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#3641 LFC

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 05:50 PM

It's all bald-faced lies all the time now. They have no other defense. And still the media is timid about shutting them down when they lie.

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CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin on Tuesday found himself astonished at the efforts of President Donald Trump and his allies to blatantly lie about the contents of Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report on the origins of the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russian agents during the 2016 campaign.

Even though the report found that the investigation into the Trump campaign was justified and not tainted by political bias, Trump allies have claimed that it vindicates his fevered conspiracy theories about a “deep state” that worked to undermine his presidency.
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“There has been this tremendous lying operation, even by the standards of the Trump administration,” Toobin said. “It did say that certain lower level FBI employees behaved improperly, and in a seriously bad way, but at the core accusation that the FBI targeted the Trump campaign, spied on the Trump campaign, is just a complete repudiation in this report. And, you know, to pretend otherwise is just a disgrace.”

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 11:53 AM

Sen. Chuck Grassley debases himself ahead of the Senate impeachment hearing. This is nothing short of excusing attempts (unsuccessful but that doesn't matter) to conspire with a foreign government for help in an election, lying about 100 contacts with that government, and obstructing a legitimate investigation.

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Prominent Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee pre-gamed Wednesday’s hearing with appearances on cable news to hype President Trump and Attorney General Bill Barr’s “spying” assessment of the Russia report.

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) made an appearance on Fox Business Network Wednesday morning to peddle accusations that the FBI spied on the Trump campaign, a conspiracy thoroughly debunked by the Justice Department inspector general’s report on the launch of the probe released Monday.

“The issue here isn’t just spying on the Trump campaign, there (are) a lot of constitutional rights that were compromised to get reasons from the court to spy on the Trump campaign. And if it could happen to Trump it could happen to you, Maria (Bartiromo), or anybody else in America,” Grassley said about the FISA application process. “There are civil liberties that are potentially violated because of the FBI having political opposition, at least the leaders of the FBI having, political opposition to the President and want to go keep him from being president even after he became president finding ways to get him thrown out of office.”

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) appeared on Fox News’ “America’s Newsroom” an hour later and didn’t even attempt to spin the findings of the report, instead taking a page from Barr’s book and outright disagreeing with the conclusions — that there were no political motivations behind the decision to launch the Russia probe.

“I think the real conclusion, when you read all the facts, I disagree with his final conclusion that political motivation didn’t play a role,” he said. “I think it’s clear the senior leadership there were hard Democratic partisans. The only way you justify sending in spies to spy on the Trump campaign when he is the Republican nominee for president. He is the leading contender on the Republican side and the FBI is sending in spies to spy on his campaign.”

The spin isn’t novel coming from Republicans, but it’s particularly notable for two sitting committee members to use in the hours before a public hearing with the Justice Department’s watchdog to peddle outright fake DOJ IG report conclusions.


I disagree with TPM. There's nothing particularly notable about any lies that Republicans tell anymore.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 11:57 AM

View PostLFC, on 10 December 2019 - 12:43 PM, said:

Rick Gates gets sentenced next week. He's asking for no prison time. He's certainly tried to earn that with his cooperation.

Federal prosecutors agree.

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Federal prosecutors and Rick Gates, the President’s former deputy campaign chairman, agree: Gates did the crimes, but he shouldn’t do any time.

Gates asked a judge for probation, not prison time, in a sentencing memorandum filed Monday, more than 21 months after he pleaded guilty to conspiring against the United States and lying to the FBI.

And on Tuesday, Justice Department prosecutors filed their own memorandum commending Gates for his “extraordinary” cooperation with several investigations, and saying they did not oppose his probation request — as long as he kept cooperating.

Gates “worked assiduously” to cooperate with several investigations after pleading guilty, prosecutors said, providing “extraordinary” and “substantial assistance in the investigation and prosecution of others.” He cooperated despite receiving pressure not to, they said, “including assurances of monetary assistance.”

Gates attorney Thomas Green claimed his client spent more than 500 hours with prosecutors in special counsel Robert Mueller’s office, other federal and state law enforcement, and congressional investigators. Prosecutors said Gates met “on more than 50 occasions with numerous prosecutors and investigators from a range of Department of Justice components.”

