiating table fell flat.

Trump invited several moderate House Democrats to the White House in an effort to undermine Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who has refused to grant Trump his demand for $5.7 billion in wall funding. But the group turned down the invitation.


So much for "The Art of the Deal." This numbnuts is in way over his head when it comes to doing anything substantive. Plus he's up against Pelosi, one of the sharpest cookies in Congress, and Schumer who is also highly experienced. How soon before he runs into the comforting arms of his deplorables with yet another rally? I don't think Trump is having much fun at all anymore.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#213 Practical Girl

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 8105 posts
  • LocationAustin TX

Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:34 PM

I haven't hid my disgust with this whole thing. Both sides think they have the winning hand, and so the standoff continues. We Democrats KNOW, fo' sure, that the one who starts the shutdown ends up owning it and ending it. Trump is, well, insane. He has at least gotten what he's always wanted. The Biggest in history...

As we all snark our way through this, we have to remember upon whose backs it sits. Jesus- go back to when you were young and living paycheck to paycheck- if you ever did. Some of us have experienced that. Know now that, even if you've tried to plan for an emergency, this is the one you can't plan for. Everybody comes after you, for all those little things, like rent and food. You've lived your whole life in dignity, and yet now it's time for a food pantry- a failure, to you-gainfully employed lol. And please Jesus let the good folks of our area understand how much extra needs to be stocked here, now.

Beg your landlord to help you make it through. Try for reason- hey, we'll get back pay...Which isn't yet a guarantee.

See, then, how moved you are over Pelosi's latest tactic re: lack of security at the State of The Union. Ooooo- Now, I get it, but these are the rich and powerful. Can certainly find places to be, outside of the areas that may not be as secure. Doesn't quite have the same impact as a face-off, but hey- succession is a big deal... Lack of security?

I only wish that Pelosi could really see how deaf upon the real people's ears this is falling. I know- there will be a poll etc. etc. But honest to goodness- "lack of security" means two different things to different economic groups. And you know? They each fear for their own lives.

Meanwhile, who the hell cares about those folks? Pop-up restaurants to serve the affected are popping up. None more relevant than Jose Andres'- a mile from the White House. Well, at least they'll get some kick-ass food... I have no humor nor snark left.
Every woman needs a blowtorch.
---Julia Child


--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”


--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"

--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
Ernest Hemingway

#214 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:45 PM

Trump is desperate. He's forcing more government employees back to work without pay.

Quote

The Internal Revenue Service is recalling about 46,000 of its employees furloughed by the government shutdown — nearly 60 percent of its workforce — to handle tax returns and pay out refunds. The employees won’t be paid.

With the official start of the tax filing season coming Jan. 28, the Trump administration has promised that taxpayers owed refunds will be paid on time, despite the disruption in government services caused by the partial shutdown now in its fourth week. There had been growing concern that the shutdown would delay refunds going out because the money wouldn’t be available for them from Congress.

Last week, the administration said customary shutdown policies will be reversed to make the money available and refund payments on time possible.


I guess this moronic anonymous op-ed over at the Daily Liar Caller was written by some idiot (working for multiple other idiots) who didn't grasp just how much necessary government functionality actually exists. It sounds like it could have been written by Paul Ryan.

Quote

An unnamed “senior official in the Trump administration” wrote in an anonymous Daily Caller op-ed Monday that the record-breaking 24-day partial government shutdown “is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good.”


While it’s unclear how “senior” this administration official is — many senior Trump officials are still being paid, while the author claims to be “one of the senior officials working without a paycheck” — the op-ed could offer a window into another goal of this shutdown, in addition to using federal workers’ paychecks as leverage in an attempt to extract border wall funds from Congress: starving the government.

The op-ed’s author wrote that “many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce” and that “we do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them.”

Roughly 800,000 federal employees are currently going without pay, and millions of Americans who rely on the agencies those employees usually run — everything from the Food and Drug Administration to the Department of the Interior to the Department of Homeland Security — are going without services, except for those provided by workers deemed essential to national security or public safety.

“Now that we are shut down, not only are we identifying and eliminating much of the sabotage and waste, but we are finally working on the president’s agenda,” the official wrote, adding in conclusion: “Wasteful government agencies are fighting for relevance but they will lose. Now is the time to deliver historic change by cutting them down forever.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#215 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:15 PM

There's a bipartisan group of Representatives who will talk to Trump. Not much is expected. Why? Because first, Trump, and second the likes of Ann Coulter are still shrieking about not giving in as if their paychecks depended on it. Oh wait, they do depend on it.

Meanwhile Pelosi turns the screw a little more. If there's anything Trump hates to give up it's TV time.

Quote

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wrote to President Trump on Wednesday seeking to reschedule his State of the Union address until after the government has reopened.

Pelosi stopped short of disinviting the President to deliver the address, which is scheduled for Jan. 29.

“Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government reopens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has reopened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th,” Pelosi wrote.

The speaker noted that the Secret Service and Department of Homeland Security are tasked with providing security and protection for the high-profile event, but “have not been funded for 26 days now — with critical departments hamstrung by furloughs.”


