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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:31 AM

We have seen plenty of cases of sexual abuse brushed aside within the RW Christian community, so why would Dump be an issue? They have no problem with men abusing women (it’s imaginary abuse by icky trans/gay people making them bake wedding cakes or using the “wrong” bathrooms that are their REAL bugaboos).

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:43 AM

It's possible that on one of the return visits, Stormy did bring a girlfriend, and there was girl-on-girl sex too. Now Dumpster is promoting and facilitating some homosexual activity. Of course, most hetero males privately cheer on girl-girl stuff, as long the ladies seem feminine. But that might rile up at least some of the E's.

It would be a WHOLE different story if any of Dumpster's encounters involved a gay or bi male. The E's would have left him quickly.

Look out if Stormy whipped out a strap-on and used it on the future POTUS.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:06 AM

Pnwguy, I disagree. They got Gorsuch and they're getting support for enshrining their privilege into law. Nothing, but NOTHING, will shake their "faith" in Trump as long as one of his hands keeps giving, even when the other is up some porn star's skirt.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:11 AM

View PostLFC, on 15 February 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

Pnwguy, I disagree. They got Gorsuch and they're getting support for enshrining their privilege into law. Nothing, but NOTHING, will shake their "faith" in Trump as long as one of his hands keeps giving, even when the other is up some porn star's skirt.
You may recall the Edwin Edwards old quote about “the only way I could lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.”

One thing most older Evangelicals recoil harshly from is male-male sexual escapades.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:55 AM

On the other hand, Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr. could always swallow this:

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 12:55 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 15 February 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

You may recall the Edwin Edwards old quote about “the only way I could lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.”

One thing most older Evangelicals recoil harshly from is male-male sexual escapades.

Perhaps, but their previous revulsion was cheap, just like their prior revulsion to porn and pedophiles. Now it would cost them politically and, to be blunt, I don't see any hint that they would be willing to bear that cost no matter what. I suspect they'd immediately spin a story that Trump was "tempted" by an evil homosexual and that it was "proof" of why they had to discriminate against them for Jeebus.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 12:58 PM

View PostLFC, on 15 February 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Perhaps, but their previous revulsion was cheap, just like their prior revulsion to porn and pedophiles. Now it would cost them politically and, to be blunt, I don't see any hint that they would be willing to bear that cost no matter what. I suspect they'd immediately spin a story that Trump was "tempted" by an evil homosexual and that it was "proof" of why they had to discriminate against them for Jeebus.

And Trump was sorry...they know he repented even if Trump doesn't say he did...mulligan again.

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 10:34 PM

It wasn't Trump's fault that the Lord hardened his....heart?

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Posted 20 March 2018 - 04:46 PM

A Republican strategist who served under Reagan, HW, and W called out the Evangelicals for the destructive hypocrites they are.

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Peter Wehner served under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush and is now a senior fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center.

“I’m very uncomfortable calling myself now a Republican even though my roots are with the Republican Party,” Wehner said on Axelrod’s podcast.

The final straw, for Wehner, seems to be evangelical Christrians backing Trump regardless of anything he has been caught doing.

“What’s happened is that a lot of these prominent evangelical Christians have gone from making a prudential judgment to being the sword and shield for Donald Trump,” Wehner observed. “They are his most reliable defenders.”

“I think we’ve seen that there is, in their defense of Donald Trump, a kind of hypocrisy that is so obvious to everybody else but apparently themselves,” he continued. “And so I think that that has really had a discrediting effect on faith.”

“I feel like something that I treasure and is important to me is being denigrated and harmed. And it’s it’s not only unnecessary, it’s downright destructive,” he concluded.

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 02:37 PM

Franklin Graham isn't even attempting to sound remotely non-partisan anymore. He's a right-wing Republican first and could easily hop right into a job on Faux News. For him Jesus is nothing more than a weapon to be wielded.

