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Posted 03 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

I've seen it in too many places. In the Army - which regardless of the stories DOES care about it. At work in the USPS. Again, not tolerated esp since a LOT of managers are women. I'd like to think my years in the Army taught me to appreciate everyone's contributions, regardless of rank, race or sex or "orientation". If I see a Master Sergeant in a duty assignment, I expect them to know what's entailed for that position. I don't care if they look like the female in Avatar, I just want to make sure the job gets done right. In combat you don't have time for that crap, you have to get the mission done or people die.

Unfortunately, it will always be with us in some form. Too many men fall into "Adam's Rib"/Mad Men way of thinking: Its OK to "stray", or ogle as long as you don't get caught. Girls are for whoopee.

I'm really hoping it gets squashed. BUT the squashing has to be from the highest level of an organization on down. (If the boss condones or does it the people will think its OK)
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Posted 03 November 2017 - 03:27 PM

View PostLFC, on 03 November 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

Yeah, it may have been a mistake to place this thread in Non-Political. You just knew that you'd be hearing about Congressional scumbags sooner or later.

You could start a new thread there to continue this thread and lock this this one with links between the two.
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Posted 03 November 2017 - 04:15 PM

Clarence Thomas vs. Anita Hill.

But of course she was lying because there was no such thing as harrassment back then.
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Posted 03 November 2017 - 04:29 PM

I was sorry to hear about Kevin Spacey. I have enjoyed some of his movies, as well as the first few years of House of Cards. I had tried watching the latest season before the Spacey news broke, but couldn't get into it. To me it had already gone off the rails.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 11:45 AM

Kentucky's Speaker of the House (a Republican) resigns as Speaker over "allegations". He is, of course, holding onto his seat.

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Kentucky Speaker of the House Jeff Hoover ® on Sunday resigned from his position as speaker following a report that he settled a complaint from a staffer alleging sexual harassment.

Though Hoover resigned from his leadership position, he said that he will remain a state representative.

“To say that the past few weeks and days have been trying and difficult for me and my family would be an understatement,” he said at a press conference. “I ask for your forgiveness.”

And theeeeennn we have the chutzpah. Just like O'Reilly he lashes out at those who "have been working and conspiring for months" to oust him. Hey, f***face. Why don't you just be a man an adult for once in your life and take responsibility without spewing caveats to make yourself feel better.

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In the Sunday press conference, Hoover acknowledged that he received a complaint and reached a settlement following a mediation. He said that the settlement was confidential, barring him from addressing the situation at first. Hoover stressed that the complaint contained “allegations” and denied that he sexually harassed anyone.

“At no time did I engage in unwelcome or unwanted conduct of any kind,” he said. “At no time were there any sexual relations.”

However, he did acknowledged that he sent “inappropriate” text messages.

“I did make mistakes, in that I engaged in inappropriate text messages. I engaged in banter that was consensual, yet no mistake, it was wrong on my part to do that. And for that I am truly sorry,” Hoover said.

He also suggested that there had been some kind of effort to force him out as speaker.

“I leave this speaker’s position with no animosity toward anyone. Not even those who have been working and conspiring for months for this result. Nor against those who have used this as an opportunity tot personal, selfish political gain,” Hoover said.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 02:39 PM

I keep thinking of what David Brock of American Spectator said about Anita Hill when she accused Justice Thomas of sexually harassing her...a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty. That was the attitude about women coming forward for so long. Why do people wonder why women don't come forward when they are abused in this way? I'm glad to see this attitude is fading.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

Weinstein's level of scumbaggery continues to amaze. I haven't read the original article but the link is in the quote below. This mofo needs to go to jail.

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The New Yorker, which in October published an explosive exposé detailing decades of rape and sexual assault allegations against Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein, published a follow-up story on Weinstein’s “Army of Spies” on Monday.

Investigative journalist Ronan Farrow, whose Oct. 10 New Yorker piece added to allegations against Weinstein reported in the New York Times a few days earlier, reported on an extensive network of private investigators, media figures and members of Weinstein’s own staff used by the producer in attempts to suppress the stories about him.

One firm, Black Cube, used undercover private investigators to seek out those with allegations against Weinstein and, before they went public with them, attempt to create relationships and extract information in secretly taped conversations, to then deliver to Weinstein. One agent developed such a relationship with Rose McGowan, an actress who later publicly accused Weinstein of raping her.

A reported contract with the company, signed by a lawyer representing Weinstein, specified that “the project’s ‘primary objectives’ are to ‘provide intelligence which will help the Client’s efforts to completely stop the publication of a new negative article in a leading NY newspaper’” in addition to allegations in an upcoming book by McGowan.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:52 AM

A bit of retrospection on how statutory rape in the music world was treated for years. Some of the examples were clearly illegal with zero repercussions, some were illegal with repercussions, and some were borderline but certainly sleazy no matter how you cut it.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:53 PM

More political arena scumbaggery, this time in Texas but there are links for stories about other states.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 02:03 PM

I've tried to avoid the gossipy style reporting about Weinstein but this makes me realize how the wealthy can buy their way out of trouble while poor people who do small crimes get sent to jail for years and years.

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The cloak-and-dagger undertaking, detailed in a new report on The New Yorker’s website Monday, included the use of an agent who posed as a women’s rights advocate to befriend and spy on one accuser, the actress Rose McGowan. The same agent posed as a woman with a possible allegation against Mr. Weinstein in an attempt to lure journalists into sharing information about other possible accusers, according to the magazine’s report, which relied heavily on internal Weinstein documents and emails.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 03:01 PM

Kevin Spacey takes the next step in the usual celebrity / politician apology dance when they know they're in deep shit over something sexual. And "sex addiction" has to be one of the most overused (abused) terms going by famous people in trouble.

