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Posted 27 November 2017 - 10:22 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 26 November 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

@Sinan: yes. What happens if the maximal happy ending occurs in a few years: a Democrat in the White House, and the Democrats controlling both houses? Are they going to be any less cowardly than the ironically named Grand Old Party? Any less driven by greed and fear of their corporate donors?

Less cowardly? Probably not. Less destructive and more competent? Our recent history of the past few decades resoundingly screams "YEEESSS!!!"

Less greed? Republicans have a massive tax giveaway we can't afford winding through Congress with huge corporate tax cuts and no loopholes closed. They are in the process of approving of one asshole after another to head regulatory agencies they hate with the goal of destroying them. They just passed a law to protect banks from lawsuits. They're running interference for Russia who, it appears, has been helping many of them. The Democrats passed Dodd-Frank, created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, believe in the EPA's mission, believe in anthropogenic global climate change and want to do something about it, support workers rights, support women's rights to equal pay, support equal rights in general, and on and on ... most (all?) of which do not fatten the wallets of the "right" people. So less greed? "F*** YEEESSS!!!"

And maximal happy ending? The finally gave our nation near universal healthcare the last time. They saved the nation from a downward spiral due to the Bush Bust. They moved environmental and equal rights legislation forward. I'd take a f***ing lifetime of that over what we have now.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 11:45 AM

View PostLFC, on 27 November 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

Less greed? Republicans have a massive tax giveaway we can't afford winding through Congress with huge corporate tax cuts and no loopholes closed.

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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 11:55 AM

Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist who hates what his party has become, says there's no coming back from backing Moore. He has a lot more to say about the people who now seem to have control of the GOP as well.

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A society where nothing is forgivable is as untenable as one where every transgression is hand-waved away. The things we forgive in the name of compassion should be many. The things we forgive in the name of comity should be large. That said, the things we forgive in service to partisan tribalism should be tightly constrained.

The things we should forgive for a child-molesting, law-breaking, edge-case wackjob who will stain the Senate and the Republican Party with his creepy sexual predilections, his contempt for the rule of law, his thinly veiled racial animus, and his role in the firmament of Bannonite political arsonists? Pretty much nothing.

The judge’s behavior is unforgivable, no matter what your ideological leanings and party identification may be. That hasn’t stopped President Trump and Steve Bannon from continuing to back Roy Moore. The only people in Washington with even vaguely clean hands are in the hated Establishment, which dropped Moore like a radioactive potato after his grotesque behavior with teenage girls made the news.

This week, just to prove that its response to hitting rock bottom is to bellow “Keep digging!” the Trump administration sent a clear signal it’s perfectly happy with Moore’s history of serial child sexual assault as long as he’s a solid vote on their tax bill. It started on the weekend politics shows with Mick Mulvaney of the White House Budget office and Mark Short, the White House legislative liaison, rolling out the Team Trump line of “We’ll leave it to the people of Alabama to decide.”

This is an administration and a president with a declarative opinion on everything from NFL policies to NCAA basketball players to Kim Jong Un’s waistline. You might have noticed that President Best Mind has many opinions he shares briskly and loudly on Twitter, generally in the mornings when he’s perched his ample backside on the golden toilet in the executive residence of the White House. Suddenly, nay, miraculously, Trump and his minions have no opinion on what should be done about Roy Moore. It’s an election miracle!


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For far too many on the conservative side of the fence, the defenses of Moore have taken on one of two strained, agonizingly contradictory themes. The first path is “Moore is bad, but Doug Jones will vote with the Democrats.” This is tribal whataboutism at its peak. Doug Jones isn’t going to be the deciding vote on squat in the U.S. Senate; he’s there for two years at most if the good people of Alabama can nominate a Republican candidate who isn’t a kid-fondling reptile.

The second, blisteringly stupid argument is that this is some kind of grand conspiracy theory and the real villain in the story of Moore’s victims is… wait for it… the news media. The argument, as tiresome as it is predictable, in what remains of the ruins of the conservative movement comes down to this: “Well, Roy Moore may be a guy who likes to have teen girls touch his junk in his backwoods love shack, but hey The Washington Post is worse, amirite?”

