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#361 golden_valley

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Posted 31 July 2019 - 11:12 AM

Where is the love? Missile testing and now:

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North Korea has also threatened to pull out of denuclearization talks with the United States if the military exercises go ahead, claiming that they would break a promise made by Trump to Kim Jong Un when the two leaders met at the demilitarized zone between the two Koreas at the end of June.

Or maybe Trump didn't get the message to stop South Korea from using F35 As and to stop the military exercises there.

On the other hand, Trump got this message:

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Scott Snyder, a Korea expert at the Council on Foreign Relations, said Trump’s subdued response to last week’s launches has given Pyongyang no incentive to stop testing.

“President Trump has said he is not bothered by it, so why not?” he said. “North Korea is normalizing the idea that they can continue testing below a certain threshold.”




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Posted 31 July 2019 - 12:05 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 31 July 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

Where is the love? Missile testing and now:

Remember just a few short months ago when Trump's marching morons were pointing to the lack of missile tests to a great success?
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 01:12 PM

marching morons. Nice.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 02:52 PM

View PostTraveler, on 31 July 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

marching morons. Nice.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 05:16 PM

View PostTraveler, on 31 July 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

marching morons. Nice.

A little more than just that, it is a solution, too. https://en.wikipedia...Marching_Morons
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 05:11 PM

Larison writes that North Korea has had enough of Pompeo.

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It appears that North Korea has had just about all the swagger it can stomach:

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North Korea’s foreign minister on Friday called U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo a “poisonous plant of American diplomacy” who hampers efforts to restart nuclear negotiations.

Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho made the insult to protest Pompeo’s comments in a media interview that Washington will maintain crippling sanctions on North Korea unless it denuclearizes.

This is not the first time that North Korean officials have denounced Pompeo, but it represents another clear rejection of the current U.S. position of trying to compel North Korean disarmament without offering them anything. The full North Korean statement can be read here:

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KCNA has posted its full English comments. Haven't seen this kind of attack on Pompeo in a while. pic.twitter.com/xTnXu2Mwkt

— William Gallo (@GalloVOA) August 23, 2019

North Korea is being as clear as it can be that it isn’t going to make any concessions without at least some sanctions relief. The North Korean foreign minister’s statement says, “The U.S. is sadly mistaken if it still thinks of standing in confrontation with the DPRK with sanctions, not dropping its confrontational stand.” The administration’s misguided assumption that they can sanction North Korea into submission isn’t just wrong, but it is also sabotaging any chance at productive talks this year. Pompeo’s remarks about maintaining sanctions until North Korea denuclearizes probably seemed like so much boilerplate to him when he said it, but it set the North Korean government off. Pompeo’s statements show that the U.S. isn’t paying attention to what North Korea has been telling us for the last several months. They are running out of patience, and the Trump administration is running out of time. The problem is that only one side seems to be aware that time is running out.

The piece goes on to talk about just how Pompeo has managed to continually piss them off, seemingly with no strategic plan on why he's doing it. Here's the finish:

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Pompeo comes back again and again to the “commitment” Kim supposedly made at Singapore, but Kim didn’t make the commitment that Pompeo always attributes to him. North Korea didn’t agree to denuclearization last year, and it certainly didn’t agree to unilateral disarmament, but Pompeo keeps misleading the American public about this. The North Koreans know they didn’t make any such commitment, and they aren’t going to “execute” something they never agreed to do. Pompeo’s fabrications may not be noticed by American media outlets, but every time he speaks he is giving North Korea another reason not to trust the U.S.

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 11:19 AM

Face it. trump already gave the NK what it wanted, no more exercises. For nothing. I think Pompeo is right to hassle them. Being nice does no good. Being an asshole has to be good for something...
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Posted 28 August 2019 - 12:26 PM

More winning by Trump!

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Satellite photos of a secret North Korean naval facility appear to show that Kim Jong Un's government is building a submarine capable of launching nuclear missiles, according to NBC News. The photos were taken earlier this week at the Sinpo South Shipyard and appear to show a large submarine alongside support vessels and a crane that experts say could be used to tow a vessel out to sea for a submarine-launched missile test. However, analysts don't think the submarine can currently be used, saying the threat from the new technology is “emerging rather than imminent.” Even after it is built, it would reportedly take at least a year to test the submarine. However, the experts say the completion of the project would mark a “significant advancement of the North Korean ballistic missile and nuclear threat.”