Information from Gates has been used in more than a dozen search warrants, prosecutors said.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 12:02 PM

More lies by Trump. Sounds like one more count in Lisa Page's defamation suit against him. I hope Strzok files his own suit.

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President Trump took his repeated attack against “FBI lovers” Lisa Page and Peter Strzok to another level during a re-election rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania Tuesday night.

During the rally, Trump revamped his usual “FBI lovers” attack by baselessly claiming that the “FBI lovers” had a “restraining order” to keep Strzok away from Page. Last October, Trump appeared to mock Page and Strzok by making panting noises and creating a fake dialogue between the two about how they hate that “son of a bitch” Trump.

“So FBI lawyer Lisa Page was so in love she didn’t know what the hell was happening,” Trump said Tuesday evening. “Texted the head of counterintelligence Peter Strzok, likewise so in love he couldn’t see straight! This poor guy. Did I hear he needed a restraining order after this whole thing to keep him away from Lisa? That’s what I heard.”

However, Trump admitted that he doesn’t know if the supposed restraining order is real.

“I don’t know if it’s true,” Trump said. “The fake news will never report it, but it could be true.”

After pointing out the reporters who were gathered in the back so that the audience could audibly boo them, Trump repeated the baseless claim and gave yet another convoluted explanation for it.

“Now that’s what I heard, I don’t know,” Trump said. “I mean, who could believe a thing like that? No, I heard Peter Strzok needed a restraining order to keep him away from his once lover. Lisa, I hope you miss him. Lisa, he will never be the same.”

Trump failed to make clear where he learned about the baseless claim. According to a Daily Beast report Tuesday, a source familiar with Page’s thinking said that Trump’s restraining order allegation is “absolutely untrue.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 12:08 PM

View PostLFC, on 11 December 2019 - 12:02 PM, said:

More lies by Trump. Sounds like one more count in Lisa Page's defamation suit against him. I hope Strzok files his own suit.

Trump acts as if he's in a club somewhere doing a blue stand up routine. Is this the way we want public officials to act in public?

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 12:31 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 11 December 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

Trump acts as if he's in a club somewhere doing a blue stand up routine. Is this the way we want public officials to act in public?

"We" as in us? No. The MAGAts? Yes. A million times yes.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

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""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 12:43 PM

View PostLFC, on 11 December 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

"We" as in us? No. The MAGAts? Yes. A million times yes.

I keep hoping for the Twilight Zone theme song to swell up with Rod Serling coming forward to explain that this is all a morality play designed to make us step away from reality tv shows and the desire for simplistic answers to complex problems.

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 03:40 PM

More Lindsey lying. It's endless.

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At Wednesday’s Senate Judiciary hearing for the inspector general report into the FBI’s investigation of the 2016 Trump campaign’s ties to Russia, chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) ran his usual interference for President Donald Trump and his false conspiracy theories about a “deep state” plot to undermine his election. But he also introduced a new lie: that the FBI was “able to stop” the Russian attacks on the electoral process.

“I want the American people to know there was an effort to effect Hillary Clinton’s campaign by foreign actors,” said Graham. “The FBI picked up that effort, they briefed her about it, and they were able to stop it.”

Vox’s Aaron Rupar was quick to point out this claim is false. In fact, it is hard to conceive of how it would even have been possible to “stop” the Russian interference campaign, given that it took the form of propaganda disseminating on social media about documents stolen from the Democratic Party, and such viral content sharing would persist even if the perpetrators of the theft were caught before votes were cast — which, in any case, they were not.


He also threw a little outrage tantrum show and (SURPRISE!) lied.

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Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham exploded in anger as he questioned Inspector General Michael Horowitz, demanding to know why the FBI did not notify then-candidate Donald Trump and his campaign in 2016 that they were the subjects of a counterintelligence investigation to determine how Russia was attacking the U.S. and if any members of the Trump campaign were involved.

Chairman Graham appeared to ignore all the signs that Donald Trump and his campaign may have been conspiring with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election, including Trump’s infamous “Russia, if you’re listening” remarks.

