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Posted 14 June 2019 - 01:22 PM

Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) just blocked a Senate bill that would force candidates to report foreign offers of campaign aid which, by law, are illegal. Why would she do that? Because much like Trump there are a lot of Republicans who have used and depended upon Russian support.

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At least a dozen Republican congressional campaigns used materials stolen from Democrats by Russian hackers during the 2016 election. Several other Republican campaigns received millions in contributions from an oligarch with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. In 2018, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee called on the National Republican Congressional Committee to make a bipartisan pledge not to utilize stolen or hacked information in House elections. After months of negotiations, in September of 2018, House Republicans backed out and refused to sign the pledge. These are just some of the often-overlooked reasons why Republicans have been so reluctant to criticize President Trump’s willingness to accept “dirt” on an opposing candidate from a foreign government.

One day after Trump told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that he wouldn’t necessarily go to the FBI in the event his re-election campaign is contacted by foreign groups, Senate Republicans killed legislation to safeguard American democracy from foreign interference.

Democratic Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., failed in his attempt to unanimously pass a bill that would require candidates to report election assistance offered by foreign governments to federal officials. Under Warner’s Foreign Influence Reporting in Elections (FIRE) Act, campaigns would have to report contacts with foreign nationals who are trying to make campaign donations or coordinate with the campaign to the Federal Election Commission, which would then notify the FBI. It’s already illegal for electoral campaigns to knowingly accept help from a foreign entity or power.

“This legislation is pretty simple, even for this body. It would require that any presidential campaign that receives offers of assistance from an agent of a foreign government has an obligation to report that offer of assistance to law enforcement, specifically the FBI,” Warner said on Thursday. “We ought to make clear that if any foreign power tries to intervene again in an election, the least we can do is ask for a requirement to report it to law enforcement.”

Warner’s request for unanimous consent to pass a bill that would make it illegal not to report an offer of foreign help was blocked by Sen. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, a Republican elected last year. (She replaced Trump critic Bob Corker, who retired rather than run again.)

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:22 PM

View PostLFC, on 14 June 2019 - 01:22 PM, said:

Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) just blocked a Senate bill that would force candidates to report foreign offers of campaign aid which, by law, are illegal. Why would she do that? Because much like Trump there are a lot of Republicans who have used and depended upon Russian support.

Every day we get a new and lower answer to the question "How low can Republican Senators go?"

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:37 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 14 June 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

Every day we get a new and lower answer to the question "How low can Republican Senators go?"

And there seems to be no reason for them to stop now. Well, Berniebots wanted to burn it all down. Guess we're finding out what that really means.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 03:58 PM

Bill Kristol has created a Republican group that actually advocates for the importance of our elections.

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A Republican group has created a TV ad that urges House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the rest of Congress to act against President Donald Trump.

Former Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol tweeted the footage on Thursday from Republicans for the Rule of Law, an organization in which he is a director:

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This ad from Republicans for the Rule of Law airs tomorrow. Our elected officials all take an oath to defend the Constitution. It may be hopeless to ask the president to honor his. But Congress? pic.twitter.com/JfU5a8cv1W
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The Republicans for the Rule of Law spot doesn’t call for a specific action other than to “protect our elections.” However, in a statement earlier this week, the organization said the government must protect its citizens from foreign threats.

“If the president shirks his responsibility with one eye on his personal gain, Congress needs to use its full powers ― investigative and legislative ― to protect the country,” the organization said.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:55 PM

View PostRue Bella, on 14 June 2019 - 02:37 PM, said:

And there seems to be no reason for them to stop now. Well, Berniebots wanted to burn it all down. Guess we're finding out what that really means.

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 10:51 AM

Trump finds widespread, pervasive Russian interference in our elections funny. So does his handler Vlad.

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President Donald Trump has made it clear that he thinks the entire Russia investigation is a “hoax.”

But during a sit-down with Russia President Vladimir Putin, he made a joke out of special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 election.

When a reporter asked Trump if he would tell Putin not to “meddle in the 2020 election,” Trump smiled and turned to the Russian president.

“Don’t meddle in the election, Mr. President. Don’t meddle in the election,” he said pointing his finger at Putin to mimic a scolding as Putin smiled.


Getting rid of actual journalists (with "getting rid of" apparently encompassing all options including the final solution) is apparently worth a chuckle too.

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Donald Trump joked with Russian President Vladimir Putin that they should “get rid” of journalists as they met in public at the G-20 conference of world leaders in Osaka, Japan. Indicating toward the journalists in the room, Trump said, “Get rid of them. Fake news is a great term, isn’t it? You don’t have this problem in Russia but we do.” Putin responded, in English: “We also have. It’s the same.” It has been reported that 21 journalists have been killed in Russia since Putin came to power in March 2000. Trump’s remarks come a year to the day that a gunman killed five people at the Annapolis Capital-Gazette in Maryland.