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 03:35 AM

View PostLFC, on 28 August 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:


More fake news <sigh>. It really seems to becoming a problem, folks, the old fake news. Should it be looked into?
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Posted 02 January 2020 - 01:09 PM

Kim has played Trump like the naive fool that he is. Now he's not just going back to his programs, it sounds like he's going full speed ahead.

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Unusually, Kim Jong Un’s yearly New Year’s Day Address, taking after his grandfather’s annual January 1 speeches, appears to have been set aside this year in favor of a 4,300 word report, presented officially to the fifth plenum of the 7th Central Committee of the Korean Workers’ Party.

The document marks the culmination of several months of a strategic rethink that began earlier this year after the spectacular collapse of U.S.-North Korea talks in Hanoi, Vietnam.

One can say a lot in 4,300 words—and Kim Jong Un does. Optimists, including perhaps President Donald Trump, who already has called Kim a “man of his word,” may choose to ignore the sharp statements that indicate a dangerous turn in Pyongyang’s policy. But in Kim’s report the bottom line on talks with the United States is one of frustration, dejection, and defiance.

As explicit as ever, Kim ruled out the notion of diplomacy with the United States on disarmament, likening his nuclear force to his country’s “dignity” and categorically rejected the notion that this could be traded for a “brilliant transformation,” apparently alluding to the kind of proposition put forth days earlier by President Trump’s national security adviser, Robert C. O’Brien. If only Kim would give up nuclear weapons, O’Brien said, it would open up “a glorious path for the people of North Korea, where they can become like South Korea, and be a very prosperous, very wealthy country.”

Kim has other plans. As laid out in the plenum report, he sees the key to keeping his nuclear weapons and winning relief from economic sanctions that have constrained North Korea’s economy as more nukes, better missiles, and thus more leverage. Kim said that there was no sense in North Korea adhering to a now nearly two-year-long moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile testing “any longer,” setting up a new round of testing to showcase qualitative advancements in North Korean capabilities.

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 01:12 PM

View PostLFC, on 02 January 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

Kim has played Trump like the naive fool that he is. Now he's not just going back to his programs, it sounds like he's going full speed ahead.
We in the west coast cities are traitorous Human Scum anyway. So Dumpster isn't worried about missiles that reach here.
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Posted 10 February 2020 - 02:56 PM

Looks like that's over.

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The warming of relations between the U.S. and North Korea was once lauded by President Donald Trump as one of his great achievements in office—but now it seems he’s completely lost interest in it. CNN reports Trump has told his top foreign-policy advisers that he has absolutely no desire for another summit with Kim Jong Un, and one official said efforts to strike a denuclearization deal with North Korea are “dead.” The two leaders have had a roller-coaster relationship since Trump took office—they began by exchanging insults, then the president said they “fell in love” after meeting, then apparently fell out again following a failed third summit. A senior member of the North Korean government described Trump as a “dotard” in December after Trump once again called Kim “Rocket Man,” bringing their relationship back to square one. Trump officials told CNN the North Korea issue will be put on ice until after the election because the potential risks of a diplomatic failure outweigh any potential benefits for his re-election.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:44 PM

View PostLFC, on 10 February 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:


He, like all the other presidents before him, failed to get North Korea to do anything it did not want to do. No Nobel. Not even a Twitter storm breaking up with King Jung Un.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 08:52 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 10 February 2020 - 06:44 PM, said:


He, like all the other presidents before him, failed to get North Korea to do anything it did not want to do. No Nobel. Not even a Twitter storm breaking up with King Jung Un.

It’s tough when a bromance is over. Bets on the next insult festival ?
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Posted 21 April 2020 - 11:11 AM

Kim Jong Un has completely disappeared from public life including missing a huge nationalist holiday.

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South Korean officials have been forced to deny that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is gravely ill following suspected heart surgery, after the 36-year-old missed a string of key state events last week including the annual celebration of the nation’s founder.


South Korea is saying that the surgery story is just a rumor and they actually have no idea what's going on with him. I don't believe he has children so if he dies I suspect there will be a succession shit-show.
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Posted 21 April 2020 - 11:58 AM

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South Korean officials have been forced to deny that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is gravely ill following suspected heart surgery, after the 36-year-old missed a string of key state events last week including the annual celebration of the nation’s founder.