The FBI “never made any effort to brief Donald Trump about suspected problems within his campaign,” Graham lamented, again, ignoring the FBI was working to determine if Trump or anyone else was colluding with Russia.

The FBI did warn the Trump campaign Russia was working to undermine the election. Trump appears to have taken that warning as an invitation to an opportunity to win the election rather than to protect the nation.

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 03:43 PM

Lies, malicious lies, and Bill Barr's treason.

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I implied yesterday a difference between lies and malicious lies. One can lie while knowing the facts. One can lie while knowing the facts for the purpose of doing harm. The latter is what the president and the Republican leadership did Tuesday. I want to talk today about a more sinister level of mendacity: lying to injure one’s own country.

The inspector general of the US Department of Justice said Monday that the FBI was right to open an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. There was no spying. There was no attempted coup. There was nothing political going on. Yes, mistakes were made, but they were within the bounds of good-faith behavior. More plainly, the narrative the Republicans had been peddling, about a “deep state” in league with the Democrats and former Obama administration officials, was false.
The attorney general is known for defending the “unitary presidency.” That’s a lie.

Donald Trump and Steve Scalise, to name only two Republicans, said the opposite. They claimed the IG report didn’t debunk their fictional narrative. It proved it. They lied knowing the lie would injure our faith in truth. They lied with malicious intent.

That, however, was nothing compared to what Bill Barr did. The US attorney general made clear Tuesday in a series of statements during an interview with NBC News he was leading a concerted effort to validate—to make real—the Republicans’ malicious lie: that a “deep state” was out to get the president. Barr made clear he was part of a concerted effort to defraud Americans of their right to know the truth about 2016, and of their right to call on the government to prevent the same from happening again.

His statements weren’t just lies. They weren’t just malicious. They were treasonous.

Without citing any evidence of any kind, Barr said the IG report was incorrect and that the Department of Justice, led by his hand-licked investigator, would conduct its own investigation into the investigation. Barr said “there was and never has been any evidence of collusion and yet [Trump’s] campaign and the president’s administration has been dominated by this investigation into what turns out to be completely baseless."

Yes, there was evidence of collusion. No, the investigation wasn’t baseless.

Bill Barr added that the FBI “jumped right into a full-scale investigation before they even went to talk to the foreign officials about exactly what was said. ... They opened an investigation into the campaign and they used very intrusive techniques.”

All of which the IG report says didn’t happen. But here’s the worst, per NBC:

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“From a civil liberties standpoint, the greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government use the apparatus of the state … both to spy on political opponents but also to use them in a way that could affect the outcome of an election,” Barr said. He added that this was the first time in history that “counterintelligence techniques” were used against a presidential campaign.

You see what he’s doing? He’s accusing the former Democratic administration of doing the same thing the House Democrats are accusing the current Republican administration of doing. It’s a terrible thing, Barr said, when the incumbent uses the state to rig an election’s outcome. It’s a terrible thing, Barr could have said, for an American president to extort a Ukrainian leader into announcing an investigation into his closest political rival. What the attorney general is saying without saying is that this is very, very bad when a Democrat does it, not so bad when a Republican does it.

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 03:45 PM

Barr's lying and naked partisanship is so awful that Joe Scarborough is calling for a change to the Constitution that would help prevent the partisan weaponization of the DOJ.

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Scarborough said he has believed all along that democratic institutions would hold strong against Trump’s abuses, but he said Barr’s attacks have made him question that faith.

“I’ve always said, our institution will check him, Madisonian democracy will check him,” he said. “I’m not a big believer of going in and talking about constitutional conventions or changing this part of the government or that part of the government. I will say three years in that the one area where our system obviously needs to be checked has to do with the appointing of an attorney general, and I was saying this before Barr became the attorney general.”

If democracy holds against Trump, he said changes must be made to prevent another Barr from serving the president’s interests instead of the Constitution.

“I think there has to be a higher — forgive the pun — a higher bar to becoming attorney general of the United States,” Scarborough said. “Maybe it’s a two-thirds vote in the Senate to select and remove somebody. We just can’t have any president having an attorney general who will protect them from criminal actions that they’ve taken.”