We now have the single largest traitor to America and our form of democracy to ever sit in the White House. And he has an entire political party backing this destruction of democracy to the hilt. It's so easy to look at other democracies that fell into dictatorships and see how it happens.
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Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:25 PM

Thank you for speaking the truth, Mr. Carter.

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Former President Jimmy Carter said Friday that “if fully investigated,” evidence would show that President Donald Trump actually lost the election and is only in office because of Russian interference.

“The interference, though not yet quantified, if fully investigated, it would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016,” Carter said. “He lost the election and he was put in office because the Russians interfered on his behalf.”

He was speaking at a discussion on human rights with former Vice President Walter Mondale hosted by his own Carter Center.

One of the moderators pressed Carter on if his comments mean he thinks Trump is an illegitimate president.

“Based on what I just said which I can’t retract…” Carter said to laughter and applause. “I’d say yes.”

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 12:39 PM

I think there is a LOT more to be dug up on Russian targeting with social media. Surprised we haven't seen any in depth articles yet. Guess everyone thought Mueller would dig everything up. Of course, the Stone Grand Jury is still in session, no?
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Posted 03 July 2019 - 01:24 PM

The "LOOK! SQUIRREL!" style of desperation is strong with this one.

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President Trump will hold a campaign rally in Greenville, North Carolina later this month.

Coincidentally, on the same day that special counsel Robert Mueller is set to testify publicly before the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees.

According to the Trump campaign’s website, the event will be held at 7 p.m. at the Williams Arena on the campus of East Carolina University. As the Charlotte Observer noted, the venue has a capacity of 8,000 people.

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 11:39 AM

Michael Flynn might be deciding he can get a better deal from Trump. I know part of his current deal was that prosecutors would back off on his son. I wonder if the Trump deal would somehow try to preemptively pardon him for things he hasn't been officially accused of yet.

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The tension between Michael Flynn and federal prosecutors showed no signs of easing on Thursday, as new counsel for Flynn claimed they uncovered potentially serious problems while reviewing the documents in the case.

Flynn’s lawyers made the claims in a filing to the federal judge overseeing Flynn’s sentencing. The attorneys told the judge that recently unsealed documents about Flynn’s cooperation in the trial of his former business associate should not impact Flynn’s sentencing.

Flynn’s attorneys did not specify what problems they had discovered in his D.C. plea agreement, but did pin the issue in part on the “more than a hundred hours” the Mueller witness had spent cooperating.

“We are not yet near a position to brief the Court on the significant issues we are uncovering, because we have spent virtually all of our time and effort cooperating,” the filing reads.

Flynn revamped his legal team in June, hiring a new lead attorney in a move that appeared to signal a more aggressive posture towards the Justice Department.

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 02:40 PM

Bill "Scumbag" Barr is still full speed ahead on investigating the investigators but to a fair extent Mike Pompeo already did that and cleared them.

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Attorney General Bill Barr has bear-hugged President Trump’s “investigate the investigators” response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe by opening an investigation into the origins of the probe.

But Secretary of State Mike Pompeo already cleared at least part of the intelligence community when he was head of the CIA, Politico reported Friday.

According to people familiar with the matter who spoke to Politico, Pompeo conducted rigorous, often aggressive interviews with CIA analysts about their Russia findings. The then-CIA director reportedly found no evidence that malpractice had occurred as President Trump has alleged.

“This wasn’t just a briefing,” a person familiar with the interviews told Politico. “This was a challenging back and forth, in which Pompeo asked the officers tough questions about their work and how they determined Putin’s specific objectives.”

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 04:55 PM

View PostLFC, on 12 July 2019 - 02:40 PM, said:

Bill "Scumbag" Barr Franz Gürtner is still full speed ahead on investigating the investigators but to a fair extent Mike Pompeo Joachim von Ribbentrop already did that and cleared them.
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Posted 12 July 2019 - 09:42 PM

Mueller said Russian Government trolls influenced the election. A US judge has just ruled there is no legal connection between the 'Russian troll factory' and the Kremlin, so legally no Russian Government trolling. Mueller knew that too. - no established connection.

Against a background of consistent US interference in Russian/Ukrainian elections even at ambassador level, the small amount actually spent, the fact that Centcom has for years been running 'operation earnest voice' psyops and the UK assists with 1500 more operators in Battalion (Brigade) 77 all makes me think this whole thing is a nothing burger, blown out of all proportion. To put it another way we probably have tens of thousands of soldiers sitting at computers all day giving out misinformation against 'adversaries', but of course we are the good guys so it is alright. In addition to that Mueller did not prove any Russian state collusion either.

This approach to bring Trump down is getting diminishing returns and I cannot see what the Dems expect to gain. They are polarizing the US more and more and that is what put Trump where he is to start with. On top of that the reality is there will never be an impeachment because the GOP will not allow it, no matter how much they rubbish Trump for personal gain and credibility. When it comes to crunch time they will never allow a DEM impeachment to succeed.