Suspected heart? Perhaps the NK ruling class suspected he had a heart and had him killed. Not a defining attribute of their statesmen, to say the least, and if true they must have feared the worst and sorted the problem.
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Posted 19 June 2020 - 09:15 AM

Kim Jong Un is still mostly missing but his sister, Kim Yo Jong, is in the public eye and she's turning up the heat between the two Koreas for whatever reason. Maybe Trump hasn't given them enough love, attention, and spotlight? Maybe their nation is falling apart due to COVID-19. Maybe people are just unhappy with the continuing North Korean shitshow. Whatever it is she is grasping at anything she can so she can take grave offense. In the past this has been used to justify military maneuvering. Who knows what she wants out of this, how far she's prepared to push, and with her brother so far off the radar how much personal muscle she has. As ever North Korea is an unpredictable shit-show.

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The new thrust of North Korean military action above the North-South line exposes the weakness of the U.S. and South Korea in the face of whatever surprises the North is planning next.

U.S. President Donald Trump has shown himself more interested in squeezing Seoul for money to pay for keeping American troops in South Korea than in standing up to increasingly aggressive North Korean efforts at instilling fear in the South.

As if the demolition of a modern multi-story North-South liaison office were not dramatic enough, North Korea raised the rhetorical stakes Thursday, vowing “the explosive sound of justice” would “go far beyond the imagination of those who make a noise about what could unfold.” That liaison office blast, said Rodong Sinmun, organ of the North’s ruling party, was “just the beginning.”

The paper warned "the military's announcement that it is mulling a detailed military action plan should be taken seriously.” This amid South Korean reports of North Korean troops entering the former Kaesong Industrial Complex, site of the liaison office, in force.

Earlier, the North’s Korean People’s Army general staff said it was ordering troops into both the Kaesong zone, just 40 miles north of Seoul, and the abandoned Mount Kumgang tourist zone on the east coast above the Demilitarized Zone, or DMZ, that has separated North and South since 1953.

The North Korean troops would be the vanguard of substantial forces positioned close behind them. About three quarters of the North’s 1.2 million troops are said to be within 100 miles of the DMZ with large units stationed nearer. North Korea also has thousands of artillery pieces well hidden beyond the DMZ, including long-range cannon capable of reaching Seoul.

From positions all along the DMZ, North Korean forces could launch sudden ground attacks on South Korean troops across the line and also open fire with artillery within range of Seoul, not to mention missiles capable of reaching targets deep in the South, including a major American base.

Kim Jong Un’s younger sister, Kim Yo Jong signaled those possibilities as she accused South Korea’s President Moon Jae-in of “shamelessness and impudence.” His offense was suggesting, in language she disdained, that envoys talk things over after the North blew away Moon’s hopes for reconciliation in the rubble of the liaison office.

Leading the rhetorical barrage from Pyongyang, as she has been doing throughout the current crisis, Kim Yo Jong fixed on the symbolic problem of North Korean defectors floating propaganda-laden balloons back into the land they escaped. Moon should have apologized and shown “repentance” along with a “firm pledge to prevent the recurrence of similar occurrences,” Kim Yo Jong declared. But she implied that her fury was caused by much deeper problems, including the South’s failure to oppose the United States and UN on sanctions against the North.

“Now they are trying to shift responsibility for the results of their own making on to us,” she said. “This is literally a brazen and preposterous act.”

The real fear is that behind the bold words lay a plan to stage incidents just short of a frontal attack on the South. That was implicit in the occupation of Kaesong complex, which is beside the truce village of Panmunjom where Moon and Kim signed a broad agreement on reconciliation in April 2018 and U.S. President Donald Trump staged a brief meet and greet photo op with Kim last year.

The language of the North Korean announcement bore the threat of more than just a symbolic display of strength. “Units of the regiment level and necessary firepower sub-units with defense mission will be deployed in the Mount Kumgang tourist area and the Kaesong Industrial Zone," it said. "Civil police posts that had been withdrawn from the Demilitarized Zone under the north-south agreement in the military field will be set up again to strengthen the guard over the front line.”

U.S. and South Korea troops could no doubt respond to “provocations” across the line, but the danger is North Korea would then unlimber its long-range artillery and, finally, the ballistic missiles that it’s got in its inventory.

“The real problem is once it escalates, what happens?” says retired South Korean Lieutenant General Chun In-bum. In the chaos of death and destruction, he says, “It doesn’t matter who wins.”

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Posted 19 June 2020 - 09:41 AM

View PostLFC, on 19 June 2020 - 09:15 AM, said:

As ever North Korea is an unpredictable shit-show.
And Kim Jong-un's lover, Trump Dong-small is doing his best to do the same for the U.S.
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