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Franklin Graham isn’t even trying to pretend to live the words of Jesus Christ anymore. The hyper-partisan son of the late Rev. Billy Graham, just days after Easter, took to Twitter to denigrate progressives in the wake of Tuesday’s stunning upset that placed a progressive Democrat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

“WI just lost a seat in its state Supreme Court to a progressive judge. In my opinion, if Christians had come out to vote, this seat wouldn’t have been lost. It’s not the time to be silent—it’s time to make positive change for our children & grandchildren,” Graham tweeted on Thursday.

71 percent of Wisconsin residents are Christian, so it’s unclear who Graham thinks put Judge Rebecca Dallet on the state’s highest court. But hypothetically, would she be any less good of a judge if only Jewish people placed her there? Or atheists? Or Muslims? Or the one out of four Wisconsinites who are spiritual but not religious?
Who, exactly, does Graham think voted for her? It had have included a large number of Wisconsin’s Christians, since she won by a 12 point margin.

But Graham also went even further, attacking progressives.
“Christians should be aware of candidates who call themselves progressive. Progressive is generally just a code word for someone who leans toward socialism, who does not believe in God, & who will likely vote against Godly principles that are so important to our nation,” Graham also tweeted.

What Graham is really saying is that only true Christians are Republicans and only true Christians vote Republican. As the head of a 501©(3) tax-exempt charity he’s toeing a dangerous line – or would be if his BFF, Donald Trump, hadn’t told the IRS to ignore violations of the Johnson Amendment.

Ironically, Graham’s $300 million charity is named Samaritan’s Purse, based on the biblical principle to “love your neighbor as yourself.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 02:39 PM

Here's another "Christian". The more openly pious the better chance they're a secret scumbag.

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Christian prosecutor who regularly boasted of waging culture wars against liberals resigned this week amid allegations that he gave women drug dealers lighter sentences in exchange for sexual favors.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that Bedford County District Attorney William Higgins stepped down from his position after he was charged by a grand jury of offering female convicts leniency if they met his sexual demands.


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“I guess I should take solace in the fact that the liberals are mad at me – again,” he said in 2014 regarding the case of a 14-year-old accused of desecrating a statue of Jesus. “If that tends to upset the ‘anti-Christian, ban-school-prayer, war-on-Christmas, oppose-display-of-Ten-Commandments’ crowd, I make no apologies.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 05:00 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 April 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

Here's another "Christian". The more openly pious the better chance they're a secret scumbag.

Don't be so hard on him. It's easy to be good when you are never tempted. This guy has such a position of power that these sluts just throw themselves at him.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:54 PM

All hail Trump, the instrument of God™. On the upside the Evangelicals are dropping in number.

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A new poll suggests that President Donald Trump’s base of white evangelical support was not hurt at all by his lawyer’s hush money to Stormy Daniels, nor by revelations that the married President had a year-long affair with an adult film actress after First Lady Melania gave birth to their son Barron. On the contrary, as reports of Trump’s infidelities and shady business deals have piled up, white evangelical Protestants — among the nation’s most socially conservative, law-and-order voters — have only come to hold more favorable attitudes about Trump.

Social conservatives’ support of the man Evangelical candidate Ted Cruz once decried as possessing “New York values” looks counterintuitive. And it once was.

During the 2016 primary season, white evangelicals were largely divided in their opinion of Trump, with roughly equal numbers holding favorable and unfavorable views, according to Robert Jones, whose Public Religion Research Institute regularly polls Americans about politics and religion.

But once Republicans nominated him, his favorability among white evangelicals jumped to 61 percent in September 2016. Once elected, Trump packed his cabinet with members of the political God squad, and made items on their agenda — anti-gay and anti-choice — a priority.

White evangelical Protestants have only grown more Trump-drunk since the election. In October 2017, 73 percent of white evangelicals supported Trump.

Now, according to a poll conducted in late March, after the Stormy Daniels story was widely discussed, support has risen to a record 75 percent. The new poll, to be released today by PRRI, also shows Trump has the lowest unfavorable ratings — 22 percent — among Evangelicals in any survey since PRRI first asked the Trump question in 2015.

Solid support for the President, however, comes as white evangelicals find themselves on the decline.

