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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:49 AM

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Despite what Donald Trump and many other politicians have told you, the major threat to America isn’t Muslim extremism. In fact, statistics show that the real danger lies with domestic extremists who aren’t of the Muslim faith.

The New York Times reported back in June that since Sept. 11, 2001, almost twice as many people have died at the hands of white supremacists and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims. Using data compiled by New America, a Washington Research center, a study found that 48 people have been killed by extremists who are not Muslim—including the mass killings in Charleston, S.C.—compared to the 26 by self-proclaimed jihadists. However, this does not factor in yesterday’s tragic shooting or less publicized incidents like the Las Vegas couple who murdered two police officers and left a Swastika on one of the bodies.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:02 AM

The only stats that count are those killed by radical Islamic terrorists and "black on black." /sarc/

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:57 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 11 October 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

The only stats that count are those killed by radical Islamic terrorists and "black on black." /sarc/

Killings by black Muslims is a two-fer!

I'd love to see how freaked out white America gets if various groups of African-Americans start their own Open Carry demonstrations. How about a peaceful protest march in Charlottesville of Black Lives Matter members carrying semi-automatics and Colt 44 magnums? Will the NRA come to their defense?
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:29 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 11 October 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:



Killings by black Muslims is a two-fer!

I'd love to see how freaked out white America gets if various groups of African-Americans start their own Open Carry demonstrations. How about a peaceful protest march in Charlottesville of Black Lives Matter members carrying semi-automatics and Colt 44 magnums? Will the NRA come to their defense?

I think Phllando Castile can answer that question for you. Legal gun owner, did exactly what he was supposed to do, shot dead by police. NRA -crickets.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:38 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 11 October 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

Killings by black Muslims is a two-fer!

I'd love to see how freaked out white America gets if various groups of African-Americans start their own Open Carry demonstrations. How about a peaceful protest march in Charlottesville of Black Lives Matter members carrying semi-automatics and Colt 44 magnums? Will the NRA come to their defense?

Reagan was all in favor of gun regulation when Black Panthers in Oakland started carrying. Remember Saturday Night Specials? They weren't half price drinks at the neighborhood bars.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:02 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 11 October 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

Reagan was all in favor of gun regulation when Black Panthers in Oakland started carrying. Remember Saturday Night Specials? They weren't half price drinks at the neighborhood bars.

Yes, I've made that reference in other threads here.

Of course just like voting rights, so many African-Americans have been caught up in the "justice" system that a high percentage can't legally carry firearms in their states. So police could confront such demonstrations saying that they were suspicious of the crowd. "They are all felons anyway, past or future".
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:05 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 11 October 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:

course just like voting rights, so many African-Americans have been caught up in the "justice" system that a high percentage can't legally carry firearms in their states. So police could confront such demonstrations saying that they were suspicious of the crowd. "They are all felons anyway, past or future".

That's a feature, not a bug. Just ask General Beauregard Sessions.
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 02:04 PM

Republicans in Tennessee who likely got all hot and bothered because Obama didn't say "Islamic terrorism" can't bear to call neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups "terrorists", despite multiple spokespeople and individual members of these groups threatening and basically saying they are terrorists. Whatever could the difference be?

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Under pressure for killing a resolution denouncing white nationalism and neo-Nazism, Tennessee GOP lawmakers are belatedly offering an explanation.

In a Friday email to TPM, Rep. Bob Ramsey, one of three Republicans on the State Government Subcommittee, said they objected to language that would ask law enforcement to consider the groups “domestic terrorist organizations.”

“Our Committee has had several resolutions from various political parties, aimed at special prosecutors, designations of terrorist organizations, condemnation of religious sites and practices, and celebration of controversial historical sites, figures, or organizations,” Ramsey said.

Ramsey insisted that the GOP members agreed with the “intent and philosophy” of the resolution, which was originally introduced last year by Democratic Rep. John Ray Clemmons in the wake of the deadly Charlottesville, Va. white-nationalist rally.

“These subjects seem simple but have initiated some of the most bitter decisiveness [sic] and debates I have ever witnessed.”

Ramsey added that he and the other Republican lawmakers, Reps. Bill Sanderson and Bud Hulsey, were urging Clemmons to consider changes to the language of the bill in order to secure its passage.

As the Tennessean first reported, the resolution was “met with silence” from the trio of Republican lawmakers when it was brought before the panel on Wednesday. The other provisions would have required the House to “strongly denounce and oppose” the racist bigotry promoted by these groups.

National Democratic groups condemned the GOP’s failure to back the measure. Ben Wexler-Waite, communications director for super PAC Forward Majority, called on the Republican National Committee and Republican State Leadership Committee to publicly denounce the Tennessee lawmakers’ move.

“It’s beyond shocking that anyone in the year 2018 has to ask the RSLC or RNC why they won’t condemn neo-nazism,” Wexler-Waite said in a Friday statement. “The actions of the GOP-controlled Tennessee legislature are a punch in the gut to everything this country stands for and an insult to Jews, people of color, and all who have suffered at the hands of right wing extremists. There is zero excuse for why the legislature would even hesitate to pass this resolution and history will not forget the moment the Republican Party stood silent as its members condoned Nazis.”

