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#1 LFC

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 03:17 PM

The right-wing Christians sold their souls when they supported Trump and now his administration is paying out in spades, and not just in handing them a Supreme Court Justice they like. And Jeff Sessions is a huge part of the payoff delivery mechanism because he's a true believer. May God ™ have mercy on their souls.

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The most significant of last week’s attacks was the legal guidance (PDF) on religious liberty issued by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who despite apparently lying under oath and being called “very weak” and “very unfair” by Trump, is still attorney general, and still implementing the extreme right-wing views which he has held for decades.

In addition to several thousand words of hand-waving on the importance of religious liberty—which no one, of course, disputes—the guidance takes the most pro-right-wing and anti-women/anti-LGBT interpretation of the constitution and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). As a result, the federal government will not prosecute religious organizations for discriminating in the hiring and firing of employees (even those whose work has nothing to do with religion, from hospital janitors to cafeteria cooks), will not take action against businesses who turn way gay customers (or anyone else), and will allow government-funded adoption and foster agencies to refuse to place children with gay families.

Those, of course, are just three examples of a government-wide policy to favor conservative religious claims over civil rights.

Rea Carey, executive director of the National LGBTQ Task Force, issued a statement with several examples of how this plays out in practice. “The guidance is meant to ‘protect’ the anti-LGBTQ child welfare worker who is opposed to placing young people in foster care with a lesbian couple. It is meant to ‘protect’ the transphobic shelter worker who refuses to give a transgender person a place to sleep for the night… It’s meant to ‘protect’ the pharmacist who wants to make decisions for others and refuses to administer birth control. The list goes on.”

Indeed, tracking the impact of the Sessions memo will be difficult, because it will be implemented by thousands of decisions not to enforce civil rights laws against fundamentalist Christians who have decided to opt out of them.

This is what you get when you let the right-wingnuts redefine long-held terms.

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Religious freedom didn’t used to mean this. For 220 years, the First Amendment meant that the government can’t police your religious beliefs and practices. It never used to mean that you can use those beliefs to take away someone else’s rights.

But just after they did after desegregation became the law of the land, Christian fundamentalists are asking to be exempted from following the same laws as everyone else. And Jeff Sessions has just exempted them.

There's more depressing regression in our nation. We're slipping closer towards being a theocracy.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 07:21 PM

Guys and Gals, I look at it as a preminatory glimpse into the windows of hell, for all those voters that succumbed to false equivalence. Most of those are still rabid, but enough others have stared into the abyss to wonder what they unleashed. And regret it. I see that on the BB board a lot. The resentment by the right is still there, burning hot. But responsibility is now rearing its head in many former Dump voters.

For now, resistance lies in the courts. Hopefully, in 2019 with a different Congress. Checks and balances will prevail. And 2020 should be usher in a new wave.

If Dems ever address the issues. A big if.
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:49 PM

View PostTraveler, on 10 October 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

If Dems ever address the issues. A big if.

You have more faith in the Democratic party than I do. Few organizations can seize defeat from the jaws of victory like they can.

Between gerrymandering and a duopoly of political parties, American's choices for national political leaders will suck indefinitely. As I get older, I'm more inclined to wish for a parliamentary system, with coalitions who govern.
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 11:49 PM

Democrats are gonna fail because there's an insurgency brewed up by Sanders supporters who want to challenge the established Democrats. We're hearing rumblings of this in CA. My moderate Dem Congressman is being targeted not just by the GOP but by a Democratic insurgent too. In this evenly divided district that just puts the incumbent in a weaker position. Now that Dianne Feinstein has said she'll run for re-election there is noise about a Democratic insurgent challenging her too. This is the wrong time to do it but they don't care.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:59 PM

The Anointed One who was chosen to Make America Great Again received a rock-star greeting today at the "Values Voters" summit. It's too bad some quick thinking entrepreneur wasn't there selling palm fronds to the crowd, so they could have lined his walk to the podium.

http://www.politico....mit-2017-243751

This adjacent article may partially explain who so many Protestants worship Dumpster. Combine that with the "prosperity gospel" philosophy, and it's easier to understand the self-delusion of supporting a lunatic.