Large-scale polls conducted over the last ten years by PRRI indicate that white evangelicals as a percentage of Americans have been on a downward trend for at least a decade, as they steadily decline as a percent of the population. In 2006, they accounted for 23 percent of those surveyed, but as of 2017, they represented just 15.3 percent of the population.

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 05:36 PM

Full and total capitulation to St. Donald even in the face of criticism by their own (who are clearly not "faithful" to Jeebus). Note the casual and oblivious expression of the love of power.

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A group of Trump-loving preachers were so dismayed to hear criticism of the president from some of their fellow evangelical Christians that they reportedly walked out of a closed-door meeting at Wheaton College this week.

Christian broadcaster David Brody told Fox News on Thursday that many of the pro-Trump evangelicals felt ambushed at the meeting by attendees who said they were fed up being associated with Trump’s divisive brand of politics.

“It was one-sided venting here is what happened,” he said. “It was a two-day conference, the first side became, basically, this anti-Donald Trump free-for-all that and got so many folks ticked off… people walked out.”

“It was supposed to be a meeting about evangelism and faith,” Christian broadcaster Jenna Browder told Fox. “They really didn’t realize what they were getting into.”

Later in the segment, Brody suggested that these particular evangelical leaders might simply be jealous because they don’t get the kind of access to the White House that prominent Trump supporters get.

“This is a meeting with a bunch of evangelicals who really have no say within the Trump administration,” he said. “The fact that you had no Trump advisory group members there, I mean, I think that speaks volumes.”

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 08:10 AM

Sure does speak volumes. About the ones who do have a say....
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Posted 20 April 2018 - 02:45 PM

It seems that a lot of people are studying America's white Evangelicals for clues about what makes them tick. The consensus seems to be that whatever it is, it sure ain't pretty.

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According to a survey in the journal Sociology of Religion, the reason evangelicals continue to support President Donald Trump despite alleged moral failings comes from their priorities being tied to Christian nationalism.

Voters’ religious doctrine has nothing to do with those who stand with Trump. “Their view of the United States as a fundamentally Christian nation,” are paramount to their continued support, The Washington Post wrote.

The Post compared the recent survey to the fifth wave of the Baylor Religion Survey that surveyed Americans shortly after the inauguration in 2017. They combined responses to six specific questions in which people were asked if they agreed or disagreed.

The questions involved declaring the U.S. a Christian nation, and the U.S. is “part of God’s plan,” saying government should advocate Christian values, display Christian symbols, allow prayer in schools and other similar questions.

The findings ultimately showed the more someone believed that the U.S. should be a Christian nation, the more likely they are to vote for and support Trump, even after controlling for other influences such as politics, party and cultural factors.

Respondents’ specific religious affiliation also didn’t factor in their decision. However, “antagonism toward Muslims” was as important to those surveyed as Christian nationalism.

“How much a U.S. voter feared Muslims was as significant in predicting who voted for Trump as Christian nationalism,” The Post explained. “Overall the strongest predictors of Trump voting were the usual suspects of political identity and race, followed closely by Islamophobia and Christian nationalism.”

The findings ultimately reveal that regardless of Trump’s questionable statements, affairs, alleged assaults and morality, they see him making Christian heritage a priority.

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 02:48 PM

Here's another who is publicly Trumpsucking because of the power he feels it brings his brand of religion. The hypocrisy and clear desire for religious hegemony is nauseating.

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NN’s Alisyn Camerota on Wednesday got into a contentious argument with evangelical author Stephen Strang about evangelicals’ continued support for President Donald Trump despite his numerous affairs and scandals.

At the start of the interview, Strang tried to claim that Trump has changed a great deal ever since he allegedly had sex with an adult film star while his wife was taking care of their newborn son over a decade ago.

“I think he changed,” Strang said. “I really do. And I talk about this in my book, God and Donald Trump. I interviewed him in 2016 and expected the brash personality that you see in the media. I found him to be respectful, to actually be a little bit humble. I was amazed.”

Camerota then pointed out that a major part of Christian doctrine is that you aren’t simply granted forgiveness for your past transgressions — rather, you have to confess and repent for your sins. She then asked Strang if he believed Trump had done that.