Tennessee is home to a number of active white nationalist groups. The Southern Poverty Law Center’s recently released “hate map” for 2017 found 37 hate groups in the state, including chapters of the Ku Klux Klan, the neo-Confederate League of the South, and the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations.

Last weekend, Identity Evropa, a white nationalist group aimed at recruiting college students, held a flash mob demonstration in a Nashville park. In October, some 200 white nationalists convened in Shelbyville for a “White Lives Matter” rally.

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:32 AM

Speaking of which, there’s not much in the news about the terrorist attacks in Austin.

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:40 AM

View Postgmat, on 19 March 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

Speaking of which, there’s not much in the news about the terrorist attacks in Austin.

There was on GMA this morning. There's a lot less in the outlets I really pay attention to but then they're all pretty weighted towards politics.
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Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:45 AM

Terrorism is politics.

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:51 AM

View Postgmat, on 19 March 2018 - 10:45 AM, said:

Terrorism is politics.

Oh, that's so cute. It's politics if the terrorism is Muslim. If the terrorist is white he's "troubled" and has "mental health issues." See? It's easy to tell when it's politics and when it's not.

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:57 AM

Terrorism is always politics, by definition. If the outlets you pay attention to, which are weighted toward politics, don’t cover domestic terrorism unless it’s by muslims, your issue is with them, not me.

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 11:08 AM

Meanwhile, my city is besieged with bombings. Law enforcement started out with the possible racial element, and connected family/friends. Not today. Serial bomber is the best they can do. This place is crawling with every single level of law enforcement you can imagine. And it's all getting too close for comfort. Geez, whatever happened to the good ol' days (even last year) when Austin TX was, by every measure, one of the safest cities in America?

Setting aside the 4th one, that appears to have been trip-wired, it was package delivery. It's very hard for neighbors- even those looking out for suspicious activity- to distinguish that in package delivery. So very many subcontractors that come in regular cars-some barely marked. I won't accept deliveries I can't track from with UPS, USPS or Fed Ex. Neighbors agree. We have informal chats- expecting anything?

You can't plan for everything, but this is how vulnerable we feel right now.

I need a vacation!

That's how vulnerable we feel

EDIT: A bomb threat literally canceled what is always one of the best music shows of SXSW. Bomb threat deemed credible enough canceled Quest Love's traditional show. Yuk. I blame North Korea.
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Posted 19 March 2018 - 11:14 AM

View PostPractical Girl, on 19 March 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

Meanwhile, my city is besieged with bombings. Law enforcement started out with the possible racial element, and connected family/friends. Not today. Serial bomber is the best they can do. This place is crawling with every single level of law enforcement you can imagine. And it's all getting too close for comfort. Geez, whatever happened to the good ol' days (even last year) when Austin TX was, by every measure, one of the safest cities in America?

Setting aside the 4th one, that appears to have been trip-wired, it was package delivery. It's very hard for neighbors- even those looking out for suspicious activity- to distinguish that in package delivery. So very many subcontractors that come in regular cars-some barely marked. I won't accept deliveries I can't track from with UPS, USPS or Fed Ex. Neighbors agree. We have informal chats- expecting anything?

You can't plan for everything, but this is how vulnerable we feel right now.

I need a vacation!

That's how vulnerable we feel

EDIT: A bomb threat literally canceled what is always one of the best music shows of SXSW. Bomb threat deemed credible enough canceled Quest Love's traditional show. Yuk. I blame North Korea.

I’m sorry for the victims and their families, and I’m sorry for the fear and disruption visited on you folks in Austin. I wish the best for you.

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Posted 19 March 2018 - 11:59 AM

thanks, gmat. Although local law enforcement is holding back calling this terrorism, it's what it is for some people, in some neighborhoods. Got to wait for this to all play out.

We'll be vigilant, and we've all decided that the package thing will be regular discussion, even when this goes away. Just a way to protect each other. Fun stuff- our neighborhood cops have stopped by to let us know they're in our sector, monitoring as best they can, and to encourage don't touch strange stuff.
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Posted 19 March 2018 - 12:54 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 19 March 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

Yuk. I blame North Korea.
You obviously haven't been watching enough Fox News. The correct answer is "I blame Obama"
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 07:08 AM

View PostPractical Girl, on 19 March 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

That's how vulnerable we feel

EDIT: A bomb threat literally canceled what is always one of the best music shows of SXSW. Bomb threat deemed credible enough canceled Quest Love's traditional show. Yuk. I blame North Korea.

Latest news: suspected bomber killed himself as police approached his vehicle

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:40 AM

View Postandydp, on 21 March 2018 - 07:08 AM, said:

Latest news: suspected bomber killed himself as police approached his vehicle

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

I heard it's a 44-year old white male, or as Faux News would say "mentally disturbed individual." Definitely NOT a terrorist ... unless he was a Muslim. Or a Democrat. [/snark]
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 12:08 PM

View PostLFC, on 21 March 2018 - 10:40 AM, said:

Definitely NOT a terrorist ... unless he was a Muslim. Or a Democrat. [/snark]
Or all rolled into one...

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