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Posted 08 December 2019 - 11:30 AM

Remember that Newt Gingrich is supposed to be a Republican intellectual. This kind of whining is just sad and pathetic. And of course what would a Republican defense of Trump be without a heapin' helpin' of hypocrisy.

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Republicans continue to craft new defenses to try and protect Donald Trump from impeachment, and now have come up with maybe the most creative one yet: impeaching Trump in December will ruin Christmas.

It's unclear whether this new attack was sent around by the message masters at the White House. However, two top Trump allies — former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker — both made the attack on Fox News, the GOP's favorite outlet for pushing propaganda.

"It is really a sad day for America. It is, I think, going to hurt people's Christmas experience because this is going to be playing in the background. Instead of Bing Crosby's Christmas album, we're going to have impeachment," Whitaker said on Fox News, according to Bloomberg News' Josh Wingrove.

Gingrich, for his part, said on Fox News Friday morning, "This whole thing is a joke."

"And really, on the eve of Christmas it is really sad to see the dishonesty and the partisanship that the House Democrats are displaying," Gingrich said.

But Gingrich was speaker of the House when former President Bill Clinton was impeached. And Republicans held their vote to approve articles of impeachment on Dec. 19 — quite near the "eve of Christmas," as Gingrich said Friday morning.

In fact, many Republicans like Gingrich — who voted to impeach Clinton — are now vehemently opposed to impeaching Trump.

For example, Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH) voted to impeach Clinton, saying at the time, "What message are we sending to the youth of America if we abdicate our constitutional duty and condone perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power by the President of the United States?"

Now, even though Trump has been accused of some of those very same crimes, Chabot does not support impeachment.

"Never in my years of public service have I seen an American president be subjected to these kinds of hyperbolic claims, misleading accusations and partisan attacks. I need your help, friend. Can you give $50, $100 or $200 to stop impeachment?" Chabot wrote in a fundraising plea in September.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 11:47 AM

For example, Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH) voted to impeach Clinton, saying at the time, "What message are we sending to the youth of America if we abdicate our constitutional duty and condone perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power by the President of the United States?"

Now, even though Trump has been accused of some of those very same crimes, Chabot does not support impeachment.


"Never in my years of public service have I seen an American president be subjected to these kinds of hyperbolic claims, misleading accusations and partisan attacks. I need your help, friend. Can you give $50, $100 or $200 to stop impeachment?" Chabot wrote in a fundraising plea in September.



Must have been asleep/on drugs/blinded by the light during the Obama administration...


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Posted 08 December 2019 - 11:57 AM

View Postandydp, on 08 December 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

"Never in my years of public service have I seen an American president be subjected to these kinds of hyperbolic claims, misleading accusations and partisan attacks. I need your help, friend. Can you give $50, $100 or $200 to stop impeachment?" Chabot wrote in a fundraising plea in September.

Republicans are now selling their pre-determined votes. Way to uphold the Constitution.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 01:47 PM

Another case of "even Chuck Todd...", this time with Ted Cruz.

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During a Sunday appearance on NBC News’ “Meet the Press,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) prompted laughter in the studio after he pushed President Donald Trump’s thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory about Ukrainian election interference.

“Do you believe Ukraine meddled in the American election in 2016?” asked “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd.

“I do, and I think there’s considerable evidence of that,” Cruz replied.

“You do? You do?” Todd asked incredulously, drawing laughs off-screen.

“Yes,” the Republican lawmaker said.

Despite Trump and Cruz’s claims, there is no evidence that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. The U.S. intelligence community unanimously agrees that Russia, not Ukraine, was behind the election meddling.

However, Trump’s GOP allies have pushed the President’s false narrative to justify his attempt to pressure Ukraine into investigating his political enemies, for which Trump now faces impeachment.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 03:16 PM

Pity they don't ask for specifics -- I'm pretty sure that they couldn't name one.
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Posted 08 December 2019 - 06:41 PM

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Must have been asleep/on drugs/blinded by the light during the Obama administration...

It was OK to target the anti-Christ.


As for that color chart, where would the evangelical Jesus come in?

And Michael Jackson.
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Posted 08 December 2019 - 07:44 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 08 December 2019 - 06:41 PM, said:

As for that color chart, where would the evangelical Jesus come in?

They got that one covered.

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 02:17 PM

View PostLFC, on 04 December 2019 - 07:10 PM, said:

Yeah I know it's Dreher but this is a crystal clear example of how people can so glibly look past pure evil when they desperately want to. Tucker Carlson, a man who clearly advocates for both evil things as well as blatant lies, apparently did a piece where he bashed a major Republican donor who is a classic vulture capitalist.

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Good on Tucker! He is calling out something that really has been not only destroying companies or at least creating a drag of massive debt to pay off investors but changes the way the do business so the worker always comes last. It's a great destroyer of the lower end of the middle class. So far so good other than the requisite digs at Singer because he supports LGBT rights (he has a gay son) because, yeah, like that's important in this discussion.

