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#1 LFC

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 12:00 PM

I figure it's likely that there will be more than one (there's already been more than one) looming shutdown under Trump and the GOP so we might as well put 'em all in one place.

Friday's deadline ain't lookin' good.

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Friday marks the one-year anniversary of President Donald Trump taking the oath of office, and unless lawmakers can eke out a deal in the coming days, it could also mark the first government shutdown under his watch, and under unified one-party control in Washington.

Trump declared back in May that the country “needs a good shutdown” to “fix mess,” and amid uncertainty that lawmakers and the White House can agree on a path forward on government funding, immigration, or health care, a shutdown is becoming a tangible possibility.

Between now and Friday, Congress and the White House will scramble to cut a deal on DACA, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and a continuing resolution to keep the government open. Should those talks fail, the race will be on to blame the opposing party for the ensuing wreckage.

Over the past few weeks, high hopes for crafting a long-term budget deal have evaporated, and lawmakers are instead attempting to cobble together the votes for yet another short-term package to keep the lights on—the fourth continuing resolution in four months. The bill put forward by the House would fund the government until Feb. 16.

“We should have had a budget by October of last year. This is outrageous,” fumed Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD) to reporters Tuesday night.

Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-SC) echoed his frustration minutes later, complaining that the Pentagon can’t function on week-by-week or month-by-month budget uncertainty.

“I am tired of making the men and women in the military suffer because of stupid politicians,” he said. “Those who designed sequestration, I think, have blood on their hands.”

Both parties profess to hate this temporary can-kicking style of government funding, but with Republicans insisting on cuts to domestic spending paired with hikes for military spending, and Democrats demanding both sides of the equation be equally raised, a long-term budget deal has proved elusive. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) confirmed to reporters Tuesday that they have not yet reached a deal on spending caps.


Here's TPM's list of potential outcomes.

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Republicans control every branch of government, but they need Democratic votes to pass a funding bill to avert a government shutdown. That gives us several ways the next few days could play out.
  • The government shuts down and the finger-pointing ensues.
  • Trump reverse-reverses, accepts a DACA deal, and pressures conservative Republicans to accept it as well.
  • Dems cave on DACA, Republicans cave on spending caps, a short-term deal that solves none of the ongoing problems narrowly passes.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:28 PM

Suckabee tells us that Trump really doesn't want a shutdown, never did, and despite Republicans controlling the presidency and both houses of Congress if we have a shutdown it's the Democrats' fault.

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“The President certainly doesn’t want to shut down. If one happens, I think you only have one place to look and that’s to the Democrats, who are holding our military and our national security hostage by trying to push through other policies that have nothing to do with the budget,” Sanders said at the daily press briefing when asked how Trump would feel if the government shut down.

When a reporter jumped in to note that Trump said back in May that a shutdown would be good, Sanders said, “It’s never been a preference of this administration. It wasn’t then, it isn’t now. And again, if that does happen, the blame, the fault will all lie at one place because we’d like to see a budget deal.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:53 PM

Healthcare for children? Not a priority for Republicans except as a weapon to get what they want out of the Dems.

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There’s a potentially major breakthrough on the docket for Congress to resolve a months-long standoff over children’s health insurance.

But a proposal to extend the bipartisan Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) for six years could end up failing because Democrats are convinced that Republicans are using the health care of 9 million children as a cudgel to cajole them into keeping the government open without a separate immigration deal. The government runs out of money on Friday night.

“We voted for a [short-term government funding extension] in September. So we’re now four months later and we are no closer to a resolution of any of those issues than we were when we voted for [it],” Rep. John Yarmuth (D-KY), told The Daily Beast in an interview on Wednesday. “That’s because all they cared about was passing the tax cuts. Why should we give them any help at this point? They’ve proven they can’t govern.”

House Republicans on Tuesday night announced that a six-year CHIP extension would be attached to a four-week spending bill. Their bill didn’t include protections for so-called DREAMers—the undocumented minors brought to the country illegally—making it difficult for Democrats to support it. But by adding CHIP, Republican lawmakers were essentially daring those on the other side of the aisle to vote against the measure and, in turn, be blamed for not wanting to save a bipartisan health care program for poor children.

Even some Republican aides conceded that this was their goal.

“After Democrats slammed Republicans for not caring about sick children for months, the GOP is turning the tables on Democrats with the government funding package with CHIP provisions,” a Republican congressional aide, granted anonymity to candidly assess the matter, told The Daily Beast. “Democrats are faced with a choice to eat their words or support a Republican vote.”

