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#21 golden_valley

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:53 PM

View PostLFC, on 26 October 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

After years of low simmer it appears that the House is ready to jump in to the abortion fight again though not quite all the way. Bold is mine and is the Christianist pay-off.

That is a Christianist pay-off. Next will come legislation requiring reporting, a death certificate, and burial of a miscarried fetus a la Indiana under Gov. Pence.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 02:26 PM

Mississippi is also performing top-notch Christianist Cruelty ™ in their efforts to be the bashingest gay bashers in the country.

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Two years after the country declared that #LoveWins, where is the love for Mississippi?

Mississippi’s House Bill 1523, one of the cruelest pieces of legislative retaliation against the LGBT community ever written, has been in effect since Oct. 10 after an injunction against it was lifted.

It specifically protects three religious beliefs—that marriage can only be heterosexual, that gender cannot be changed, and that premarital sex is immoral—and allows business owners to deny service to LGBT people based on those beliefs. It is more than just a license to discriminate; it is almost a specific invitation to do so.

To be clear, this law is being challenged in the courts. In fact, it took a long time to go into effect—after originally being signed in April 2016—due to legal challenges brought by the national organization Lambda Legal and local LGBT advocates.

Just last week, as the Associated Press reported, a judge allowed the LGBT rights group Campaign for Southern Equality to reopen a lawsuit against the Mississippi law. Then this Monday, the same group filed another appeal against the law. As was the case with Missisippi’s ban on same-sex adoption, it wouldn’t be a surprise if HB 1523 eventually died a long, slow, judicial death—potentially in the Supreme Court itself.

In the meantime, though, it’s telling that Missisippi’s anti-LGBT law—despite being even worse than Indiana’s or North Carolina’s—isn’t causing as much of a splash. Public and economic pressure seemed to be enough in those two states to get notoriously anti-LGBT laws neutered; Mississippi’s HB 1523, despite being covered by most major media outlets, hasn’t broken through the national conversation in the same way.

A month after North Carolina’s House Bill 2 went into effect, bathrooms became a national talking point. We were talking about Target’s restroom policy and tallying the economic impact of the bill. A month into HB 1523 going into effect, paying attention to the law’s impact has mostly fallen to local papers.

Part of that can be attributed to Mississippi’s reduced profile within the country as a whole.

Hey, if you're so dysfunctional that you rank at or near the bottom in almost every metric of livability then you might as well throw some red meat to your religious zealots to take their minds off of things. I smell a new state motto. Mississippi: We bash gays for votes and nobody notices!
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:06 PM

Churches as super-PACs. This has been a goal of America's Christianists for a long, long time.

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Buried in the final two pages of the 429-page legislation is a provision repealing the so-called “Johnson Amendment”—a 50-year-old policy that churches and other houses of worship can’t remain tax exempt if they endorse candidates or engage in partisan politicking from the pulpit.

The current law, which is almost never enforced by an IRS hesitant to meddle in religious affairs, has been a target of President Trump since the campaign trail. Government watchdog groups and secular advocacy groups say its repeal will lead to a dangerous mix of the sacred and the political.

“This new legislation seems like a recipe for disaster,” Common Cause President Karen Hobert Flynn said. “The legislative language would thrust the IRS into the sure-to-be-controversial task of determining whether the context and amount of expense qualifies for the new exemption.”

“The repeal of this rule would enable religious organizations to potentially operate like Super PACs,” warned the Secular Coalition for America.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:19 PM

Ugh.
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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:32 PM

View PostLFC, on 03 November 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

Churches as super-PACs. This has been a goal of America's Christianists for a long, long time.

Makes me crazy. I'm on the board of a 501©(3) and (4) that is political but not partisan. We stress over everything we do trying to make sure we aren't being supportive or oppositional to a political party while we take stands on legislation and general issues so that we can retain the ©(3) status. Churches won't have to bother if the Johnson Amendment is waived.

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 10:54 PM

View PostLFC, on 03 November 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

Churches as super-PACs. This has been a goal of America's Christianists for a long, long time.

I think people are also not seeing the hidden benefit for the POG. I can give a candidate money directly, but it's limited. I can give unlimited money to the PACs. But neither of those contributions are TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Giving money to a "church" IS deductible. So anyone can start up a church, with virtually no membership requirements or proof of any charitable outreach, and just use it to promote the POG. AND the donors get to write it off as charitable donations. If these are rich donors, the rest of the taxpayers are being bilked for even more money given the higher rates.