I should have known better. It's all about the Benjamins and punishing those who don't fall in line. Grifters gotta' grift.

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In mid-2011, Tucker Carlson’s digital media outlet The Daily Caller was looking for money, and it turned to one of the biggest conservative donors in the country. The conservative news site hit up aides to New York hedge-fund manager Paul Singer with a pitch for its new nonprofit arm, The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Singer’s team rebuffed the request. But emails obtained by The Daily Beast show that Daily Caller staff, including its co-founder and publisher Neil Patel, circled back with Singer’s family office on numerous other occasions over the subsequent four years asking for meetings and courting Singer’s financial support.


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Carlson’s segments on Singer focused in particular on Elliott’s minority stake in the sporting-goods retailer Cabela’s. Carlson alleged that Singer’s fund forced the company’s sale, costing thousands of jobs in the town of Sidney, Nebraska. Both Elliott and the mayor of Sidney disputed Carlson’s reporting, which portrayed Singer as almost single-handedly responsible for the town’s destruction.

“Why is it still allowed in this country? Because people like Paul Singer have tremendous influence over our political process,” Carlson said in one segment. “Singer himself was the second biggest donor to the Republican Party in 2016. He’s given millions to a super PAC that supports Republican senators. You may never have heard of Paul Singer. But in Washington, he’s rock-star famous.”

For Singer, the denunciation must have seemed particularly disorienting. As emails obtained by The Daily Beast show, it had been less than five years since Carlson’s news outlet last came to him looking for cash. Asked for a comment on the emails, a Singer adviser essentially accused Carlson of coming after the billionaire hedge-funder in retaliation for declining the fundraising appeals.

“There was no principle at stake here,” the adviser said. “This is how a protection racket operates—you pay Tucker or you become a target. And he now has a much bigger platform to pursue his vendettas.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 02:20 PM

Another Republican. I really don't know what else to say.

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A perennial Republican House candidate whose doomed bids against Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) have become a cause celebre on the right was arrested Saturday on three felony charges.

Businessman Omar Navarro has leveraged his frequent campaigns against Waters to become a prominent voice on the far-right, earning more than $1 million in campaign contributions and the backing of Trumpworld figures like controversial former sheriff Joe Arpaio, former Trump adviser Roger Stone, and Ret. Gen. Michael Flynn.

Despite that support, Navarro lost both his 2016 and 2018 runs against Waters by more than 50 percentage points each. Faced with unanimous voter rejection, Navarro has chosen to run again in 2020. But now, he faces significant legal troubles related to alleged stalking of his ex-girlfriend.

San Francisco police arrested Navarro on Saturday night, after he was allegedly seen near ex-girlfriend DeAnna Lorraine Tesoriero’s apartment.

Tesoriero, a self-styled MAGA relationship expert who is running a quixotic congressional run of her own against Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), told The Daily Beast that she saw Navarro skulking outside her home late at night. Tesoriero said she then received a text from an unknown number with the message, “Bitch, I came to see you.”

“Clearly, he has a lot of screws loose,” Tesoriero told The Daily Beast. “I think a lot of this power has gotten into his head. He has a lot of money now from campaign donations.”

Tesoriero called the police, who arrested Navarro on three felony charges: felony stalking, criminal threats, and attempted extortion. Navarro is also facing a misdemeanor charge for allegedly violating a five-year restraining order Tesoriero received against him earlier this year after months of harassing text messages from Navarro.

In an interview, Tesoriero claimed that Navarro offered her money to marry him, threatened to leak her relatives’ addresses to left-wing antifascist “antifa” activists, and even threatened her pets.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:02 PM

Do Democrats Realize They Are at Political War? Republicans Do. Below are some quotes but the piece has loads of examples of shameless, intentional, now 100% to be expected at all times Republican lying. As I said elsewhere it's all they have left and no matter what the election results are in 2020 it's not going to get better.

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Even mediocre politicians are clever enough, at some primal level, to learn from what other politicians do. They can see what others got away with and what they couldn't. They may not be smart enough to see the openings themselves, but once others have shown them the loopholes and the pressure points, they learn to exploit them. All the while, the public develops a stomach for these maneuvers. It's happening now.

Every once in a while, we get another sign that even if Donald Trump's assault on the American republic is foiled—which hardly looks more likely after the events of this morning—he will not be the last authoritarian the Republican Party produces. His allies are all adopting his rhetoric of Us and Them and and Deep State conspiracies, and the notion there is some volk—Real America, made up of Real Americans—that is under assault by the globalist elites of the coasts. They have watched his destruction of the separation of powers and the rule of law with undoubted interest, and noted his success.

Earlier in the morning, Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats announced articles of impeachment into Donald Trump and their support for his new trade agreement.