It has been more than 100 days since Congress failed to reauthorize the Children’s Health Insurance Program, leaving almost 9 million children in limbo with piecemeal funding keeping the program on a knife’s edge in various states.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:18 AM

Trump f***s the Republicans.

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As of Wednesday, amid internal GOP divisions on a spending bill and a potential shutdown looming Friday night, House Republicans had coalesced around a strategy: accuse Democrats planning to vote no because the plan doesn’t include relief for 700,000 young immigrants of deliberately blocking the renewal of the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP).

On Thursday morning, President Trump torched that strategy with a single tweet, indicating that CHIP should not be attached to the short-term spending bill at all.

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CHIP should be part of a long term solution, not a 30 Day, or short term, extension!

The declaration upends 11th-hour negotiations on Capitol Hill that were already teetering on the edge of collapse due both to Democratic opposition and internal Republican divisions.

The far-right Freedom Caucus says they have more than enough “no” votes to block the passage of a short-term deal. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) openly admitted Wednesday that he has no idea what President Trump wants or would sign when it comes to immigration. Each day, more Senate Republicans declare their intent to vote against the continuing resolution.

“It’s a mess,” Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) told reporters, exiting a closed-door lunch with the GOP caucus on Wednesday.

Amid this chaos, Republicans thought that attaching a six-year reauthorization of CHIP to the short term continuing resolution was a win-win. Democrats who had railed for months that the GOP-controlled Congress had failed to fund the program would have a tough time voting against it despite their opposition to other aspects of the package. And if it went down in flames, Republicans could cast the blame on Congress’ minority party.

House Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) outlined this strategy in a press conference Wednesday night, pointing the finger at Democrats.

“Stop the obstruction. Stop the games. There’s no good reason to punish children,” she lamented. “Not only are they voting to shut down the government, they’re voting to deny children access to critical health care when they need it.”

Her colleague Rep. Ralph Abram (R-LA) went further, saying Democrats “would rather support illegal aliens as opposed to our America children, who need that money.”

Even without the President swooping in to undermine this line of attack, there are a few problems with it. Republicans control both chambers of Congress, and could have passed a CHIP reauthorization at any time last year. Only after the program expired in September, putting millions of families who depend on it in limbo, did the House pass a CHIP bill that angered Democrats by making deep cuts to Obamacare’s Public Health and Prevention Fund. The GOP-controlled Senate never held a vote on CHIP at all.

Then, once new data showed that CHIP did not require any offsets at all and in fact saved the government money—Republicans still did not attempt to pass the program on its own. Instead, they chose to attach it to the spending bill—paired with other policies delaying some of Obamacare’s taxes—in order to make it difficult for Democrats to vote against a package that fails to meet many of their other priorities.

And now, President Trump has upended House Republicans’ gambit by bashing the inclusion of CHIP at all.


And this from another TPM piece on the same topic called Trump Sows Chaos With New Demands As Government Shutdown Looms.

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The comments left top GOP negotiators scratching their heads — and boosting the risk of a government shutdown after Friday.

“I’m not sure what the president means,” Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX) said on Fox News Thursday morning when asked about the president’s new stance — before making the case that CHIP funds should remain in the bill in spite of Trump’s new position.

“What this would do though is it would reauthorize the CHIP program for, I believe, five years. So it’s not just a 30-day extension. But Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy have to figure a way to cobble together the 218 votes. Apparently, they feel like adding this will help them get to that 218 votes,” he said.


So Republicans, after dropping to your knees and publicly servicing your new Dear Leader how does it feel to be kicked in the nuts in front of the entire world? You know you have the power to not be victims of his abuse. You just don't seem to have the fortitude or morality.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 12:13 PM

Is Trump approaching domestic policy the way he approaches foreign policy? Talk tough but keep 'em guessing. Republicans in Congress need reliability in their president if they are determined to play chicken with Democrats on legislation.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 01:56 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 18 January 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

Is Trump approaching domestic policy the way he approaches foreign policy? Talk tough but keep 'em guessing. Republicans in Congress need reliability in their president if they are determined to play chicken with Democrats on legislation.

So do Republicans push the Dems to vote on a bill tomorrow that's marked up in the margins (and was that Crayon?) like the tax giveaway?
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:16 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 January 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

Trump f***s the Republicans.




And this from another TPM piece on the same topic called Trump Sows Chaos With New Demands As Government Shutdown Looms.




