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Posted 15 December 2017 - 03:23 PM

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Yes, like concealed carry regulations. Can't have some states violating the rights of real 'mericans. I'm sure some state that's totally in bed with the NRA will set up concealed carry regs with the only qualification being at least one eye, and no need for residency. They can become a travel destination for every lunatic shooter out there, to get a permit.

Sightist! People with no eyes not American enough for you! Why should they be denied the right to bear arms, concealed or openly!

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 03:34 PM

View PostProgressive whisperer, on 15 December 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Why should they be denied the right to bear arms, concealed or openly!

Will they be able to tell the difference? (Oh, f***. Did I just type that out loud?)
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 03:37 PM

Life expectancy in this country drops for the second year straight.

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According to the CDC’s 2016 mortality report, the life expectancy for a member of the U.S. population born in 2016 was 78.6 years, down 0.1 years from the expectancy for a person born in 2015, itself a decline from 2014.

The government figures released Thursday put drug deaths at 63,600, up from about 52,000 in 2015. For the first time, the powerful painkiller fentanyl and its close opioid cousins played a bigger role in the deaths than any other legal or illegal drug, surpassing prescription pain pills and heroin.”This is urgent and deadly,” said Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The opioid epidemic “clearly has a huge impact on our entire society.”

Two-thirds of last year’s drug deaths — about 42,000 — involved opioids, a category that includes heroin, methadone, prescription pain pills like OxyContin, and fentanyl. Fatal overdoses that involved fentanyl and fentanyl-like drugs doubled in one year, to more than 19,000, mostly from illegally made pills or powder, which is often mixed with heroin or other drugs.

Heroin was tied to 15,500 deaths and prescription painkillers to 14,500 deaths. The balance of the overdose deaths involved sedatives, cocaine and methamphetamines. More than one drug is often involved in an overdose death.

The highest drug death rates were in ages 25 to 54.

Preliminary 2017 figures show the rise in overdose deaths continuing.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:11 PM

View PostLFC, on 21 December 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

Life expectancy in this country drops for the second year straight.
And you see how much federal money is being channeled here?

Opioids are the GOP's solution to the entitlement reform they need to underwrite their tax cuts. What could be better than working class stiffs paying into the system for decades and offing themselves before they need benefits?

If Ayn Rand was alive right now, she'd run a fentanyl lab and give everyone free samples.
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:23 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 21 December 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

Opioids are the GOP's solution to the entitlement reform they need to underwrite their tax cuts. What could be better than working class stiffs paying into the system for decades and offing themselves before they need benefits?

They could more efficiently target those in the working class by melanin level. I'm sure they're working on it.

View Postpnwguy, on 21 December 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

If Ayn Rand was alive right now, she'd run a fentanyl lab and give everyone free samples.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses? F*** that! I'll give a REAL opiate to the masses!"
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 08:21 AM

View PostLFC, on 21 December 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

They could more efficiently target those in the working class by melanin level. I'm sure they're working on it.
Why bother? The low melanin recipients will vote for their own diminished benefits with glee, thinking that they are not the "other".
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 08:02 AM

No surprises here:

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:02 PM

A number of states, counties, and cities have given up waiting for Trump and Congressional Republicans to actually do anything about the opioid crisis so they've taken matters into their own hands and are filing lawsuits like crazy against the manufacturers. It's going to be interesting to see how Republicans react. Their Randian beliefs say that this is the proper response rather than a central federal government response. I suspect (using history as my guide) that if the heat becomes too great they'll attempt to protect their masters at Big Pharma, once again throwing their so-called "beliefs" in the trash.

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In the next two years, the opioid epidemic is estimated to cost the United States a trillion dollars and kill almost 100,000 Americans. President Donald Trump declared it a public health crisis this year but has not asked Congress for additional money to fight the scourge.

That leaves states, counties, and cities to bear much of the cost—and they want Big Pharma to pay.

“We kept seeing our crime problems and overdose deaths going up every year, and we got no response for anyone with the federal government,” Mayor Paul Billups of Ceredo, West Virginia, told The Daily Beast. “They didn’t have a plan, so we decided to come up with a plan. We decided caring for people is more important than marketing and profits.”

Ceredo is one of about 250 states, counties, and cities that have filed lawsuits against multiple pharmaceutical companies and distributors of opioid prescription pills that are blamed for turning pain patients into heroin addicts.

