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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:05 PM

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Christianity has died in the hands of Evangelicals. Evangelicalism ceased being a religious faith tradition following Jesus’ teachings concerning justice for the betterment of humanity when it made a Faustian bargain for the sake of political influence. The beauty of the gospel message — of love, of peace and of fraternity — has been murdered by the ambitions of Trumpish flimflammers who have sold their souls for expediency. No greater proof is needed of the death of Christianity than the rush to defend a child molester in order to maintain a majority in the U.S. Senate.

Evangelicals have constructed an exclusive interpretation which fuses and confuses white supremacy with salvation. Only those from the dominant culture, along with their supposed inferiors who with colonized minds embrace assimilation, can be saved. But their salvation damns Jesus. To save Jesus from those claiming to be his heirs, we must wrench him from the hands of those who use him as a façade from which to hide their phobias — their fear of blacks, their fear of the undocumented, their fear of Muslims, their fear of everything queer.

Evangelicalism has ceased to be a faith perspective rooted on Jesus the Christ and has become a political movement whose beliefs repudiate all Jesus advocated. A message of hate permeates their pronouncements, evident in sulphurous proclamations like the Nashville Statement, which elevates centuries of sexual dysfunctionalities since the days of Augustine by imposing them upon Holy Writ. They condemn as sin those who express love outside the evangelical anti-body straight jacket.

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:07 AM

Interesting piece though it should be titled The Death of American Evangelicalism as a Christian Religion. I went through a few of the links and these really jumped out at me.

https://www.theguard...rt-donald-trump
http://www.rightwing...-united-states/

This is a big part of Trump's base, rabid religious zealots who claim to be Christians but don't act anything like it. They are the ultimate fans. If you're on their team you can do no wrong. If you're on the other team you can do no right. And Trump is feeding them chunk after chunk of rotting meat.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

I’ve thought a lot recently that if the Evangelical’s religion is true, they would almost certainly have fallen under the sway of the devil in the way the practice and twist the biblical writings.

Not to say that is a new phenomenon in Christianity or even just American Christianity. The Pruitans were pretty messed up people.


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:16 AM

The unaffiliated and the lightly Christian affiliated see those described in the articles cited and decide they do not want to be associated with the people described in those articles in any way. That's why we see increasing "nones" in surveys that try to figure out what religion the respondents hold to.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:37 AM

Poll: Majority Of Evangelicals Would Support Satan If He Ran As Republican Candidate

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“Lucifer? Yeah, I’d vote for him, as long as he claims to be a Republican,” one member of a study focus group said. “He’s got some character flaws, sure—who doesn’t—but we’ve got to remember that ensuring we Christians get some fleeting political power is far more important than whether our chosen candidate does a little soul-devouring on the side.”

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 12:55 PM

View PostAnBr, on 17 November 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:


Man, they're functioning at Onion level satire with some of their stories. I love the one titled Evangelicals Announce They Will Withdraw Support For Roy Moore Should Three Or Four Dozen More Women Come Forward. How have I never heard of this site?

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A coalition of conservative evangelicals announced Tuesday they would withdraw support for AL Senate candidate Roy Moore, should at least three or four dozen more women come forward to accuse him of sexual misconduct.

The evangelical leaders confirmed their commitment to turn on Roy Moore the second a fortieth woman accuses him of inappropriate behavior.

“We take sexual assault very seriously, and that’s why we will call for Moore to withdraw as soon as he is reliably accused at least another 30 or 40 times—that would cross a line,” Jerry Falwell, Jr. said in a press conference. “It’s important to make sure you have way more than a paltry five credible claims against a Republican candidate before you expect us to concede.”

“Political power is far too precious for us to let go just over five or six isolated incidents of sexual assault and indiscretions against minors,” he added.

At publishing time, evangelicals had confirmed they would continue to blast Democratic politicians for their slightest foibles.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:30 PM

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Man, they're functioning at Onion level satire with some of their stories. I love the one titled Evangelicals Announce They Will Withdraw Support For Roy Moore Should Three Or Four Dozen More Women Come Forward. How have I never heard of this site?

That last line - why not? It’s good enough for TFNYT.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 03:40 PM

Now that AnBr has handed me a new toy I've been having a blast with it. My utter contempt for all things Joel Osteen is being fed ... mightily.

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Weird But True: If You Put Your Ear Up To The New Joel Osteen Book, You Can Hear Dozens Of Tortured Bible Verses Screaming In Pain

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction!