So Republicans, after dropping to your knees and publicly servicing your new Dear Leader how does it feel to be kicked in the nuts in front of the entire world? You know you have the power to not be victims of his abuse. You just don't seem to have the fortitude or morality.

Having serviced him one way they get told to turn around and bend over.

If this weren’t the U.S. government we were talking about (and health care for millions) I’d be enjoying the results.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:32 PM

Oh, baby. It looks like a full metal clusterf***.

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The threat of a government shutdown seems to be growing by the minute as a raft of Senate Democrats announced they won’t back a one-month extension of government spending on Thursday, while House Speaker Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) promise he can pass the plan in his chamber looks increasingly uncertain.

The GOP’s plan to push through a one-month continuing resolution for government funding paired with a six-year extension of funds for the Children’s Health Insurance Program was met with hostility from a number of Senate Democrats who’d voted for the last continuing resolution, as the math in the Senate looked increasingly harder as the day wore on — and Republicans are bracing to get the brunt of the blame if that happens.

And Republicans are bracing to get blamed for the fallout if that happens.

“It’s one more instance in which the American people look at Congress and say ‘Why can’t these people get something done?” Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS) told TPM. “With Republicans in the majority, that’s a knock on us. … The reality is the Republicans have the majority in the House and Senate, and the White House.”

The GOP likely needs 14 Democrats to back the plan if they hope to pass it because of GOP defections and health-related absences — and few of them seem ready and willing to do so. Of the 18 Democrats who backed the last continuing resolution in December, a growing number said in no uncertain terms that they would not vote for the bill unless President Trump acquiesced and allowed a bipartisan plan to let undocumented immigrants brought here as children to recover the legal status they lost when he ended the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program last year.

That included Sens. Tim Kaine (D-VA), Mark Warner (D-VA), and Patrick Leahy (D-VT), who were unequivocal in their positions.

“Republican leadership – led by President Trump – has brought us to the brink of a government shutdown. The House bill does not have my support. It leaves too much undone, and it is woefully inadequate,” Leahy said in a statement.

“They want to give us another punt for a month? It makes no sense,” Kaine told TPM.

Sens. Tom Carper (D-DE) and Jon Tester (D-MT) also voiced serious concerns with the plan while leaving the door open a crack to change their minds.

“I’d be leaning no on that baby,” Carper told TPM with a laugh after sarcastically describing himself as a “cosponsor” of the bill.

Tester said the short-term bill is “not what we’re looking for.”

Republicans need 60 votes to pass the plan in the Senate, and with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) out due to cancer treatments they have only 50 viable votes (Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) has been in and out with health problems too and it’s not clear if he’s around as a needed vote either).

Sens. Mike Rounds (R-SD) and Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) in promising to vote against the latest plan on Thursday, and Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) voted against the last continuing resolution, a sign he’d do so again.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:34 PM

Meanwhile Trump is being his usual helpful self. His GOP bitches must be rending their garments as they experience the White House Whackjob Whiplash.

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For a little less than four hours Thursday, President Donald Trump asserted that funding for CHIP, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, should not be included in a Republican continuing resolution to avoid a government shutdown before Friday.

His position threw a wrench into congressional Republicans’ plans to use CHIP as leverage to gain Democratic votes without including legal protections for young undocumented people in the funding bill, as Democrats have demanded.

Then, at least according to the White House, Trump changed his mind.

“The President supports the continuing resolution introduced in the House,” White House spokesman Raj Shah said in a statement to TPM.

“Congress needs to do its job and provide full funding of our troops and military with a two-year budget caps deal. However, as the deal is negotiated, the President wants to ensure our military and national security are funded. He will not let it be held hostage by Democrats,” Shah said.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:31 PM

Shep Smith gets some serious digs in at the GOP.

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“The president [just finished] speaking [in] Coraopolis, Pennsylvania — Allegheny County — not by happenstance, either. There’s a House race coming up in March,” Smith said, following a speech by President Donald Trump.

“The Republicans have owned that seat for like 16 years,” he continued. “There’s some question when this new sort of turn around thing going on about whether they can hold it, so the president is there unofficially campaigning for a Republican candidate while back in Washington there’s one discussion — government shutdown.”

“Of course, with one party in charge of everything, a government shutdown will not happen, right?” Smith said sarcastically. “I mean, never in the history of — at least modern history of the country — has there been a government shutdown when a single party is in charge of Washington. Hook, line and sinker. House, Senate, one party in charge. That’s it. Republicans have it all.”