Richie Webber is one such victim. A star high-school track and football athlete 10 years ago, Webber got injured, got on pain pills, and got hooked. It led to heroin use and two nearly fatal overdoses. Webber has been clean for about three years and works with a community group in his native Ohio to help people like him get treatment.

“I find it really odd when the pharmaceutical companies that make pills like OxyContin claim they are nonaddictive and just help people with pain,” he said. “Well, let’s look at it from my perspective. We’ve helped more than 300 people get into rehab this year, and 90 percent of them started with prescription pain pills. That’s nonaddictive?”

That is the thrust of most of the lawsuits: Those who make and distribute opioid pain pills have to clean up the drug addiction mess, and that mess was created by deceptive marketing and claims that these pain meds were nonaddictive. Communities want the companies they’re suing to help pay for “significant harm and damages, including, but not limited to, the breakdown of families, increased health insurance costs, increased police and fire usage, increased usage of the criminal justice system and other significant harms,” as a recent lawsuit filed Columbus, Ohio, put it.

These lawsuits are being filed all over the country, from Seattle, Washington, to Bangor, Maine. The Cherokee Nation has filed one as well.

“All we are looking for is a little justice in all this,” Pete Orput, the Washington County attorney in Minnesota told The Daily Beast on why his county joined other counties in the state filing suit. “We just want some payback. For years we have heard [the pharmaceutical companies] tell us they have nothing to do with the addiction. I resent what they have told us, and I resent what they have done in our community.”

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:06 AM

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“We kept seeing our crime problems and overdose deaths going up every year, and we got no response for anyone with the federal government,” Mayor Paul Billups of Ceredo, West Virginia, told The Daily Beast. “They didn’t have a plan, so we decided to come up with a plan. We decided caring for people is more important than marketing and profits.”

That's not true. Jefferson Beauregard is moving swiftly to stem the opioid crisis by cracking down on States that have legalized marijuana and on cities and States that have become sanctuaries for the drug-dealing illegal immigrants.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 01:09 PM

Looks like one of Trump's "best people" is now on the job!

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An inexperienced 24-year-old former Trump campaign staffer is helping to lead a key White House office focused on combatting the nationwide opioid epidemic, The Washington Post reports. Taylor Weyeneth quickly became the deputy chief of staff at the Office of National Drug Control Policy, after having only worked on the Trump campaign after graduating from college in 2016. His résumés contained inconsistencies, and they implied that Weyeneth had completed a master’s degree even though he was just enrolled in classes. Weyeneth’s rise in the office is attributed to “staff turnover and vacancies,” the Post reports, adding that he has taken over some duties from the recently departed general counsel and acting chief of staff. The White House, after being contacted by the Post, said Weyeneth will resume his initial position as a White House liaison for the office, which he wanted to work at due in part to a heroin-related death in his family.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 06:23 PM

Opioid epidemic? Obamacare did it! No, seriously. Republicans are saying that access to healthcare was the cause of the problem. It's all so ... Onionesque.

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Republicans are asserting that the Medicaid expansion, funded by President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, is responsible for the American opioid epidemic.

Republican Senator Ron Johnson, chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, held a hearing Wednesday morning on the impact of the expansion. He also released a report and op-ed on the topic.

“People may be scratching their heads saying ‘Why is Department of Homeland Security holding a hearing on the opioid crisis and Medicaid?’” he said at the beginning of the meeting. He went on to explain that he had read an article in Commentary, a neoconservative magazine, that piqued his interest on the topic and asked his staff to compile a report and schedule a hearing on the topic.

The Republican argument is that the Medicaid expansion gave unemployed Americans better access to medical treatment, and therefore more access to painkiller prescriptions. Patients then abused the opioids or sold them on the black market for a large profit. Obamacare, therefore, contributed to the 63,632 overdose deaths caused by opioids in 2016.

“Lawmakers never intended this, but I’m guessing there will be many who will not want to acknowledge it,” said Johnson. “Why? Because Obamacare included a large-scale expansion of Medicaid. During the 2017 debate on repealing and replacing Obamacare, proponents of expansion cited its role in funding treatment for addiction.”

This line of reasoning has been used as a Republican argument to repeal Obamacare in the past. Last March, Conn Carroll, the communications director for Senator Mike Lee, wrote that, “expanded coverage helped cause the opioid crisis. Free pills means more addicts.”

