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Posted 23 September 2017 - 03:30 PM

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 04:09 PM

View PostProbabilistic, on 05 September 2017 - 11:41 PM, said:



Ensures forceful change is truly cost prohibitive, i.e., not taking any chances (US has a history of not attacking nuclear weapons states; whereas some history of regime change in non-nuclear weapons states)... and potentially cleave US-South Korean alliance.

Presumably in the Kim family's thinking, Nukes + ICBMs with capacity to hit the west coast reduces the chances of US misadventure even further.

Beyond the US, there is the on-going Ukraine mess (after Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons).

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 12:46 PM

Trump's approach is working out nicely.

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North Korea’s foreign minister accused US President Donald Trump on Monday of declaring war on his country and warned that Pyongyang would defend itself by shooting down US bombers.

“Trump claimed our leadership would not be around much longer,” North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong-ho told reporters outside his hotel in New York. “He declared a war on our country.”

“All the member states and the whole world should clearly remember it was the United States that first declared war on our country,” Ri said.

“Since the United States declared war on our country, we will have every right to take counter-measures including the right to shoot down US strategic bombers even when they are not yet inside the airspace border of our country,” he said.

“The question of who won’t be around much longer will be answered then.”

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:08 PM

View PostLFC, on 25 September 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:


I'm sure South Korea and Japan are thrilled.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:01 AM

View PostLFC, on 25 September 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:


All that is left is for them to separate and yell "Neener Neener" at each other.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:03 AM

In addition to his other folly, Trump has made clear that he has zero idea of the vast cultural differences in how communication and respect work in the west and east.

Nor does he care.

I don't know what it's going to be, but we are all going to get bitten in the ass bigtime by something due to this clown-disaster. A nation cannot do what it did last year without being solidly punished.

ETA: I knew there was a quote in the back of my head that inspired that last line: "No nation is permitted to live in ignorance with impunity." --Thomas Jefferson
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:39 AM

View Postcmk, on 26 September 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

In addition to his other folly, Trump has made clear that he has zero idea of the vast cultural differences in how communication and respect work in the west and east.

Nor does he care.

I don't know what it's going to be, but we are all going to get bitten in the ass bigtime by something due to this clown-disaster. A nation cannot do what it did last year without being solidly punished.

Dump has no idea how communication and respect work here, never mind in other cultures. He ran for Pres. because he felt he wasn't respected, and still thinks everyone has to respect him now just because he won (on a fluke). Not how it works.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:50 AM

The respect of the presidency hasn't pulled up Trump's. The opposite happened -- as it usually does with such things.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 08:30 AM

View Postcmk, on 26 September 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

I don't know what it's going to be, but we are all going to get bitten in the ass bigtime by something due to this clown-disaster.

Agreed. The question isn't "whether" we will be bitten in the ass. The questions are "when", "in what form", "how long will the biting endure", and "for how long will the marks remain". Consider this: Nearly a half-century after the Tet offensive (arguably the peak of the Vietnam War), there are still bitter divisions in this country regarding that conflict. Although it is unclear right now whether the bite will end up coming from within or without, something has been exposed in this country that will not get bandaged over quickly once the current POTUS leaves office, regardless of how that departure comes about.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 08:45 AM

View PostBact PhD, on 26 September 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:



Agreed. The question isn't "whether" we will be bitten in the ass. The questions are "when", "in what form", "how long will the biting endure", and "for how long will the marks remain". Consider this: Nearly a half-century after the Tet offensive (arguably the peak of the Vietnam War), there are still bitter divisions in this country regarding that conflict. Although it is unclear right now whether the bite will end up coming from within or without, something has been exposed in this country that will not get bandaged over quickly once the current POTUS leaves office, regardless of how that departure comes about.

If you live in PR, the bite is happening. Dump twitters about the NFL while PR suffers.