Smith said Republicans had failed to figure out compromises to keep the government funded for a few weeks — and that Trump had added to the confusion.

“The GOP plan was to dare the Democrats to vote against that measure, saying we funded the Child Health Insurance Program for six years,” he explained. “You’re going to vote against children’s health? Well this morning, while Republicans were trying to get their own votes and their own caucus together, the president blasted out a tweet against the Republican leadership’s very plan. One he apparently — well here is the tweet.”

Trump tweeted: “CHIP should be part of a long term solution, not a 30 Day, or short term, extension!”

“Seems he wants CHIP funded — but not yet?” Smith remarked.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:36 PM

View PostLFC, on 18 January 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

So Republicans, after dropping to your knees and publicly servicing your new Dear Leader how does it feel to be kicked in the nuts in front of the entire world? You know you have the power to not be victims of his abuse. You just don't seem to have the fortitude or morality.

Lindsey Graham who has become a serious Trump Fluffer just got humiliated on CNN.

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CNN’s Dana Bash on Thursday sat down for an interview with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to discuss recent developments in his efforts to get President Donald Trump to sign off on a deal for undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children.

During their conversation, she asked Graham if Trump was a racist — and Graham replied that he wasn’t. Rather, insisted Graham, Trump simply lashes out at whoever says mean things about him, while at the same time reacts warmly to people who say nice things about him.

“What you say about him matters more than anything else,” Graham said.

Bash then pivoted to ask Graham whether it has really been worth it to have spent months buttering up the president when the president seems to have been the one who blew up a bipartisan immigration deal last week.

“You have spent the better part of this year doing what you’re talking about — killing him with kindness,” Bash said. “And it seems to have blown up in your face.”

“No, I don’t feel that way at all!” he insisted.

“How come?” Bash asked.

“Because, uhm… I think we’re going to get a deal,” he replied.

“But doesn’t it bother you that the President of the United States has a different outlook between Tuesday and Thursday?” she asked him.

“If you don’t understand that there’s more than one politician in all of us, that’s pretty naive,” he replied.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:29 AM

The House passes something but it looks doubtful in the Senate.

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House Republicans pushed through a bill to keep the government running for one more month Thursday evening, setting up a Friday showdown in the Senate where its prospects look uncertain at best.

The bill passed mostly along partisan lines, by a 230-197 margin. Five moderate Democrats voted for the bill, while 11 Republicans voted against it, most of them conservative hardliners.

It now faces a tough path in the Senate with just hours before a midnight Friday shutdown deadline. Democrats are confident they have more than enough votes to block it.

“There’s near zero chance of this thing passing,” Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) told TPM as he left for the night.


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The bill’s passage through the House came after days of cajoling and negotiations between Ryan and the hardline conservative members of the House Freedom Caucus, a handful of whom still bucked Ryan on the vote even after President Trump called into their Thursday afternoon meeting to encourage them to vote for it. Its passage was made possible after Ryan acquiesced to some Freedom Caucus demands on military spending and giving a conservative immigration reform plan a floor vote. It also includes funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program for the next six years.

Democrats stood nearly united against the bill because of the GOP’s refusal to consider a bipartisan compromise that would reinstate legal status for more than 700,000 undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as children. They face losing their legal status protections because of Trump’s decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:04 AM

View PostLFC, on 17 January 2018 - 05:53 PM, said:

Healthcare for children? Not a priority for Republicans except as a weapon to get what they want out of the Dems.

And you know something about weapons? You don't want to lose them. That's why Roe v Wade is not going to be overturned regardless of who gets appointed to the SCOTUS.
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 04:05 PM

TPM has a piece called Shutdowns Are Part of the GOP Brand. Of Course They Get the Blame. They've played brinksmanship games for decades and people noticed. Now they have control of both houses and the Oval Office but are whining that the problem is with the Dems. Yeah, I'm sure Trump's base will believe you but it sounds like that's about it.

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A new poll from The Washington Post shows that the public overwhelmingly blames Trump and the GOP for what seems to be an imminent government shutdown. 48% blame Trump and Republicans, 28% blame Democrats. A key indicator: independents fault the GOP 46% to 25%. None of this is a surprise. Those who are surprised are deluded or not paying attention. Every factor that plays into how the public views these questions makes the Republicans seem like the ones to blame.