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House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey is finally taking a step towards the right direction as he checked into Meadows, a medical centre in Wickenburg, in the hopes of curing his sex addiction.

This move came after Spacey was accused by several individuals of sexual misconduct, which cost him his job in the Netflix political series as well as several other films.

According to the Daily Mail, Spacey arrived at the $36,000 a month rehab centre in the Arizona desert last week. Spacey “is taking the time necessary to seek evaluation and treatment,” his representatives said in a statement.

The rehab center, which claims to have the best sex addiction treatment program in the U.S., will offer Spacey a wide range of classes which include horse riding, yoga, tai chi, and “mindfulness meditation.”

Spacey’s move is probably the reason why he’s gone quiet on his friends, who haven’t heard a peep from him since the sexual misconduct scandal broke out.

“He has not been communicating with people in his inner circle since,” a source told Entertainment Tonight. “He’s been MIA, even from those closest to him. He realizes how terrible this is and he knows the chances of him getting good work in this town again are very slim.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 08:15 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 28 October 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

I have it on multiple first-hand reports that consent, explicit and unambiguous, is being hammered home to the current crop of students -- all of whom, including the young men in private conversations, think it's a very good idea.

Followup: go figure. Last week I baked some of my herbally enhanced [1] brownies and promised some to a young lady I know at Tech. She missed the rendezvous, so I put them away for Monday.

Monday I'm on my way to class, see her, yell out "You don't get away that easily!" and catch up to her, brownies in hand. And she starts crying -- it appears to have been a bad day and someone offers her homebaked. So she stands there with her arms partly raised and an indecipherable look on her face and says, "Hug?" Yeah, it's not just a rumor -- even for comfort hugs from someone three times her age, you get unambiguous consent.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 02:55 AM

That's the correct way to word it. Not "believe me". :-)
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:37 PM

Why the George Takei allegation is a weak case
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:34 PM

From tide to tidal wave? James Woods, Tom Sizemore, a DC Comics editor, and an oil tycoon who sounds particularly slimy.

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An 85-year-old oil mogul in Denver, Colorado has been accused of groping and harassing female employees, then allegedly firing them when they rebuffed his advances.

One accuser claims in a lawsuit that Jack Grynberg, a self-made petroleum tycoon and Holocaust survivor, bought her a new house, then demanded she repay him with sex. When she stopped having sexual contact with him, she says, he fired her.

Another woman says Grynberg pulled her into the company’s locker room and put his hand under her bra. And, according to a third accuser, Grynberg ordered her to clip his toenails while he sat in his underwear.

The allegations are part of an ongoing sexual harassment lawsuit against Grynberg, and they come as Grynberg also fights his wife and adult children in court for control of his companies, the Denver Post reported.

Grynberg’s attorneys did not return messages left for comment.

“There’s strength in numbers,” Elwyn Schaefer, an attorney for the accusers, told The Daily Beast. “With what’s going on around the country these days, everyone is a lot more cognizant of how common this is.”

“Weinstein, Trump, Roger Ailes, Bill Cosby,” Schaefer added of headline-grabbing sexual misconduct allegations. “No one knew how explosive this issue was until the #MeToo movement started. [There’s also] lesser known people, who still have lots of money and power. I would put Grynberg in that category.”

The #MeToo movement is gaining strength.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:12 PM

View PostLFC, on 13 November 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

From tide to tidal wave? James Woods, Tom Sizemore, a DC Comics editor, and an oil tycoon who sounds particularly slimy.



The #MeToo movement is gaining strength.

If only they would all take the Ailes’ exit plan.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:37 PM

We are hearing about so much of this now, but mostly concerning well-known individuals. Just imagine how much of this goes on in the countless schools, offices and varied work places across the country where women just can't leave - and there is commonly no one to tell who cares, or could do anything.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:42 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 13 November 2017 - 08:37 PM, said:

We are hearing about so much of this now, but mostly concerning well-known individuals. Just imagine how much of this goes on in the countless schools, offices and varied work places across the country where women just can't leave - and there is commonly no one to tell who cares, or could do anything.

Hopefully people will be emboldened to speak out. You've got to start someplace.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:06 PM

Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) claims two sitting Reps, one Dem and one Republican, are known to have sexually harassed women on their staffs. I want to know who the f*** they are. Apparently victims are scared because of the special protections CongressMEN have given themselves when it comes to these kinds of accusations.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 03:42 PM

This seems to be the most appropriate thread to put this Yglesias piece:

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The United States, and perhaps the broader English-speaking world, is currently undergoing a much-needed accountability moment in which each wave of stories emboldens more people to come forward and more institutions to rethink their practices. Looking back, the 1998 revelation that the president of the United States carried on an affair with an intern could have been that moment.

It was far from the most egregious case of workplace sexual misconduct in American history. But it was unusually high-profile, the facts were not in dispute, the perpetrator had a lot of nominal feminist ideological commitments, and political leaders who shared those commitments had the power to force him from office. Had he resigned in shame, we all might have made a collective cultural and political decision that a person caught leveraging power over women in inappropriate ways ought to be fired. Instead, we lost nearly two decades.

(I know, Thomas-Hill early '90s could have been that moment as well, but it wasn't.)

OUCH. Some of my Team Red associates at the time made the (valid) point, "For someone who claims to be feminist, he seems unable to walk the talk, insofar as his conduct with female subordinates is concerned."
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