Joel Osteen’s new book, Blessed In The Darkness, is finally available for sale. It’s sure to land on the New York Times bestseller lists and earn lots of money and fame for good ol’ Pastor Osteen, if his previous works are any indication.

But here’s where things get really weird: some readers are reporting that if you put your ear up to its pages, you can hear the tortured screams of dozens of Bible verses moaning in pain from being mangled beyond recognition.

“I picked it up to read it and heard a faint, echoed cry,” one woman wrote on Facebook. “Curious, I pressed my ear closer to the book, and I clearly heard the eight chapter of Romans screaming in agony as its context was slowly stripped away piece by piece.”

Scary, right?

If you pick up the new Osteen book and give it a try, let us know if it works!

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 05:14 PM

This is how this segment of Christianity values women. I know there's a Biblical passage (maybe several) to back up their action of treating woman as inferior.

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he Tennessee Baptist Convention affirmed on Tuesday a decision to ban the First Baptist Church of Jefferson City from voting at the conservative organization’s annual meeting.

WBIR News reported the decision was based on a resolution stating “a church whose office of pastor is held by a woman is not a cooperating church.”

Following a 17-month process by a nine-member search committee and vote of the congregation during two Sunday services, Rev. Ellen Di Giosia was named pastor of First Baptist in June.

“It wasn’t a surprising decision, it’s sad. It’s sad because we believe that cooperation is a hallmark of Baptist life,” Rev. Di Giosia told WBIR. “Although one of our Baptist affiliations has changed, FBC Jefferson City is the same congregation we were yesterday. We will still gather to worship, study, and pray.”

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The Tennessee Baptist Convention is the Southern Baptist Convention’s state affiliate with 3,200 affiliated churches.

“It is regrettable when one of our churches makes a decision that results in a broken confessional relationship with our TBC network of churches,” Tennessee Baptist Mission Board President and Executive Director Randy C. Davis told the Knoxville News Sentinel.

The First Baptist Church traces it’s origins to the 1830s. After 140 years of partnership with the Tennessee Baptist Convention, the church says all ties have now been severed.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 05:57 PM

An interesting interview from a center-right Christian on what happened with the Evangelicals and why they support Trump. They really do sound like they've completely lost they're way and that they are clinging to anything that supports them on a number of fronts. Here's the intro:

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Though he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million ballots, the Electoral College carried Donald Trump across the line with razor thin victories in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Nationally, he relied very heavily on support from a base few would have associated with Trump at any other point in his life—Christian conservatives. For decades, this group has advocated the sort of stern public morality that Trump has, for decades, publicly despoiled. And yet, despite his many flagrant sins—indeed, despite his refusal to repent for them—Trump won the support of America’s most self-consciously pious voters. Over the twelve months since, political observers around the world have been asking one perplexed and frustrated question: Why?

This article is reprinted with permission from Religion Dispatches. Follow RD on Facebook or Twitter for daily updates.

In his new book, Choosing Donald Trump: God, Anger, Hope, and Why Christian Conservatives Supported Him, Stephen Mansfield seeks to answer that question. By contextualizing the 2016 race, briefly recounting Trump’s religious biography, and exploring the mindset of the “Values Voters” who turned out en masse, Mansfield works to make their choice intelligible. RD’s Eric C. Miller spoke with him about the lessons learned.

This was a part that struck me as totally true:

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More disturbing, perhaps, recently the Washington Post has run a couple of articles in which they’ve asked whether there is anything that Trump could do to cause these evangelical leaders to withdraw their support from him, and their answers make clear that their thinking is transactional. “We support him until the last breath because he gives us access that no other President has given us.” They are admitting to the transactional nature of their relationship with him, and I think that is a dramatic step down from the loftier pulpits that they should be maintaining.

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:18 PM

Here's a piece from somebody who left the rigidity of right-wing faith she was brought up in and became an atheist. Nothing really new but she enumerates the ways that "Christian" leaders are doing more to drive people away than any other force out there. The term de-vangelist to describe somebody who is an outspoken anti-theist is pretty good. Here's the intro with 8 different ways they're destroying their own religions.

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If the Catholic Bishops, their Evangelical Protestant allies, and other Right-wing fundamentalists had the sole objective of decimating religious belief, they couldn’t be doing a better job of it.