Then there’s the Bannon-fueled conspiracy-theory faction, which has been out in force for a few weeks, like grotesque locusts. The usual cast of characters has been in evidence, digging for dirt, not on Moore, but on his victims. The Virgin Matt Boyle, a stout little gargoyle usually perched on Steve Bannon’s scrofulous shoulder, was deployed to Alabama briefly, but ended up confirming The Washington Post’s reporting. Infowars and the Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft—rightly called the Stupidest Man on the Internet—have been full throttle in trying to turn Moore’s mess into a Deep State conspiracy.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 11:58 AM

View PostLFC, on 27 November 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist who hates what his party has become, says there's no coming back from backing Moore. He has a lot more to say about the people who now seem to have control of the GOP as well.

More from Rick Wilson: Roy Moore’s GOP Stands for ‘Grand Old Pedobears’
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Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

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On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 10:48 PM

Somebody I know is a true wingnut. He posted this article on how both of the Obamas said something about Trump's unfiltered tweets while in India. Here's what Lou Dobbs thinks should happen.

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During a leadership forum Friday in New Delhi, Obama, who embarked on his own trip to Asia just weeks after Trump returned from his own Asia tour, took aim at Trump’s Twitter habits.

Obama had been asked to respond to comments his wife, former first lady Michelle Obama, made Tuesday during a speech in Toronto. In her remarks, Michelle Obama had said it is not a good idea to “tweet from bed,” a clear reference to Trump’s frequent early-morning tweets.

Her husband seemed to agree.

“Michelle was giving the general idea … don’t say the first thing that pops in your head. Have a little bit of an edit function,” Barack Obama said, according to The Washington Post.

“Think before you speak, think before you tweet,” he added, while noting that he had 100 million followers on the social media platform, which is “more than other people who use it more often.”

Trump has almost 44 million followers on Twitter, while Obama has 97.5 million.

Dobbs, the host of the Fox Business program “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” responded by suggesting that U.S. Marshals follow the former president around, so that when he takes aim at Trump while overseas, they can bring him back to America.

“I think U.S. Marshals should follow him, and any time he wants to go follow the president like he is, and behave — I mean, this is just bad manners. It’s boorish, it’s absurd, he doesn’t realize how foolish he looks,” Dobbs told Forbes Media Chairman Steve Forbes, who was a guest on the show.

“I mean, he should be brought back by the Marshals,” Dobbs added. “Isn’t there some law that says presidents shouldn’t be attacking sitting presidents?”

Forbes replied that “there’s an unwritten one, sort of a Logan Act for ex-presidents,” but clarified that it was not enforceable.

During the segment, Dobbs also blasted Obama for criticizing the populist agenda that “President Trump has brought with him to Washington, D.C.”

“He calls it destructive populism,” Dobbs said. “I guess he prefers destructive elitism. At least the people get a voice now.”

Here's the wingnut outlet that posted it on FB. You have to see the comments to grasp just how deranged a large segment of America really is. All of the stuff written about these people feeling most comfortable under a (well, "their") authoritarian is supported. They actually think Obama should be imprisoned for that lukewarm comment.
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 01:07 AM

View PostLFC, on 02 December 2017 - 10:48 PM, said:

Somebody I know is a true wingnut. He posted this article on how both of the Obamas said something about Trump's unfiltered tweets while in India. Here's what Lou Dobbs thinks should happen.



Here's the wingnut outlet that posted it on FB. You have to see the comments to grasp just how deranged a large segment of America really is. All of the stuff written about these people feeling most comfortable under a (well, "their") authoritarian is supported. They actually think Obama should be imprisoned for that lukewarm comment.
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 01:36 AM

View Postpnwguy, on 03 December 2017 - 01:07 AM, said:

It's stupefying to observe how high a percentage of our citizenry inhabit some parallel universe. But then there was a time when half the country thought it was divinely right to own other human beings as property.