And Congress struggled mightily to take away people's health care.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 08:51 AM

View PostBact PhD, on 26 September 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

Agreed. The question isn't "whether" we will be bitten in the ass. The questions are "when", "in what form", "how long will the biting endure", and "for how long will the marks remain". Consider this: Nearly a half-century after the Tet offensive (arguably the peak of the Vietnam War), there are still bitter divisions in this country regarding that conflict.

Now substitute "Civil" for "Vietnam" and see how that works.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 11:06 AM

View Postandydp, on 26 September 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

All that is left is for them to separate and yell "Neener Neener" at each other.

May I suggest...

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 11:08 AM

View Postcmk, on 26 September 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

In addition to his other folly, Trump has made clear that he has zero idea of the vast cultural differences in how communication and respect work in the west and east.

Of course not but that's why you have skilled, experienced people in the State Department lead by an able diplomat so that they can explai... Oh. Never mind.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 11:16 AM

Trump wouldn't be as disastrous as he is were it not for the media. This is no great insight. We all know they enabled him right into the Presidency of the United States, the most powerful office on earth. Even now, even after guys like Les Moonves--who inexplicably hasn't yet expiated his shame in the only possible fashion--have started to come around to the idea that maybe Trump isn't "great for CBS," even now a large segment of the media enables him. Even now--and this is also hard to fathom--if he manages with great effort to give a speech that isn't prima facie proof of profound mental or moral incapacity there are pundits who speculate about a "pivot." I don't even believe that most of them believe their own drivel. They aren't giving their honest and informed opinion. They're writing product they know they can sell, just as Trump news and puffery sold in 2016.

Trump is a disaster-generator and we won't outlast him or get rid of him without more disasters, but we demonstrably won't be even close to safe even after he's gone. Not unless and until the culture of the country and the media changes sufficiently that people like Les Moonves and Murdoch and the late Roger Ailes are pariahs shunned into seclusion. I hate to sound like a Woody Allen movie (can't stand that guy), but we need more guilt and shame. Lots more.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 11:53 AM

Roger Ailes died? Damn, I hate when I miss good news.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:00 PM

View PostMSheridan, on 26 September 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

....They're writing product they know they can sell, just as Trump news and puffery sold in 2016.

Trump is a disaster-generator and we won't outlast him or get rid of him without more disasters, but we demonstrably won't be even close to safe even after he's gone. Not unless and until the culture of the country and the media changes sufficiently that people like Les Moonves and Murdoch and the late Roger Ailes are pariahs shunned into seclusion. I hate to sound like a Woody Allen movie (can't stand that guy), but we need more guilt and shame. Lots more.

In a country where more people are focused on Kardashians than millions struggling to recover in Puerto Rico, I'm not optimistic. Dumpster is P.T. Barnum on steroids, and he knows how to play suckers better than most anyone in politics. But he's too narcissistic to worry about whether he takes the country down with him.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:01 PM

View Postcmk, on 26 September 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

Roger Ailes died? Damn, I hate when I miss good news.

We can toast the occasion again tonight, then!

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:52 PM

This is...interesting.

North Korea seeks help from Republican analysts: ‘What’s up with Trump?’

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North Korean government officials have been quietly trying to arrange talks with Republican-linked analysts in Washington, in an apparent attempt to make sense of President Trump and his confusing messages to Kim Jong Un’s regime.

The outreach began before the current eruption of threats between the two leaders, but will likely become only more urgent as Trump and Kim have descended into name-calling that, many analysts worry, sharply increases the chances of potentially catastrophic misunderstandings.

“Their No. 1 concern is Trump. They can’t figure him out,” said one person with direct knowledge of North Korea’s approach to Asia experts with Republican connections.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:52 PM

View PostProgressive whisperer, on 26 September 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:



We can toast the occasion again tonight, then!

Taibbi did a decent obituary over at Rolling Stone:

Roger Ailes Was One of the Worst Americans Ever


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 01:03 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 26 September 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:


Good luck with that! Too crazy for NK's leadership to figure out, finally found a doable superlative!

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