Testimonials at sites like ExChristian.net show that people leave religion for a number of reasons, many of which religious leaders have very little control over. Sometimes, for example, people take one too many science classes. Sometimes they find their faith shattered by the suffering in the world – either because of a devastating injury or loss in their own lives or because they experience the realities of another person’s pain in a new way. Sometimes a believer gets intrigued by archaeology or symbology or the study of religion itself. Sometimes a believer simply picks up a copy of the Bible or Koran and discovers faith-shaking contradictions or immoralities there.

But if you read ExChristian testimonials you will notice that quite often church leaders or members do things that either trigger the deconversion process or help it along. They may turn a doubter into a skeptic or a quiet skeptic into an outspoken anti-theist, or as one former Christian calls himself, a de-vangelist.

Here are some top ways Christians push people out the Church door or shove secret skeptics out of the closet. Looking at the list, you can’t help but wonder if the Catholic Bishops, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachman and their fundamentalist allies are working for the devil.


This section on right-wing religion's obsession with power through politics was interesting.

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Political meddling. If you look at religion-bashing quote-quip-photo-clip-links that circulate Facebook and Twitter, most of them are prompted by church incursions into the political sphere. A spat between two atheists erupted on my home page yesterday. “Why can’t ex-Christians just shut up about religion and get on with building a better world?” asked one. “Why can’t we shut up?!” screeched the other. “Because of shit like this!” He posted a link about Kansas giving doctors permission to deny contraception and accurate medical information to patients.

I myself give George W. Bush credit for transforming me from a politically indifferent, digging-in-the-garden agnostic into a culture warrior. He casually implied that, when going to war, he didn’t need to consult with his own father because he had consulted the big guy in the sky, and my evangelical relatives backed him up on that, and I thought, oh my God, the beliefs I was raised on are killing people. The Religious Right, and now the Catholic Bishops, have brought religion into politics in the ugliest possible way short of holy war, and people who care about the greater good have taken notice. Lists of ugly Bible verses, articles about the psychology of religion, investigative exposes about Christian machinations in D.C. or rampant proselytizing in the military and public schools –all of these are popular among political progressives because it is impossible to drive progressive change without confronting religious fundamentalism.


And this final paragraph describes Rod Dreher's M.O. to a tee other than he seems to be realistic enough to grasp that the number of people they'll gain control over is much smaller than in past centuries.

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Catholic and Evangelical conservatives have made a high stakes gamble that they can regain authoritarian control over their flocks and hold onto the next generation of believers (and tithers) by asserting orthodox dogmas, making Christian belief an all or nothing proposition. Their goal is a level of theological purity that will produce another Great Awakening based largely on the same dogmas as the last one. They hope to cleanse their membership of theological diversity, and assert top down control of conscience questions, replenishing their membership with anti-feminist, pro-natalist policies and proselytizing in the Southern hemisphere. But the more they resort to strict authoritarianism, insularity and strict interpretation of Iron Age texts, the more people are wounded in the name of God and the more people are outraged. By making Christian belief an all-or-nothing proposition – they force at least some would-be believers to choose “nothing.” Anti-theists are all too glad to help.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:40 PM

View PostLFC, on 28 December 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

Here's a piece from somebody who left the rigidity of right-wing faith she was brought up in and became an atheist. Nothing really new but she enumerates the ways that "Christian" leaders are doing more to drive people away than any other force out there.

Brilliant article. Says everything I want to say but can't because I can't think or type fast enough.

I believe (or hope?) that British church denominations are much better in this respect, for historical reasons, than the corresponding American ones, but they're not good enough for me. That's why, when I came back to religious observance after a quarter of a century, it was to a Quaker meeting. Quakers In Britain, under the authority of Britain Yearly Meeting, are as imperfect and lacking as any other group of human beings—but this is one big issue they have got right.
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 04:04 PM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 28 December 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

Quakers In Britain, under the authority of Britain Yearly Meeting, are as imperfect and lacking as any other group of human beings—but this is one big issue they have got right.

If they don't go around declaring that their shit doesn't stink then they are well ahead of many (most?) of America's most "righteous". Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins and fundamentalists seem to possess it in abundance.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 08:09 PM

Oh, Sweet Jesus ,was a cry for injustice and sorrow caused by human beings!
Now political gains are made by saying ,Jesus , is my personal political tool.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 05:27 PM

This is an interesting story of how a couple gently lost their faith and became more connected with the wonders of the real world.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 03:37 PM

Another scamtastic "Christian" decides to take a page from Oral Roberts's old book. Is it any wonder the popularity of Christianity is dropping in this country?