But most of all, they've realized that they, too, can say anything they want, over and over, until it becomes true. When there's an entire media ecosystem built to back up your claims—one organ of which, just today, started peddling the accusation that Bernie Sanders, a Jewish man, has problems with anti-Semitism—the truth is whatever you can get enough people to believe.

The latest example of this came from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, the archetypal mediocre politician, and Minority Whip Steve Scalise. They held a press conference following the Democrats' announcement they were filing articles of impeachment against Donald Trump, American president. The House Republican leadership demonstrated therein that there's plenty they've learned from Trump over the last few years.


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The Republican playacting about FISA courts—which are a real systemic issue around civil liberties they never gave a damn about before 10 minutes ago—is truly something to behold. Absolutely shameless. Meanwhile, the IG report found the Justice Department followed the FISA procedures, flawed as they may be. We can all safely expect Republicans to introduce legislation that will remedy these FISA abuses. It's never just bad-faith rhetoric.

Then McCarthy, who once happily admitted on national television that Republicans engaged in the Benghazi farce to bring down Hillary Clinton's poll numbers, went on a rant about the sacred role of Congress, and The American Idea, and how if we impeach our lawless president, we're letting down the protesters in Hong Kong.


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And here is where the rubber really meets the road in terms of where this country is headed. The Republican leadership in the House of Representatives just thoroughly demonstrated not just that they will they say or do anything, without shame, in full knowledge that there will be zero consequences because of the polarized media and political environment we now inhabit. They also showed they have no reason to grant that the Democrats did anything good, at all, ever.


And in summation...

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All this is to say, this morning also calls into question whether the Democrats, for all their recent talk of defending the American republic, have really come to grips with what they're up against. The Attorney General of the United States, a theocrat who subscribes to an insane view of presidential power when a Republican is president, just publicly backed the idea the Obama administration was "spying," just like McCarthy did. An authoritarian movement does not see political speech as a tool to persuade a majority of the public that its course of action is the best, and rooted in observable reality. Rhetoric is a cudgel to be wielded against the Enemies, and Democrats are among the Enemies. They are at political war, it's just not clear that Democrats really know it. Even Kevin McCarthy has figured that one out.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 03:33 PM

View PostLFC, on 06 December 2019 - 05:03 PM, said:

Oh, Nikki. You're going to become a bigger whore than Lindsey, and that's a big-assed whore indeed.

Employees at Goldman Sachs are none too happy with Haley appearing at their company after her deep tongued embrace of white supremacy.

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Nikki Haley is getting some pushback from some Goldman Sachs employees in the wake of comments she made that some interpreted to be a defense of the Confederate flag, Bloomberg reports.

The employees spoke up regarding the former UN ambassador’s scheduled appearance at the firm’s New York offices, and have asked Goldman President John Waldron to cancel the appearance.

Haley came under fire after she gave an interview to conservative radio personality Glenn Beck, where she said the Confederate flag represented “service, sacrifice, and heritage” for some people in her state of South Carolina, adding that the flag was “hijacked” by Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof.

Goldman Sachs has responded by assuring the protesting employees that questions directed to Haley during her appearance will address “difficult topics.”

“We are committed to using the Talks at GS platform to directly explore the views of our guests, particularly on difficult topics,” the company wrote in an email to employees who raised the issue. “John Waldron will ask Ambassador Haley to address her recent comments on the Confederate flag and will share the sentiments of you and others in our community.“


The topics are only difficult when you're forced to defend symbols of racism. For decent people things are pretty clear.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 03:39 PM

Next, she'll refer to "the War of Northern Aggression" as do the brochures at the battery in Charleston. And they intend no irony.

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 04:27 PM

Is Trump planning to make her an Honorary White Person, like they used to have in South Africa?
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Posted 11 December 2019 - 04:30 PM

View PostLFC, on 10 December 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

Another Republican. I really don't know what else to say.

No doubt there are many in the R base who think that the reason that America needs to be made great again is that men trying to drag women back to the cave is frowned on in at least some circles.
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Posted 13 December 2019 - 02:38 PM

Former Kentucky governor Matt Bevin really was solidly Republican mainstream as evidenced by his apparent sale of pardons.

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Former Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin ® has been prolific with his pardons since he lost his reelection to Democrat Andy Beshear in November, issuing so many before his final day in office that the Kentucky Secretary of State’s office has struggled to keep up.

Of those 428 pardons and commutations, Bevin issued some of them to people convicted of extremely violent crimes.

One of them, Patrick Baker, has attracted particular attention.

Baker was convicted in Knox County Circuit Court in 2017 of murder, robbery, impersonating a peace officer and tampering with physical evidence, per the pardon order. His crimes are connected to a fatal home invasion in 2014, though court records indicate that his murder charge was amended to reckless homicide. He had only served two years of his 19-year sentence.