I'd say they still do. This time though, it's teenage females of their own ethnic group.
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:11 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 03 December 2017 - 01:36 AM, said:

I'd say they still do. This time though, it's teenage females of their own ethnic group.

You think that Moore wouldn't happily grope an attractive underage girl of any race?
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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

— Carl Sagan


Pray for Trump: Psalm 109:8

"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 11:11 AM

Ornstein and Mann have penned an NYT op-ed that nicely sums it all up. Nothing new to us here, but a good read.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 06:16 PM

View PostAnBr, on 03 December 2017 - 10:11 AM, said:

You think that Moore wouldn't happily grope an attractive underage girl of any race?

I'm sure he would. But he'd only extract a lifelong commitment to obey his every command (i.e. a marriage contract in its fundie interpretation) if she's white.
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 06:43 PM

Senator Chuck Grassley folks, emphasis on the ASS part.

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I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing, as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 06:52 PM

Yeah, saw grASSly on that. Here's a question, Senator:

How long would it take for a Annapolis graduate at the top of his class, promoted as fast as regulations allow, topping out on flight pay, combat pay, etc. and saving every penny not going to his uniforms, minimal housing, etc. to save up that money assuming that he put it all into USAA's best-rated index fund (because military officers presumably don't have time to actively manage their accounts) to make it to $11 million? Is it possible to stay in uniform that long?

Or are you telling us that military officers are really not worth your consideration?

Alternately, how much money does the average American have to make (assuming they put every penny above the poverty line into investments) to get there by the time they die at the average life expectancy? (Hint: I spent several decades investing more than the median American family makes and am a long way short.)

Yet a third alternative: I believe that Senator Hatch has stated that he's well short of the inheritance tax threshold, too, despite being still at work at an age where most Americans are pushing up daisies. Please ask him what kind of booze, women, and movies he's blown his pay on over all these years and whether it was worth it.
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:02 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 03 December 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

Yeah, saw grASSly on that. Here's a question, Senator:

How long would it take for a Annapolis graduate at the top of his class, promoted as fast as regulations allow, topping out on flight pay, combat pay, etc. and saving every penny not going to his uniforms, minimal housing, etc. to save up that money assuming that he put it all into USAA's best-rated index fund (because military officers presumably don't have time to actively manage their accounts) to make it to $11 million? Is it possible to stay in uniform that long?

Or are you telling us that military officers are really not worth your consideration?

Well, all of the above, plus an additional 15 or so years post-military retirement as a "beltway bandit"...now you're talking!

Whether those incentives really are in the national interest is doubtful (but apparently not to Grassley).

Which swamp were we trying to drain here?
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:34 PM

If you don't know, the estate tax is portable, so if your spouse dies you can claim their unused estate tax exemption amount and add their 5.43 million to your own, and so the estate tax doesn't kick in until nearly 11 million.

So you need to save $40,000 every year for 45 years and earn an average 7% in order not to be one of the people spending every damn penny you have on booze, women, and movies.

Or, you know, you can inherit it, who are the people this is really aimed at.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:47 AM

View Postindy, on 03 December 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

If you don't know, the estate tax is portable, so if your spouse dies you can claim their unused estate tax exemption amount and add their 5.43 million to your own, and so the estate tax doesn't kick in until nearly 11 million.

While portability is certainly more convenient it was not all that necessary for the wealthy. Prior to that they simply set up a credit shelter trust to be funded at first death with the maximum exclusion amount. The trust would contain a sprinkle provision so the survivor could take distributions if needed. At second death the original credit shelter trust paid out to the heirs and the second decedent's will took care of the rest. Again just a bit less convenient but anybody with an even slightly, remotely, sorta', kinda' competent financial planner and/or estate attorney was good to go.
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 12:16 PM

The POG essentially believes in the Divine Right of Kings. And what evidence can you show in the Christian canon that their deity was against human slavery? There were plenty of examples of how to treat slaves and how a righteous slave should act.

Feudalism was awesome for millennia — if you were a ruler or one of his supporting noblemen.

