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Posted 08 March 2018 - 09:29 AM

 LFC, on 07 March 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

Trump just felt the return slap in the trade war from the EU. These tariffs would hurt the people in the places where his base is strongest. Does he fold or does he go full Trumper Tantrum?

A better question, to me at least, is why we aren't hearing more attacks coming from the Democrats over this.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 10:25 AM

 HockeyDon, on 08 March 2018 - 09:29 AM, said:

A better question, to me at least, is why we aren't hearing more attacks coming from the Democrats over this.
Didn't a bunch of Dem senators say they would vote with the Senate POG if the House POG passed a bill challenging the tariffs?
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 10:31 AM

Trump blinked.

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President Donald Trump on Thursday said the United States’ “real friends” who are “fair” on trade, as well as the military, will likely be given an exemption from Trump’s new tariffs on aluminum and steel imports.

“We have to protect and build our steel and aluminum industries while at the same time showing great flexibility and cooperation toward those that are real friends and treat us fairly on both trade and military,” Trump tweeted Thursday morning.

Trump announced last week that he plans to order new tariffs of 25 percent on imported steel and 10 percent on aluminum. He initially claimed the White House would not “back down” on the new measures, even for Mexico, Canada and members of the European Union. Trump later walked that back, saying if the U.S. is able to negotiate a better deal on the North American Free Trade Agreement, there might be room for exemptions for certain countries.

Thursday’s tweet echoes the White House’s sentiment this week — that there might be “carve outs” for countries like Mexico, Canada and some in Europe, for national security purposes.

"Some in Europe?" He doesn't even understand the concept of the European Union and its role in international trade.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:23 PM

It’s a “union”, so as a ‘businessman’ he thinks they are bad. His neo-Confederate friends aren’t big on “Union” either.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:18 PM

An interesting perspective on the plight of the US Steel Industry

The mill that was the main employer in my hometown made the move to electric arc back in the 70's. Between that advantage, and the fact that they made specialty plate steel, instead of the more commodity roll steel used by auto and appliance makers, they stayed economically viable for decades after Big Steel started to tank.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:41 PM

Essentially all of the US steel mills are now smaller specialty mills. High margins, relatively low cost, and they provide products that foreign (esp. Chinese) mills aren't set up to compete on.

Would it surprise anyone that the military are big customers?
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 06:10 PM

The more I see Trump talk about this, the more I think it was a misguided attempt at...I guess extortion is the word...to try to use these tariffs as some kind of leverage in other negotiations. 'We're going to spare Mexico and Canada...until we'll see how the NAFTA renegotiation turns out...'.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 06:30 PM

"Extortion", yeah, well there is that but mostly I think it's an effort to keep angry blue collars in his base.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:28 PM

 JackD, on 08 March 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

"Extortion", yeah, well there is that but mostly I think it's an effort to keep angry blue collars in his base.

They're not going anywhere.

As for me, I think he just had a bad week and needed to do something destructive to make himself feel better.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:53 PM

 D. C. Sessions, on 08 March 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

Would it surprise anyone that the military are big customers?
Yeah that was the case with this mill. You had the Philadelphia Navy Yard nearby. Plate steel is the building blocks of ships and heavy armored things like tanks. They were busy in WW2. But they were also a supplier to the World Trade Towers, since the original buildings took a f*ck ton of steel.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 08:01 PM

According to the military, they use 3% of domestic production.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:47 AM

 pnwguy, on 08 March 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

Yeah that was the case with this mill. You had the Philadelphia Navy Yard nearby. Plate steel is the building blocks of ships and heavy armored things like tanks. They were busy in WW2. But they were also a supplier to the World Trade Towers, since the original buildings took a f*ck ton of steel.
You are talking about Lukens. Dude, you grew up near Coatesville? I live about 20 miles from there. Next time I am in Seattle, I will try to look you up.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 11:26 AM

 Traveler, on 09 March 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

You are talking about Lukens. Dude, you grew up near Coatesville? I live about 20 miles from there. Next time I am in Seattle, I will try to look you up.
Yup. I grew up a few miles north of town but we fed into the high school there. Actually my grandfather was mayor back in the late 40s/50s. But that was a very different city. It's a very decayed and hollowed out place now, while Downingtown, Exton, and West Chester are healthy communities.

I'm actually in Portland, 3 hours south of Seattle. But I seldom need an excuse to make a road trip for a beer.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 12:24 PM

Cool. Funny how you and LFC are/were located within a half hour drive. FOr as few of us here, pretty coincidental. Of course there are the Austinites as well.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 12:55 PM

 Traveler, on 09 March 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

Cool. Funny how you and LFC are/were located within a half hour drive. For as few of us here, pretty coincidental. Of course there are the Austinites as well.

Funny conikidinks department: I did a couple of races in Coatesville PA: The Brandywine Valley Duathlon was HQ in the county park in Coatesville. AND... Our neighbor's kid is a Policeman in Coatesville.

I've met Charles (our esteemed leader) in Bennington VT. I was there for a cruise in at Hemming's Motor News. Charles isn't a car nut but it was nice to meet up. I have chatted with PG when I was in Austin and Beezelbuddy recommended a couple of watering holes.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 03:48 PM

For what it's worth, I'm planning to be back in the Philly area the 2nd week of May, and I'll be staying with my sister in West Chester. We could organize a beer night some evening after work.

I used to get to Austin a few times a year, and I'd always have a lunch or dinner at Stubb's. It's still my favorite BBQ. Plus their side dishes are wonderful. That's always been my favorite Austin watering hole.

Texas style barbecue is less tomato, more dry rubs and molasses. I prefer it over Kansas City or Memphis varieties.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 04:53 PM

 pnwguy, on 09 March 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

For what it's worth, I'm planning to be back in the Philly area the 2nd week of May, and I'll be staying with my sister in West Chester. We could organize a beer night some evening after work.

West Chester is only about an hour for me as long as I'm not trying to get there during rush hour.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 05:54 PM

 LFC, on 09 March 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

West Chester is only about an hour for me as long as I'm not trying to get there during rush hour.
We'll have to see where Traveler is. Maybe someplace like King of Prussia is a good mid-point area for all to rendezvous.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:47 AM

 pnwguy, on 09 March 2018 - 05:54 PM, said:

We'll have to see where Traveler is. Maybe someplace like King of Prussia is a good mid-point area for all to rendezvous.

Phoenixville might work too. Lots of bars and restaurants to choose from there.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:50 PM

I am right outside West Chester. Pville is pretty central to LFC and me. We generally get together there at the local brewpub. There are good ones in WC and Downingtown as well. Plenty of opportunities. Let's PM as May approaches.
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