In the pardon, Bevin calls the evidence that convicted Baker “sketchy at best” and blamed Baker’s “unwise decisions” on his “drug addiction” and the people it brought into his orbit.

But there may be an additional reason Bevin selected Baker for clemency.

As the Louisville Courier-Journal first reported, Baker’s family members raised $21,500 at a 2018 fundraiser to help alleviate debt incurred during Bevin’s 2015 gubernatorial campaign. Other family members also made direct personal donations during and after the event. A photo of Bevin attending the fundraiser was published in the local newspaper.

Some of the other people Bevin pardoned were convicted of extremely gruesome crimes, more controversial than most outgoing officials like to touch.

I suspect that if you do some digging in those gruesome cases there is a bribe being handed over to Bevin.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 03:21 PM

An interesting take on the fork now before the Republican Party. First there's a little hopeful history.

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The right, and the country, can come back from this. Our history is rife with influential groups that, after discarding their commitment to democratic principles in an attempt to retain their grasp on power, lost their fight and then discovered they could thrive in the political order they had so feared. The Federalists passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, criminalizing criticism of their administration; Redemption-era Democrats stripped black voters of the franchise; and Progressive Republicans wrested municipal governance away from immigrant voters. Each rejected popular democracy out of fear that it would lose at the polls, and terror at what might then result. And in each case democracy eventually prevailed, without tragic effect on the losers. The American system works more often than it doesn’t.

Here's the fork in the road.

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Whether the American political system today can endure without fracturing further, Daniel Ziblatt’s research suggests, may depend on the choices the center-right now makes. If the center-right decides to accept some electoral defeats and then seeks to gain adherents via argumentation and attraction—and, crucially, eschews making racial heritage its organizing principle—then the GOP can remain vibrant. Its fissures will heal and its prospects will improve, as did those of the Democratic Party in the 1920s, after Wilson. Democracy will be maintained. But if the center-right, surveying demographic upheaval and finding the prospect of electoral losses intolerable, casts its lot with Trumpism and a far right rooted in ethno-nationalism, then it is doomed to an ever smaller proportion of voters, and risks revisiting the ugliest chapters of our history.

The Republican Party faced a choice between these two competing visions in the last presidential election. The post-2012 report defined the GOP ideologically, urging its leaders to reach out to new groups, emphasize the values they had in common, and rebuild the party into an organization capable of winning a majority of the votes in a presidential race. Anton’s essay, by contrast, defined the party as the defender of “a people, a civilization” threatened by America’s growing diversity.

When Trump’s presidency comes to its end, the Republican Party will confront the same choice it faced before his rise, only even more urgently. In 2013, the party’s leaders saw the path that lay before them clearly, and urged Republicans to reach out to voters of diverse backgrounds whose own values matched the “ideals, philosophy and principles” of the GOP. Trumpism deprioritizes conservative ideas and principles in favor of ethno-nationalism.


The members of the actual Republican party apparatus have clearly taken the nihilistic view of burning anything down that does not provide them power. The author says what happens next depends upon the center-right. Personally I doubt that there's that big of a group that could be deemed center-right that haven't already either picked a side or pulled out of politics. I don't see a anything that would cause a return to democracy in today's right-wing electorate. The only cure now is demographic change.

When the "ethno nationalists" are backed into a minority corner the rest of the nation must be prepared for the whining victimhood that so quickly arises from a historically powerful and oppressive group when their power to oppress is taken away. Think Rod Dreher who just a few years ago was whining how those of us who won on marriage equality had to be extra nice to the gay bashers. Today? He's justifying a future vote for Trump so he and his can get back to legalized gay bashing. Well f*** you, Rod, and f*** every person intent on denying the same rights they have from those "others."
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 11:59 AM

Here's a note from Josh Marshall on Republicans.

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The extremely open (indeed bragging about it) joint impeachment trial planning between the President and Senate Republicans is a good opportunity to restate a point I’ve made several times recently in a slightly different context. The Senate trial is nominally a trial of Donald J. Trump. But in fact, his guilt is obvious, proven by an overwhelming body of evidence. Senate Republicans themselves know this. But this is the point. It’s not really Trump who is on trial. It’s Senate Republicans. The question is whether there is any level of criminal conduct from President Trump they won’t accept. We already know the answer to that. There’s none. Democrats’ trial strategy should be to make this point over and over and over again. It’s as simple as that.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 01:33 PM

So will the Dems have the ability to call witnesses, or this going to be a total kangaroo court?
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Posted 16 December 2019 - 01:44 PM

Dems call witnesses? Don't know yet.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 01:48 PM

View PostTraveler, on 16 December 2019 - 01:33 PM, said:

So will the Dems have the ability to call witnesses, or this going to be a total kangaroo court?

As compared to the House? I'm going with serious kangaroo action.

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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