Reasonable Americans, in my very British (and discountable) opinion, have lost sight of the ball. What am I saying? We are going to elect bojo Boris Johnson as the new PM. I take it all back. It looks like dark times for the Atlantic alliance.
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Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:39 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 12 July 2019 - 09:42 PM, said:

A US judge has just ruled there is no legal connection between the 'Russian troll factory' and the Kremlin, so legally no Russian Government trolling.

What case was this?
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Posted 13 July 2019 - 07:40 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 13 July 2019 - 08:39 AM, said:

What case was this?
Didn't read it? Why am I not surprised? I should start a thread about censorship.

"Judge Shreds Mueller 'Evidence' Of Kremlin Meddling"

Judge Dabney L. Friedrich ruled this week that the Special Counsel's indictment of a Russian troll farm "does not link the defendants to the Russian government," and "alleges only private conduct by private actors."

Following the February, 2018 indictment of three Russian firms and 13 Russian nationals, Mueller's office was caught off guard when some of the Russians actually showed up in US court to defend themselves.


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Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:30 PM

And Blackwater (or whatever it's called now) isn't technically part of the U.S. government. In other words, the Russian government has mastered the art of contracting out their dirty work. Were the Paid Russian Trolls being paid? By whom? And for what purpose?
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Posted 13 July 2019 - 09:56 PM

View Postbaw1064, on 13 July 2019 - 08:30 PM, said:

And Blackwater (or whatever it's called now) isn't technically part of the U.S. government. In other words, the Russian government has mastered the art of contracting out their dirty work. Were the Paid Russian Trolls being paid? By whom? And for what purpose?
I simply do not know why trolls get so much attention and why people cannot see past that. There are much bigger subversive organisations out there that want to limit our ability to think and make informed decisions, like voting for example. Russian trolls are being used to blind us and distract us while the real criminals and organisations - Trump - Apple - Amazon - world banks - global companies and billionaires - cream off our labors. We are being used and lead by the nose.

I say this then this guy or that guy says 'I am lapping it up'. A dumb tool of Russian disinformation. What a joke.
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Posted 13 July 2019 - 10:06 PM

@George Rowell: do you know the name of the case and have any reporting on it other than your link. A quick google search didn't turn up anything and the items in the link did not identify the case by name or cite to other reporting. I know you suspect censorship but indulge me.

ETA: OK, don't bother. I found it and it was covered in virtually all mainstream news publications. You are referring to Concord Management's motion to hold the government in contempt for releasing portions of the Mueller Report which contained conclusions linking the defendants to the Russian government which is matter not covered in the indictment and, therefore prejudicial pretrial publicity. In other words the indictment did not charge the connection although the Mueller report did. The judge did not hold the claim was untrue; he held it wasn't part of the case before him.

The court did not hold the government lawyers in contempt and did not dismiss the case against any of the defendants including the individual Russians who were indicted. Neither those Russians nor the Russian government made the motion. Concord Management did.

What exactly you think that proves, one way or the other, about the truth of the Mueller report's conclusions, is unclear to me.

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:21 PM

View PostJackD, on 13 July 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

@George Rowell: do you know the name of the case and have any reporting on it other than your link. A quick google search didn't turn up anything and the items in the link did not identify the case by name or cite to other reporting. I know you suspect censorship but indulge me.

ETA: OK, don't bother. I found it and it was covered in virtually all mainstream news publications. You are referring to Concord Management's motion to hold the government in contempt for releasing portions of the Mueller Report which contained conclusions linking the defendants to the Russian government which is matter not covered in the indictment and, therefore prejudicial pretrial publicity. In other words the indictment to not charge the connection although the Mueller report did. The judge did not hold the claim was untrue; he held it wasn't part of the case before him.

The court did not hold the government lawyers in contempt and did not dismiss the case against any of the defendants including the individual Russians who were indicted. Neither those Russians not the Russian government made the motion. Concord Management did.

What exactly you think that proves, one way or the other, about the truth of the Mueller report's conclusions, is unclear to me.
There has been a lot of news about Concord. My point is that there is still no proven link to the Kremlin regarding Concord and the judge pointed this out.

I have to be honest Jack, my eyes glaze over when I read about Mueller, Russian interference and collusion. If you were to look deep enough into any American election campaign you would probably find links to Russia and Israel and unproven suspicions and bad faith. The Steele dossier does interest me because I met a lot of spooks in my line of work at all levels from people who put things up telephone poles, to tinker-bells, State and ex-heads of state security chiefs (including Ugandan, Rhodesian, Algerian) and all the up to the head of GCHQ, one of whom was my and my partners company chairman. They are both larger than life and lower than life and sometimes very fascinating. I could write a book that would not be published. So I grin at a few of these guys exploits.

While Trump is a disgrace to America he is leading the distraction. that is how I see it all. A distraction that is not going anywhere.
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 08:43 AM

Thanks, Jack. We're back to the "absence of proof is not proof of absence" thing. In particular, the Report takes a relationship as known when the evidence of it is in the "methods and means" part that the spooks guard like their own children (or better.)
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