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Bill Kristol thinks “people are just too unhappy with the status quo”

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#1 AnBr

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:56 PM



"I think if we had had this conversation 10 months ago, I would have said, 'You know, I think we can get beyond Trump.'"

"But now the degree of rationalization by Republicans, among Republicans, the degree of excuse-making for Trump, the degree to which Trump has changed, apparently, Republican voters’ views."

"That, I think, could be temporary, and yeah, they’re susceptible to that. Voters tend to follow the president of their own party that they voted for. But the degree to which he’s sort of changed conservative thinkers’ views, or seems to have, that’s unnerving and worrisome, and makes me think maybe we are in a more fundamental inflection point."

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:39 PM

Trump delivered exactly as (many of us had) expected.

I'm not sure who was more deluded: the party establishment, or the party base. I'd guess about equally, but in different ways.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:20 AM

Really, they have been there for a long time, and Kristol is kidding himself that they haven’t been. Dump has just made plain what the GOP is since Bush the Lesser if not before. Their problem is that they can’t hide the white supremacy, the anti-intelectualism, the anti-science, the authoritarianism, the Putin fetishism any longer.

Trump delenda est.
GOP delenda est.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:24 AM

Here's Frum-like lack of self-awareness from Kristol (bold mine). He doesn't really grasp how guilty he is of the same sin. Is it worse now? Sure, but he was an important and influential stepping stone on a straight line descending away from governing through intellectualism and pragmatism and into governing by raw emotion, propaganda, and circuses (without the bread).


Some of that is real, based on stagnant incomes and other things. Some of it is ... people get themselves whipped up and overly unhappy with the way things, are and if politicians can tap into that, people can be very unhappy, even if the objective facts might suggest they shouldn’t be quite that unhappy. At some point, you do have to educate voters and make your case to voters, not just capitulate to them.

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