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Paula White, a prosperity gospel minister who has often served as a spiritual adviser for President Donald Trump, has regularly drawn criticism from conservative Evangelicals for preaching what they consider to be “heretical” teachings that warp the divine message of the Gospel.

Now White is raising eyebrows with a new scheme that involves asking her followers to send her up to a full month’s salary — or else face “consequences.”

Via The Christian Post, White has launched a “First Fruits” campaign on her website that asks her followers to ring in the new year by sending her a significant chunk of money this month.

“Each January, I put God first and honor Him with the first of our substance by sowing a first fruits offering of one month’s pay,” White writes. “That is a big sacrifice, but it is a seed for the harvest I am believing for in the coming year. And God always provides! Every year many others join us and sow a month’s pay, a week’s pay, others give a day’s pay, but everyone gives their best- The results are miraculous!”

White explains that it’s important to donate money to her at the start of every new year because it helps you get off on the right foot with the Lord.

“All Firsts belong to God,” she says. “When you honor this principle it provides the foundation and structure for God’s blessings and promises in your life, it unlocks deep dimensions of spiritual truths that literally transform your life! When you apply this everything comes in divine alignment for His plan and promises for you.”

However, White also warns that bad things could happen to followers who don’t send her money this month because to not do so would contradict God’s word.

“When you don’t honor it, whether through ignorance or direct disobedience there are consequences,” she writes.

White, who opened the National Day of Prayer Event at the White House last year, has drawn criticism from many Christians over the years, including her business in which she sells believers “resurrection seeds” that will grant them eternal life for the low price of just $1,144.

Yep, that's Trump's choice for opening the National Day of Prayer. One good scam artist deserves another, I guess.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 03:45 PM

View PostLFC, on 08 January 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

Another scamtastic "Christian" decides to take a page from Oral Roberts's old book. Is it any wonder the popularity of Christianity is dropping in this country?



Yep, that's Trump's choice for opening the National Day of Prayer. One good scam artist deserves another, I guess.

I don't get this God provides language when it's clear that Ms White expects her donors to provide. She's not asking God to change water into wine here; she's asking people to send her money.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 03:52 PM

Another reason it's dying; the most obvious versions are flat out evil. Oh, yeah. And Pence is one of them.

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Vice President Mike Pence and his wife hosted a small gathering of right-wing Christian leaders in their official residence at the Naval Observatory.

The White House released a photo of the event Thursday, which “prayer warrior” Frank Amedia also announced in an email, reported Right Wing Watch.

Amedia said he and other religious right activists enjoyed “a very small and intimate dinner meeting with Vice President Pence and his wife Karen,” where they discussed an evangelical event March 20-22 in Branson, Missouri, hosted by apocalyptic televangelist Jim Bakker.

“I perceive that this timing is critical and strategic as I have been advising that I have received that February is a time of chaos in our nation politically,” Amedia told his followers, “with flash points on the coasts and in the heartland, as well as the caution of the ‘ides of March’ looming which will try to swallow up the spiritual surge of progress and pierce the heart of our political and church reformation.”

Amedia, a volunteer policy liaison for President Donald Trump’s campaign, founded the POTUS Shield network of pastors who believe government should be controlled by conservative Christians.

He told followers that Pence and his wife, who are conservative Christians, “are keenly aware” of the POTUS Shield’s work and asked Amedia to thank his followers on behalf of the vice president and Trump for their “relentless commitment to be a shield and weapon of spiritual force.”

Amedia and his followers believe Trump will help usher in a spiritual revival that will turn America into an explicitly Christian nation, and group members pray for God to “sweep away” Supreme Court justices who don’t share their viewpoint.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 03:52 PM

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I don't get this God provides language when it's clear that Ms White expects her donors to provide. She's not asking God to change water into wine here; she's asking people to send her money.

Yes? You think she wants to wait around for God to provide? That’s the marks’ job.

If I really believed in any of this, I’d have no choice but to think Satan controlled the Evengelical branch of the church.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:14 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 08 January 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

I don't get this God provides language when it's clear that Ms White expects her donors to provide. She's not asking God to change water into wine here; she's asking people to send her money.

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God is not dead. He was merely voted out of office.

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