It won't even require Potemkin churches to spring up. Plenty of existing ones will use the money to hire more staff to "educate" the masses on voting for a Republican Christian agenda.
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Posted 05 November 2017 - 12:21 AM

...and of course the tax deduction benefits the 1% more than anybody else! :)
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Posted 05 November 2017 - 12:50 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 05 November 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

...and of course the tax deduction benefits the 1% more than anybody else! :)

Just ask Mitt Romney who received big tax deductions for supporting his club.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:32 PM

More payoff for selling their souls. Here's a list of 7 truly vile judicial picks who have no Senate Republican opposing them. The one thing they have in common is that they are all hard-core dedicated gay bashers. In other words the people Rod Dreher told us we should be nice to since they "lost". Here's #1 on the list.

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1. Jeff Mateer

The most notorious of Trump’s anti-gay judicial nominees is Jeff Mateer, nominated to serve in the Eastern District of Texas. Unusually for a judicial pick, he’s managed to earn his own hashtag, #stopmateer.

In 2015, Mateer said in a speech that parents suing on behalf of their transgender children “really shows you how Satan’s plan is working and the destruction that’s going on.” In the same speech, he said regarding same-sex marriage that “there’ll be no line there… I mean, it’s disgusting. I’ve learned words I didn’t know... Somebody wanted to marry a tree. People marrying their pets. It’s just like—you know, you read the New Testament and you read about all the things and you think, ‘Oh, that’s not going on in our community.’ Oh yes it is. We’re back to that time where debauchery rules.”

This is someone who will be called upon, for decades, to decide the fate of LGBT people involved in custody disputes, employment claims, anti-discrimintion actions: someone who finds transgender kids to be part of Satan’s plan, and who thinks that marriages like mine are no different from people marrying pets (or a tree).

The speech wasn’t some one-off aberration either. Also in 2015, Mateer attended the “National Religious Liberty Conference” hosted by Kevin Swanson, who has said that society should impose the death penalty for homosexuality, has predicted that God will punish America because of Harry Potter’s “homosexual mentor” Dumbledore, has said that Frozen is a Satanic plot to make children gay, and has blamed Hurricane Harvey on Houston’s “pro-homosexual mayor.” Mateer has not made any statements distancing himself from Swanson.

At that conference, Mateer himself shared his views about Obergefell v. Hodges. He also said that no honest attorney could defend the Supreme Court’s marriage equality decision, and gave a presentation warning of LGBT “brainwashing” and “reprogramming” efforts. He went as far as to say that Obergefell v. Hodges is “not the law of the land” because “it’s a 5-4 decision with Justice Kennedy joining the four liberals.” This is someone whose life-tenure job would require him to respect Supreme Court precedent—except, presumably, those he doesn’t personally consider to be the law of the land because liberals decided the outcome.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:11 AM

Sees like most of his rulings would not survive appeal.
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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:24 AM

View PostTraveler, on 17 November 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

Sees like most of his rulings would not survive appeal.

That depends on how many appellate judges Trump gets to appoint by the time an appeal got to the Circuit Court.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 03:02 PM

Another hypocritical Christianist sellout, though to be fair this guy has proven himself to be as sketchy as they come for many years. I can't remember where it was posted (and I might have even been the one to post it) but one writer called the hard-right Christianists relationship with Trump "transactional". This Christianist freely admits it. All can be ignored if you get what you want. I'm pretty sure that's a direct quote from Jeebus (in English and everything!).

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Anti-LGBT activist Tony Perkins explained how conservative Christians like himself are able to overlook President Donald Trump’s moral failings.

The Family Research Council president knows porn actress Stormy Daniels claims the president paid her $130,000 in hush money weeks before the 2016 election, and he’s aware of Trump’s long public track record of lewd and crude behavior, reported Politico Magazine.

But Perkins told the magazine’s “Off Message” podcast that he’s found a way to justify his support for a president who has spent 70 years violating the moral standards he espouses.

“We kind of gave him — ‘All right, you get a mulligan. You get a do-over here,’” Perkins said.

Perkins is able to overlook Trump’s personal depravity because the president has signaled support for anti-LGBT and anti-abortion policies promoted by the Family Research Council and other right-wing Christian groups.