http://www.politico....thinking-215704

It's been reported that almost everyone in NoKo has been force-fed the idea from birth that the Kim's are deities, and that worship is wide-spread, even as those despots have murdered and starved their citizens for decades. Why do we think that only happens in a dysfunctional place like North Korea?
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:49 PM

A blogger on religion named Slacktivist (aka Fred Clark) wrote a good piece recently about Gorsuch and his faults:

Fundamentalism is Not Conservatism (Biblically or Constitutionally)

Other recent pieces by Slacktivist, related both to the piece linked above and the content of the DK piece I wrote back in 2014 and once referenced here (A Confederate Preacher explains modern Republicans to you). These links are for you, Bikkies, as I know it's hard to understand these people from where you're sitting:

Slavery and the way we read the Bible: The picture is accurate, but it’s upside-down

Slavery and the Creation of a Counterfeit ‘Biblical Civilization’ in America: 1619-1865

The Slacktivist pieces below relate to the profound change in the way abortion is regarded by evangelicals in this country:

White evangelicalism, 1975: Before the change (pt. 1)

White evangelicalism, 1975: Before the change (pt. 2)

White evangelicalism, 1975: Before the change (3)

White evangelicalism, 1975: Before the change (3.1)

White evangelicalism, 1975: Before the change (4)

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:02 PM

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 04:35 PM

Bachmann praises Trump as man of faith

http://thehill.com/b...as-man-of-faith

To be fair, he probably does worship himself at least six times a day.

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Bachmann went on to say that Trump is observant of God's authority over his life and presidency, which "should give us a lot of hope," said, arguing that faith "helps regulate our behavior."
Sounds like a divine intervention fail.
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 08:17 PM

Say ; Bachman must approve of Pussygrabbing.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 08:34 PM

View Postnuser, on 14 October 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

Say ; Bachman must approve of Pussygrabbing.

Well, since her husband appears to be in the closet, maybe she fantasizes about Trump's antics.
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 01:36 AM

Bachmann? Who's this Bachmann? Oh, yes, I remember now. And Sarah . . . Palin, wasn't it?
Reality is a hallucination caused by alcohol deprivation.

Only Satan can rebuke sin. The righteous don't know enough.

God is not dead. He was merely voted out of office.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 12:04 PM

View Postnuser, on 14 October 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

Say ; Bachman must approve of Pussygrabbing.

Like Jeebus?

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 04:27 PM

Trump looks to attack funds that help the availability of contraception and instead teach "fertility awareness" which is apparently the rebranding of the rhythm method. And as the old joke goes, what do you call a couple that uses the rhythm method? Parents. The Evanglicals must be over the moon about their savior.

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If the Trump administration got its way, the US Agency for International Development (USAID) budget for family planning would be slashed, with “no other family planning programming for girls except fertility awareness methods.” Lapsed Catholics should remember the phrase “fertility awareness” from confirmation class; it’s just a scienced-up term for “the rhythm method,” a form of birth control that doesn’t work for one-quarter of couples who use it.

Title X funding, which helps poor women afford contraception, would be slashed in half if Team Trump gets its way. Money would be diverted from sex education that emphasizes “risk reduction” and instead flow toward “sexual risk avoidance,” which is another term for “abstinence-only education.” Abstinence-only education doesn’t work. A report published this year declared the practice both “ineffective and unethical.”

The Title X money could also be diverted into childcare programs, or fertility awareness education. Women who want to be on birth control do not want childcare programs. They want to not be pregnant. That’s why they’re on birth control. They also would not like to learn about “fertility awareness,” a form of birth control that is much less effective than other, better forms of birth control the Trump administration would like us to pretend have not been invented.

For how stupid it is to promote “fertility awareness” over real contraception, let’s consider a theoretical model of car. Let’s say this car was, for 75 percent of the people who drove it, perfectly safe. But let’s say that for 25 percent of people who drove it for a year, the car would crash completely without warning and its driver would require hospitalization to recover. Promoting that car over an alternative car that crashed for, say, 0.01 percent of people (that’s the fail rate for a hormonal IUD) is fucking insane. So would telling people who didn’t want to drive the crashing car to perhaps, rather than getting a safer vehicle, simply not drive at all. That’s the Trump administration’s stance on birth control.