“That’s between him and God,” Strang said. “The issue for me and millions of evangelicals is his policies. He supports the kind of policies we think are important. He has become a champion of religious rights of helping persecuted Christians. I could go down the line.”

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 02:59 PM

Here's an interesting take on Evangelicals' brand of religion, their brand of politics, and the Bible. As with so many other bad things that happen in the name of God™ there's always a way to justify just about anything. It's worth reading the whole thing but here are some pieces.

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There’s no doubt that evangelicalism seems to have an image problem, especially since its overwhelming alliance with Trump. In the minds of many outside the fold, evangelicalism no longer represents a specific religious position centered on sin and the need for individual salvation but rather a self-serving, power-hungry political movement that will side with the devil himself for the sake of political pragmatism.

“When people say what does it mean to be an evangelical, people don’t say evangelism or the gospel,” Birdsall told the Washington Post. But this image problem isn’t new. Although polling showsthat overall feelings toward evangelicals as a religious group have remained relatively stable since 2014, the perception of evangelicals as “agents of intolerance,” to quote John McCain back in 2008, well predates the Trump era.

And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.

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This is because, at the end of the day, evangelicalism isn’t really about personal values but, rather, social and political conversion and control. Little has changed, in this sense, since the days of Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority (as Daniel Schultz rightly pointed out recently on RD).

The Trump era, then, does not create a new problem for evangelicals and their image; it’s simply casting a very bright light on what has always been there, at least for the past forty years or so.

If evangelical support for Trump sounds more calculated than sincere because of this, that’s because it is. But while critics charge evangelicals with hypocrisy, with undercutting their own assumed moral authority for the sake of political success, it’s important to emphasize, contra John Fea, that this more pragmatic approach to social change isn’t completely outside their own religious traditions, and it’s questionable the extent to which evangelicals ever held much moral authority in the first place.

Evangelicals put great stock in the Bible, but as others have noted in the Trump context, the Bible is full of stories of God choosing morally ambiguous and even repulsive individuals to lead the so-called faithful. Indeed, that narrative line, repeated over again in numerous ways, makes up a significant portion of what most Christians refer to as the Old Testament.

Another way to put the matter is to say that the Bible isn’t all about love and how you relate to your neighbor, as Christians of a more liberal bent seem to assume privately and when they enter the public sphere. Love’s certainly part of the story too, but it’s not the whole story: sure, the Bible tells us to love each other, to care for poor, the outcast, and the oppressed; but it also tells us many stories of cold calculation, self-preservation, and ideological success—and many of the “heroes” of the Bible play just these games.

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I applaud those evangelicals who want to think honestly about the movement’s current image in the Trump age. But appealing to some “pure” form of the faith beyond its supposed political corruption—beyond the racism, xenophobia, nationalism, and the like that even critics of paper over—isn’t the way to go.

Not only do such appeals represent little more than nostalgia-laden theological desires that have little to do with what goes on on the ground, but they also ignore the fact that the line between religion and politics is flimsy at best, if not entirely non-existent. Evangelicalism, in its current manifestation, isn’t a religion that has been corrupted by its entry into politics but is, rather, a social movement that works through a specific type of politics. The substance of that politics has been clearly on display for some time now. Trump and his evangelical allies didn’t invent it; they only exacerbated it.

If evangelicalism ever wants to play a more positive role in social and political life, perhaps it’s time its leaders acknowledge that its public image isn’t a “grotesque caricature,” but the thing itself. There’s a weighty theological term and disposition for taking an approach that comes to terms with such hard truths but attempts to chart a new path beyond them: repentance. If that doesn’t happen, then Daniel Schultz is probably right: the meeting at Wheaton will not have accomplished much of anything.

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 07:32 AM

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 10:48 AM

View PostLFC, on 20 April 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

And besides, we shouldn’t chalk it all up to image. The fact remains that over 80% of self-identified white evangelical voters cast their lot with Trump. Moreover, despite a host of missteps and scandals, overall evangelical support for Trump as president hasn’t declined but grown.

Is that change primarily in the numerator or the denominator?
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