Perhaps the clearest driver is the simplest and least remarked: government shutdowns are part of the Republican brand. This is so basic and so deep running that people ignore it. But it’s worth repeating: shutdowns are part of the Republican brand. The facts in this case show the GOP is at fault. But even if they didn’t, even if the facts showed the opposite, the GOP would still have a hard time because again: shutdowns are part of the Republican brand. They invented them as a policy and legislative cudgel. They’ve used them consistently under Democratic presidents. And because Republicans are generally inimical to the idea that government is a positive force in people’s lives and valorize dramatic and high stakes political gambits they have consistently embraced the concept and strategy of government shutdowns. Think about the Cruz/Obamacare shutdown of 2013. There was no hiding it. Shutdowns are awesome. They show our power. You’ll do what we want because we’ll make you. Shutdowns are part of the GOP brand. It’s hard to get around that.

It is true that in this case, Democrats do have this lever to pull: the GOP’s need for 60 votes. But even that is the consequence of decisions they made to jam through their wildly unpopular tax bill. The larger reality is that Republicans control the White House, the House and the Senate. Truth be told, because of earlier bad acts, they control the judiciary. They control everything. If you control everything, you responsible for what happens. This is a basic reality of life. Blaming Democrats is the legislative/partisan equivalent of kicking the dog when something goes wrong in the house. The GOP controls everything. Of course they’re responsible.

There’s an ideological layer that people also under-appreciate. Dana Bash went on CNN yesterday and explained how Democrats were going to be under the gun from GOP ads claiming that Democrats were preventing millions of children from getting health care. This has little traction outside side of hard GOP partisans because people know that it’s the Democrats and not the Republicans who favor spending money to expand health care coverage. This is just a reality. Claiming that Democrats really want to do this as opposed to not giving in to some kind of legislative blackmail just doesn’t pass the laugh test. Republicans face a similar hurdle on the very concept of shutting down the government. Democrats are the party of government, the party of services. They are never the ones who really want to cut off services. Again, claiming otherwise runs against the self-presentations both parties espouse.

Finally, when you’re unpopular, people blame you. President Trump and the GOP are now deeply unpopular. It shows up in the polls and every by-election. Why this is the case is a different issue. The fact that it’s the case isn’t disputable. When you’re unpopular already and lack trust, when something goes wrong, you’re going to tend to get the blame.

What all of this comes down to is that reality and logic conspire with ideology and party brand to ensure that Republicans will get the lion’s share of the blame for a shutdown. They’ll get the blame because it’s their doing.

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 04:07 PM

Here's a good short piece from TPM about the Freedumb Caucus and their love of Kabuki theater.

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The Freedom Caucus, after its usual Hamleting, has agreed to support the House GOP leadership’s short-term budget, virtually guaranteeing it’s passage this evening.

There’s goes most of the evening’s drama. Or … was there really genuine drama in the first place?

The dance is so well-rehearsed at this point that maybe the price of Freedom Caucus acquiescence is allowing them to Hamlet. The legislative “concession” they extract is more or less besides the point. The real point is public prancing about being more purely conservative than Ryan et al.

It’s getting tired.

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 05:04 PM

Here's an interesting perspective from Jonathan Bernstein of Bloomberg. Among other things he says the Republican are still acting as if they were the minority party in Congress.

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Compounding the problem is another habit that Republicans can't shake: acting as if they remain in the minority, where forcing messaging votes is often all a party can do, instead of accepting that the majority brings with it the responsibilities of governing. The CHIP strategy is (was?) to find something that sounded really good (funding for children's insurance) that Democrats nevertheless would oppose (in this case because Democrats believe a DACA fix is also urgent and don't want to give away their leverage on short-term funding bills unless they get both CHIP and DACA resolved). In other words, instead of putting a priority on keeping the government open, Republicans were choosing a strategy to shut the government's doors in order to blame Democrats for it...


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Posted 19 January 2018 - 06:58 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 19 January 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

Here's an interesting perspective from Jonathan Bernstein of Bloomberg. Among other things he says the Republican are still acting as if they were the minority party in Congress.

It's what they do -- it's really one of the only three things they know how to do.
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 10:42 PM

OK, cloture vote fails.

Any guesses how long this lasts?
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:17 AM

And the shutdown spoiled the Dear Leader's first year anniversary gala.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:38 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 19 January 2018 - 10:42 PM, said:

OK, cloture vote fails.

Any guesses how long this lasts?

Erik Loomis suggests that it could be for a very long time indeed, since the fundamental impasse arises from the core issues for the two parties: racism and thus immigration.
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