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Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:19 AM

 Traveler, on 20 May 2017 - 08:51 AM, said:

Precisely what many of us have been saying one way or another. Keep the pot bubbling until the midterms, win the House, and then block impeachment. And run investigations into Issa, Chavetz, Nunes, Pence etc. etc, instead...
Alternatively, cast Pence in the role of Spiro T. Agnew. It's a crapshoot that an appointee[1] would be any better, admittedly, but he'd be out of the line of succession, at any rate.

[1]Now playing the role of Gerald R. Ford,...?
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:33 AM

 Traveler, on 20 May 2017 - 08:51 AM, said:

Precisely what many of us have been saying one way or another. Keep the pot bubbling until the midterms, win the House, and then block impeachment. And run investigations into Issa, Chavetz, Nunes, Pence etc. etc, instead...

If they want to be rid of him, they can use A25? Once the House is in Democratic hands, that makes sense. Better yet if Pence is tarred badly enough that his resignation is the price of removing Trump.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:47 AM

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:55 AM

It would be nice to win the House, but what is the actual chance of that happening? I did not think Trump could/would win the presidency, yet he did.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:59 AM

 D. C. Sessions, on 20 May 2017 - 09:33 AM, said:



If they want to be rid of him, they can use A25? Once the House is in Democratic hands, that makes sense. Better yet if Pence is tarred badly enough that his resignation is the price of removing Trump.

The 25th is harder, you need 2/3rds of both houses. Impeachment only takes a majority in house.

Realistically I doubt either happens. The GOP would need to think t-Rump staying hurts them more than removing him. The process of removal would air as much or more dirty laundry (with t-Rump maybe throwing dirt at them in revenge). If I were me > party > country guy (as they all seem to be) I'd take my chances on keeping him.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:59 AM

 Rue Bella, on 20 May 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

It would be nice to win the House, but what is the actual chance of that happening? I did not think Trump could/would win the presidency, yet he did.

The House is at least possible. Without it, though, removing Trump is pretty much out.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 10:09 AM

The Senate is more important. Regardless of what happens with Trump or his replacement the Court still needs to be safeguarded from even further drift to the right.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 10:29 AM

 AnBr, on 20 May 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

The Senate is more important. Regardless of what happens with Trump or his replacement the Court still needs to be safeguarded from even further drift to the right.

Granted. However, the Senate is much less likely to flip next year than the House is. Ideally, the House would flip next year while the continuing shitshow in the Administration keeps much of anything from getting done, then 2020 lots of salmonella-infected chickens come home to roost.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 12:51 PM

House can investigate (keeping the drip going). Just have to hope Kennedy and the those to his left stay healthy on the court. And that Manhatten Mugabe stays lazy with regard to lower level appointments.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 01:09 PM

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And that Manhatten Mugabe stays lazy with regard to lower level appointments.

When Trump was making his VP choice, it was reported that he told Pence if he took the job, that he (Pence) would be an extremely powerful VP. The implication was that Pence would shoulder more work, and that would allow Trump to just do the fluffy, 'fun' part of the job.

After some of this Russia stuff dies down, and if it becomes obvious that Trump is going to remain Prez, maybe Pence will buckle down and start doing some of the work of making appointments of his choice, and having Trump just sign stuff. Not good.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 01:30 PM

 Rue Bella, on 20 May 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

After some of this Russia stuff dies down, and if it becomes obvious that Trump is going to remain Prez, maybe Pence will buckle down and start doing some of the work of making appointments of his choice, and having Trump just sign stuff. Not good.

At which point Pence discovers what Spicer's life is like.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 01:57 PM

 D. C. Sessions, on 20 May 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:



At which point Pence discovers what Spicer's life is like.

I think he has some idea - he's been undercut, contradicted and (supposedly) lied to since before Flynn was fired. Seems like ancient history, but only a couple of months!

If the gusher of scandal and incompetence seems long to, what does it feel like to the staff?

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:08 PM

 D. C. Sessions, on 20 May 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

At which point Pence discovers what Spicer's life is like.

But he'll be doing God's work, so he won't mind. It will just put him closer to heaven's 50 yard line.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 03:24 PM

So my memory of 1974 is a bit hazy. Did Ford require any sort of confirmation?
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 05:01 PM

 baw1064, on 20 May 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

So my memory of 1974 is a bit hazy. Did Ford require any sort of confirmation?

After Agnew resigned in the wake of some bribery scandal when he was Gov of Maryland, Pres Nixon nominated Gerald Ford to be VP. There was a Senate hearing (It may have also included House not sure) and Gerald Ford became VP after the Senate vote.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 05:34 PM

So an appointment to a vacancy of the vice-presidency does require a Senate "confirmation"? That was my question.

So Trump couldn't just make e.g. Louis Gohmert or Joe Walsh (the non-musician) Vice President to make himself look good by comparison?
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 06:36 PM

 baw1064, on 20 May 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

So an appointment to a vacancy of the vice-presidency does require a Senate "confirmation"? That was my question.

Amendment 25: a majority of both Houses is required to confirm a replacement.

So, for instance, if Pence is removed from office in January of 2019 and the House has been captured by Democrats, they can hold up the replacement of the VP by Trump's pick while he's staring at impeachment (on the same grounds, only much stronger, than McConnell used to hold up a SCOTUS seat for more than a year.) At which point the Republicans in the Senate have a whole lot of very unpleasant choices. And who knows? President Trump might die, McConnell might die, Trump might resign, or the horse might learn to sing.
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Posted 20 May 2017 - 06:45 PM

 D. C. Sessions, on 20 May 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

Amendment 25: a majority of both Houses is required to confirm a replacement.

So, for instance, if Pence is removed from office in January of 2019 and the House has been captured by Democrats, they can hold up the replacement of the VP by Trump's pick while he's staring at impeachment (on the same grounds, only much stronger, than McConnell used to hold up a SCOTUS seat for more than a year.) At which point the Republicans in the Senate have a whole lot of very unpleasant choices. And who knows? President Trump might die, McConnell might die, Trump might resign, or the horse might learn to sing.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:24 PM

 andydp, on 20 May 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:



After Agnew resigned in the wake of some bribery scandal when he was Gov of Maryland, Pres Nixon nominated Gerald Ford to be VP. There was a Senate hearing (It may have also included House not sure) and Gerald Ford became VP after the Senate vote.

Trivia fact: Pres Ford is the only person to become Vice President and eventually President without being elected to either office
Yeah, Maryland had bad luck with crooks in the governor's mansion in the '60s &'70s.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:26 PM

 D. C. Sessions, on 20 May 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:



Amendment 25: a majority of both Houses is required to confirm a replacement.

So, for instance, if Pence is removed from office in January of 2019 and the House has been captured by Democrats, they can hold up the replacement of the VP by Trump's pick while he's staring at impeachment (on the same grounds, only much stronger, than McConnell used to hold up a SCOTUS seat for more than a year.) At which point the Republicans in the Senate have a whole lot of very unpleasant choices...
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