So MAGA is really about "Make America Godly Again"

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 04:56 PM

View PostLFC, on 04 December 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

While portability is certainly more convenient it was not all that necessary for the wealthy. Prior to that they simply set up a credit shelter trust to be funded at first death with the maximum exclusion amount. The trust would contain a sprinkle provision so the survivor could take distributions if needed. At second death the original credit shelter trust paid out to the heirs and the second decedent's will took care of the rest. Again just a bit less convenient but anybody with an even slightly, remotely, sorta', kinda' competent financial planner and/or estate attorney was good to go.

We all know rich people buy insurance to pay the "death tax". If they don't, they're stupid.

I keep telling my friend who is nowhere near any of these figures, if his mom winds up paying "death tax" (which I doubt) then she needs to get a much better accountant and planner.
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:33 PM

View Postandydp, on 04 December 2017 - 04:56 PM, said:

We all know rich people buy insurance to pay the "death tax". If they don't, they're stupid.

The use of life insurance for tax payments is also used by a large number of people who may be land wealthy i.e. the "family farm" case. The insurance is a cost of the business. That's why the Republican talking point about families losing their farms due to estate taxes is so rare. Some do but only the ones who refused to prepare.
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:37 PM

An executive at the Billy Graham Center just preached to Christians that they have to stand for truth or people will view them as standing for nothing. That's pretty much where I am with a large segment of Evangelicals and other brands of fundamentalists. Why would I EVER listen to them about "God's truth" when they themselves freely peddle lies and decry the truth? And how can they support President Pussy-Grabber while claiming the truth about morals?

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Writing at Christianity Today, an executive at the Billy Graham Center rebuked Christians for claiming “fake news” at anything that doesn’t fit their world view when it comes to politics.

According to Ed Stetzer, who holds the Billy Graham Distinguished Chair at Wheaton College, Christians are reflexively dismissing distressing news and have become “gullible targets” for Russian disinformation.

“In a sad twist of irony, even as we have claimed to be the true ‘discerning ones’ of honest media, some Christians have been quick to fall for genuine fake news. I see, over and over, the Twitter feeds of some Christians crying ‘fake news!’ at every story they don’t like,” Stetzer wrote. “And it appears that some — Russians no less — who spread fake news have caught on to the willingness of some of those Christians.”

According to the theologian, news that former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn publicly plead guilty to felony charges filed by special counselRobert Mueller was greeted by cries that it wasn’t true, with Stetzer pointing out, “Mike Flynn just told you this is not fake news.”

“When Christians resort to dismissal of unpleasant truth as ‘fake news,’ we are essentially saying that truth doesn’t matter. We are saying that we prefer the comfort of the lie to a hard truth,” he wrote, before adding, “On so many issues, it is time for some Christians to take their fingers out of their ears and stop yelling, ‘It’s all fake news. It’s not.”

Then the theological lecture began.

“Some seem to believe that the propagation of false information and the discrediting of all other explanations as ‘fake news’ are essential to the survival of our faith or the support of our side. We need to realize that our faith calls us to no party, media outlet, or political leader, but rather to a God of truth,” he explained.

“When we pursue something other than truth—the tall-tales and pernicious falsehoods put forth in these ads, for example—we are rejecting facts in exchange for something fake,” he continued. “Since we serve a God who is both the author and embodiment of truth, the absence of truth from our hearts and minds ultimately leads us away from God’s presence and gives a platform to manipulators and liars. How can others trust us on the truth of Christ’s redemptive work and the authority of Scripture when we peddle falsehoods?”

“Our words carry weight in our circles of influence for either the advancement or mockery of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus recognized this when he warned us to be as shrewd as snakes even as we are harmless as doves (Matt. 10:6). As representatives of Jesus, when we are duped and deceived needlessly, we make it easy for others to ridicule the one who sent us,” he wrote before concluding, “As his ambassadors, we have a responsibility to know that the information we rebroadcast is true so as not to damage the effectiveness of our Christian witness.”

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:36 PM

View PostLFC, on 04 December 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

An executive at the Billy Graham Center just preached to Christians that they have to stand for truth or people will view them as standing for nothing.

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