Evangelical Christians “were tired of being kicked around by Barack Obama and his leftists,” Perkins said, “and I think they are finally glad that there’s somebody on the playground that is willing to punch the bully.”

Politico’s Edward-Isaac Dovere asked whether that was consistent with Christ’s teachings about turning the other cheek, and Perkins justified that, as well.

“You know, you only have two cheeks,” Perkins says. “Look, Christianity is not all about being a welcome mat which people can just stomp their feet on.”

Perkins said evangelical leaders believe Trump will enact their policy goals, even if he doesn’t share their religious views, in exchange for their political loyalty.

“I don’t think this president is using evangelicals,” Perkins said. “I think he genuinely enjoys the relationship that had developed. He has found, I think — and he’s a very transactional president. Trust is important to him. Loyalty is important to him, and I think in this transaction, he realizes, ‘Hey, these are people I can count on, because they don’t blow with the political winds.'”

He said Trump had “delivered” more than any other president of his lifetime, but Perkins singled out Secretary of State Rex Tillerson as a disappointment because he hadn’t worked to halt liberal activism in other countries.

“We’re seeing Soros dollars being connected with USAID funds and they’re creating these pro-abortion, pro-communist groups in some cases, working to take down conservative governments,” Perkins said.

Perkins recognizes that Trump challenges the morals he tries to teach his five children, including a 10-year-old son, but he’s found a way to explain away those concerns to his family.

“These things that are said about (Trump) bother him, and he is one of those people, like most people, looking for acceptance, not rejection,” Perkins said. “That’s why his reference to the polls and stuff like that, and so when someone on TV, a talking head is saying things about him, his natural reaction is to respond, and I think that’s what he’s done with Twitter, and so, in terms of my family, my kids growing up in a Christian home, and as we talk about these things, there’s an understanding that he has a need, and he wants to be accepted, and these things that are said are hurtful.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 08:26 PM

"Soros dollars". George always gets to be a boogie man for these types.

I wonder if Perkins imagines Soros is funding a series of universities around the globe like Abortion Tech. All students have to participate in satanic sex rituals to impregnate females so that they can be used as lab experiments for students to dismember. To graduate, all students have to swear off heterosexuality and become gay and transgendered. To graduate with honors, you have to have at least 3 performance uploads to Pornhub. But that's only after they have passed 60 credit hours of advanced Marxist studies.
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 09:44 PM

View Postpnwguy, on 23 January 2018 - 08:26 PM, said:

"Soros dollars". George always gets to be a boogie man for these types.

I wonder if Perkins imagines Soros is funding a series of universities around the globe like Abortion Tech. All students have to participate in satanic sex rituals to impregnate females so that they can be used as lab experiments for students to dismember. To graduate, all students have to swear off heterosexuality and become gay and transgendered. To graduate with honors, you have to have at least 3 performance uploads to Pornhub. But that's only after they have passed 60 credit hours of advanced Marxist studies.


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 10:39 PM

I just heard Franklin Graham say that God put Trump in office and even if he was flawed God put him there and we need to support him.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 01:35 AM

View Postgolden_valley, on 23 January 2018 - 10:39 PM, said:

I just heard Franklin Graham say that God put Trump in office and even if he was flawed God put him there and we need to support him.
And by the same logic, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and so on were divinely appointed to their roles. So pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer shouldn't have spoken out about Hitler but given him godly support.
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:55 AM

View Postpnwguy, on 24 January 2018 - 01:35 AM, said:

And by the same logic, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and so on were divinely appointed to their roles. So pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer shouldn't have spoken out about Hitler but given him godly support.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:13 AM

View Postpnwguy, on 24 January 2018 - 01:35 AM, said:

And by the same logic, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and so on were divinely appointed to their roles.

Well, sure. But not Obama -- there has to be a limit somewhere.
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:16 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 24 January 2018 - 08:13 AM, said:

Well, sure. But not Obama -- there has to be a limit somewhere.

But isn't anti-christ also part of the divine plan?

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:58 AM

View PostProbabilistic, on 24 January 2018 - 08:16 AM, said:

But isn't anti-christ also part of the divine plan?

Cafeteria Christians, remember? They're all in for Armageddon tomorrow, but not for Antichrist today.

Alternately, do you recall Augustine's prayer to be made "pure, but not yet?"
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