Josh Marshall says the same thing that many said when Gingrich decided that a government shutdown was a legitimate political strattegy; never negotiate with terrorists. Or to put it at he Trump level, "if you give a moose a muffin..." In full:

Quote

Republicans are desperate – and not even doing much or well to hide it – to have Democrats start negotiating with them about a wall. We’ve moved on from demanding the chunk of money. Now it’s wanting to negotiate, begging frankly. For all the atmospherics and strategies, the only important point to make is that the President is holding the government hostage to force his way. That has to stop. The shutdown bacillus that Newt Gingrich injected into our political system in 1995 must be eradicated. It was dormant for almost two decades until Republicans (neo-Gingrichites) returned to power in the House in 2011. It’s wrong. It’s destructive. And it’s the same principle we apply to all terrorists. You can’t negotiate with terrorists or hostage takers, because it encourages the behavior.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#216 Practical Girl

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 8105 posts
  • LocationAustin TX

Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:22 PM

Forcing employees back to work without pay. Somebody has to tell me why involuntary servitude is legal in this situation.
Every woman needs a blowtorch.
---Julia Child


--- On September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin was leaving the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, at Independence Hall, in Philadelphia, a woman called out to him, saying, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”
“A republic,” Franklin said, “if you can keep it.”


--- LFC, on Gorsuch ruling: "Awesome. A Christianist who swore an oath to uphold the laws of the nation and bore false witness when he did it"

--- "Write hard and clear about what hurts"
Ernest Hemingway

#217 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:26 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 16 January 2019 - 01:22 PM, said:

Forcing employees back to work without pay. Somebody has to tell me why involuntary servitude is legal in this situation.

Well, at least for the less melanin "robust". Those "others" should just be happy they're allowed to have a job.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#218 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:28 PM

"Support our troops! Well, except the Coast Guard. F*** them. I want a wall!" --Donald Trump

Quote

U.S. Coast Guard commandant Admiral Karl Schultz sent out a letter to his guardsmen acknowledging their first missed paycheck and letting them know that he is working with service organizations to get donations to tide them over.

“Today you will not be receiving your regularly scheduled mid-month paycheck,” Schultz wrote. “To the best of my knowledge, this marks the first time in our Nation’s history that service members in a U.S. Armed Force have not been paid during a lapse in government appropriations.”

He added, “It is also not lost on me that our dedicated civilians are already adjusting to a missed paycheck — we are confronting this challenge together.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

#219 HockeyDon

    Mind blown...

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 3651 posts
  • LocationNew Britain, CT

Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:34 PM

It's really a shame all those USG employees working without a paycheck are unwilling/unable to simply walk off the job.

I heard a news blurb containing an interview with a TSA worker going without pay and how flyers are being more friendly with them and I thought to myself, that right there is a group that would force the end of the shutdown if none of them showed up for work. Imagine if all commerce that relies on air travel/delivery ground to a halt just how quickly the government would be reopened. Not because the political creatures care about the workers, but because their corporate masters would send the command down to them that this situation was completely unacceptable.
Well, fuck.

How can I be expected to distinguish BS from reality when so much of my reality is utter BS?!

"There seems to be a lot of people dying of ignorance while living in the information age." my sister-in-law.

#220 LFC

    Fiscal Conservative

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 27912 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 16 January 2019 - 04:51 PM

Steny Hoyer announces that the SOTU address is off while the government is shut down. Pelosi tells Trump he can deliver it from the Oval Office if he wishes. Politically this would be known as a very public yet slick bitch-slapping and Trump is the beeyatch.

Quote

“We’ve never really had a State of the Union when the government is shutdown,” she told reporters Wednesday before outlining the security risk of having nearly all the leaders of the federal government in the same room without the proper security staff — who have been furloughed — or preparation. “This is a housekeeping matter in the commons of the United States so we can honor the responsibility of the invitation we extended to the President. He can make it from the Oval Office if he wants.”


Republican Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy whines. Quintuple hypocrisy points for any Republican trying to lecture a Democrat on how they shouldn't behave in an "unbecoming" manner.

Quote

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said Wednesday that it was “unbecoming” of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to rescind her invitation for President Donald Trump to deliver the State of the Union address as a result of the government shutdown.

“To change course like that shows she’s playing politics,” McCarthy said, per CNN. “To change course is just unbecoming of the speaker.”

Other outlets reported the remarks as well. NBC News’ Frank Thorp reported that McCarthy also said: “Speaker Pelosi should act like a speaker and have the President and keep her word like she invited him.”


TPM provides an approving analysis. In full:

Quote

Nancy Pelosi is clearly playing hardball by essentially disinviting President Trump from giving a State of the Union address at the end of January. It’s a good move in terms of political leverage and to make a point. But it’s good for a reason that goes beyond political posturing or negotiation. It’s the same reason it was a good thing that Democratic senators are refusing to move bills on non-budgetary issues until the shutdown ends.

The President has deliberately, intentionally stopped the federal government from functioning, except on certain continuity over government bases, to force an issue that has little public support and which he’s unwilling to bargain over through a normal legislative process. That’s not okay and we can’t allow it to migrate into becoming normal. The foundational role of the federal government and the essential responsibility of those who run it is that it runs. It isn’t security or the general welfare or anything else. It’s to run it. It’s no different from the fundamental responsibility of the electrical utility, which is that the electricity works. It’s critical to preserve the reality that this is a crisis and really nothing can be discussed or dealt with before this crisis is addressed.

Otherwise it migrates into something normal and it’s not normal.

We should remember that Newt Gingrich first injected the bacillus of shutdownism into the body politic in 1995. The political consequences were so catastrophic that it remained dormant for almost two decades until the neo-Gingrichites took over the House in 2011. Since then we’ve had basically nonstop shutdowns, albeit most quite short. This needs to be eradicated from the framework of American government. It is almost exclusively the work of Republicans and it is an attack on the very foundation of democratic government. It’s pure hostage taking and extortion. To the extent it continues to exist it needs to be recognized for the grave crisis and abnormality that it is.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users