The problem with the Republican argument is that Medicaid expansion began in 2014, and the opioid addiction was declared an epidemic by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 2011. The Centers have also said there is no evidence that Medicaid leads to opioid abuse.

States with above average opioid-overdose death rates include both Medicaid expansion and non-expansion states, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. Medicaid also covers both outpatient treatments and inpatient detoxification for those addicted to painkillers and other similar drugs.

“It’s not Medicaid expansion causing these overdoses, it’s the rise of fentanyl,” a very deadly opioid that Medicaid does not pay for, said Andrew Kolodny, co-director of Opioid Policy Research at Brandeis University.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 07:04 PM

View PostLFC, on 17 January 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

Opioid epidemic? Obamacare did it! No, seriously. Republicans are saying that access to healthcare was the cause of the problem. It's all so ... Onionesque.

Yeah they would have gone straight to illegal drugs first.

As I recall the characterization of Oxycontin as Hill Billy Heroin predated Obamacare by quite a few years. Remember Rush Limbaugh confessed to issues with it in about 2003. Plenty of people covered by workers comp and other employer based health insurance got to opioids without ACA.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:44 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 17 January 2018 - 07:04 PM, said:

As I recall the characterization of Oxycontin as Hill Billy Heroin predated Obamacare by quite a few years.

My quote above said the CDC already named it an "epidemic" in 2011, 3 years before Obamacare. Not that reality remotely slows down a Republican.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 02:02 PM

Kentucky is going after McKesson over opioid shipments.

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Kentucky’s attorney general on Monday accused drug distributor McKesson Corp of helping fuel the opioid epidemic by failing to halt shipments of suspiciously large or frequent orders by pharmacies of prescription painkillers.

The complaint by Kentucky Attorney General Andy Beshear was filed in a state court and was one of a flurry of lawsuits by states and local governments against opioid manufacturers and distributors seeking to hold them accountable for the U.S. epidemic.

McKesson did not immediately respond to a request for comment. It has denied knowingly supplying opioids to rogue pharmacies and has said it is working to enhance its programs to detect suspicious drug orders.

Beshear’s lawsuit accused the San Francisco-based company of filling suspicious orders of prescription opioids and then shipping massive quantities of the drugs to Kentucky pharmacies without reporting them to authorities or stopping the shipments.

The complaint said McKesson, one of the country’s largest wholesale pharmaceutical distributors, ignored red flags that the drugs were being diverted for illegal uses in order “to reap a windfall off of the wave of addiction.”

Beshear said in Kentucky’s Floyd County alone, which has an average population of 38,638, McKesson from 2010 to 2016 distributed more than 18.4 million doses of opioids, enough for 477 pills for every adult and child living there.

“Kentuckians can finally put a name to a major reason for the pill mills, drug epidemic and overdose deaths in our state,” Beshear said in a statement.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 02:35 PM

This piece from last fall has some good back story on the moneyed interests behind the epidemic:

http://www.esquire.c...amily-oxycontin
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 03:21 PM

View PostLFC, on 22 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

Kentucky is going after McKesson over opioid shipments.

Is anyone surprised that AG Andy Beshear is a Democrat?
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 03:55 PM

View PostLFC, on 22 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

Kentucky is going after McKesson over opioid shipments.

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Beshear said in Kentucky’s Floyd County alone, which has an average population of 38,638, McKesson from 2010 to 2016 distributed more than 18.4 million doses of opioids, enough for 477 pills for every adult and child living there.

477 pills for every human in the county? Just try to put your mind around that for a second.....

I will say, I took my first vicodin this weekend after oral surgery. No buzz at all, but the absence of pain was very much appreciated. Took 5 pills over 3 days.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 04:27 PM

View PostTraveler, on 22 January 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

477 pills for every human in the county? Just try to put your mind around that for a second.....

40 pills per capita annually. Think of it that way.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 05:02 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 22 January 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Is anyone surprised that AG Andy Beshear is a Democrat?

More than that, he is Steve Beshear's son. Steve Beshear was the KY Democratic governor that implemented Kynect, the nation's most successful implementation of the ACA.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 05:18 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 22 January 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

40 pills per capita annually. Think of it that way.
477/6yr/capita? That comes to 80/yr/capita in my math.
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