According to the document, a federal program designed to prevent teen pregnancy “needs to be defunded as it has not worked, there is no positive evidence and some negative evidence.” Teen pregnancy in the U.S. just reached its lowest point since records were initially kept. So have abortion rates. That means that teens are either having much less sex than they were before or are not getting pregnant in the first place. Experts believe that the drop in teen fertility and abortion rates is due to greater availability of long term birth control and comprehensive sex education. What the government has done to bring us to this point is absolutely effective.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 04:35 PM

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 04:39 PM

From a site called "A Libertarian Future".

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 04:40 PM

Another silly cartoon illustrating the same silly belief.

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 12:37 PM

After years of low simmer it appears that the House is ready to jump in to the abortion fight again though not quite all the way. Bold is mine and is the Christianist pay-off.

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House Republicans are scheduled to hold a hearing next week on legislation that would ban abortion at the first detection of a fetal heartbeat—often something that happens about six weeks into pregnancy, before many women even know they're pregnant.

Representative Steve King (R-Iowa) introduced the bill, known as the "Heartbeat Protection Act of 2017," in January. He modeled it after a bill that made it to Ohio Governor John Kasich's desk in December 2016. Kasich ultimately vetoed the bill in favor of a 20-week abortion ban, which was seen as more likely to hold up in court than the much stricter fetal heartbeat bill.

State legislators have tried for years to push through six-week abortion bans, but none have succeeded—largely because they're unconstitutional and can cost states hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars in court costs if they decide to appeal decisions to block the bans. The state of North Dakota in 2013 paid $245,000 in legal fees after losing a challenge to its fetal heartbeat legislation. Much to conservative lawmakers' chagrin, the money went to the state's sole abortion provider.

This is the first time federal lawmakers have staken a stab at a six-week abortion ban—part of the GOP's grand plan to outlaw the procedure nationwide.

"We think this bill properly applied does eliminate a large, large share of the abortions—90% or better—of the abortions in America,” King told reporters in January.

Like its counterparts in state legislatures, King's fetal heartbeat bill appears doomed, as it would violate protections granted to women seeking abortions in Roe v. Wade. But King feels certain that by the time appeals related to the bill reach the country's highest court, President Donald Trump will have had an opportunity to appoint a new Supreme Court justice keen on overturning the landmark decision, giving Republicans an opening to make abortion illegal.

"By the time we march this thing down to the Supreme Court, the faces on the bench will be different—we just don’t know how much different, but I’m optimistic," said King.

His confidence in such a blatantly unconstitutional bill represents an emboldening of Republicans under Trump, whose administration has made its intention to dismantle women's reproductive rights quite clear.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:14 PM

View PostLFC, on 20 October 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

From a site called "A Libertarian Future".

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No, I don't think so. This Venn diagram is faulty. First, the idea that there is no difference in positions on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government-run schools, and marriage discrimination is pure baloney. Second, although it's true there are plenty of Republicans and Democrats who share common ground on the other items listed in the intersection, it is untrue to say that the parties taken as a whole are identical on those issues.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:25 PM

View PostLFC, on 20 October 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

Trump looks to attack funds that help the availability of contraception and instead teach "fertility awareness" which is apparently the rebranding of the rhythm method. And as the old joke goes, what do you call a couple that uses the rhythm method? Parents. The Evanglicals must be over the moon about their savior.

Colorado apparently didn't read the report.

(Neither, FWIW, did Montana. I have an in there with the Title X administrator and their epidemiologists.)
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Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:38 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 26 October 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

No, I don't think so. This Venn diagram is faulty. First, the idea that there is no difference in positions on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government-run schools, and marriage discrimination is pure baloney. Second, although it's true there are plenty of Republicans and Democrats who share common ground on the other items listed in the intersection, it is untrue to say that the parties taken as a whole are identical on those issues.

Of course anyone can put what ever they want in the intersecting part of the graph when it is not based on any real data. Looking at the actual voting records shows that it is nothing more than what they want it to be. Voting Records of the Parties Huge difference.
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