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 03:52 PM

The IG report found no anti-Trump bias at the FBI that had any impact on the investigations BUT it did find anti-Clinton bias that we know was acted upon through illegal leaks.

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Horowitz did find, however, that numerous FBI agents sent anti-Clinton text messages and expressed a desire to investigate the Clinton Foundation, which was at the center of numerous baseless Trump conspiracy theories during the campaign and after the election.

The report said that investigators reviewed text messages by senior FBI agents “which reflect their support for Trump in the 2016 elections.”

“If you hear talk of a special prosecutor … I will volunteer to work [on] the Clinton Foundation,” one FBI agent wrote to another on Nov. 9, 2016, according to the report.’

The agent also wrote that he “was so elated with the election” that it was like “watching a Superbowl comeback.”

The agent told the inspector general’s office that he “fully expected Hillary Clinton to walk away with the election but, as the returns [came] in … it was just energizing to me to see … [because] I didn’t want a criminal to be in the White House.”

The report included a text exchange in which two agents celebrated Trump’s win.

“Sh*t just got real,” one of them wrote. “I saw a lot of scared MFers on … [my way to work] this morning. Start looking for new jobs fellas. Haha.”

This is not the first time Horowitz found anti-Clinton bias at the FBI. He released another report in 2018 finding that former FBI Director James Comey reopened the probe into Clinton’s emails just before the election out of fear that anti-Clinton FBI agents at the bureau’s New York field office would leak information.

Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch told investigators that Comey told her it had “become clear to him … that there is a cadre of senior people in New York who have a deep and visceral hatred of Secretary Clinton.”

“He said it is, it is deep … He said it was surprising to him or stunning to him,” Lynch said, according to Horowitz’s report. She added that “it was hard to manage because these were agents that were very, very senior, or had even had timed out and were staying on, and therefore did not really feel under pressure from headquarters or anything to that effect.”

“My worry was, I have to be careful that people in New York aren’t by virtue of political enthusiasm, trying to take action that will generate noise that will have an impact on the election,” Comey himself told investigators.

Other FBI officials agreed with Comey’s assessment.

“We were quite confident that … somebody is going to leak this fact,” former FBI counsel James Baker said, according to the report. “That we have all these emails. That, if we don’t put out a letter, somebody is going to leak it.”

Former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates confirmed that FBI brass “felt confident that the New York Field Office would leak it and that it would come out regardless of whether [Comey] advised Congress or not.”

In fact, leaking is exactly what the FBI agents apparently did ahead of the election.

One FBI agent told The Guardian in October 2016 that Clinton was “the antichrist personified to a large swath of FBI personnel,” and that “the reason why they’re leaking is they’re pro-Trump.”

Ultimately, Comey, his deputy Andrew McCabe, Baker, Strzok and Page were all pushed out of the DOJ and FBI. It remains unclear whether any FBI agents identified as biased against Clinton were disciplined in any way.

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 04:50 PM

And still the R's complain, loudly and nasally.
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Posted 11 December 2019 - 06:08 PM

View PostPractical Girl, on 11 December 2019 - 04:50 PM, said:

And still the R's complain, loudly and nasally.

Oh, yeah. Remember the leaks to Giuliani from the NY FBI office? The IG is still "looking into them." If a guy this afraid to piss of Trump can't back any of his conspiracy theories then there's seriously NOTHING there, not even a shred.

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As I noted earlier this morning, three years on Michael Horowitz still claims he’s going to get around to the probe that predates any of these other investigations he’s released to great fanfare. This is the probe into whether anti-Clinton agents at the New York City FBI field office forced James Comey’s hands in sending that possibly election turning letter in the final days of the campaign. Well, he got asked and he says, yep, he’s still working on it. Just seemingly taking a super long time. It’s the Horowitz pattern, don’t ask any questions or push any probes that could yield findings that will make President Trump mad.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 11:21 AM

Josh Marshall lays out the facts in the decision to investigate the Russian aligned Trumpies. As he said this whole nonsense about the FBI inappropriately starting the investigation is "gaslighting" at its worst. There is no objective way to make that case. It simply requires bald-faced lying, something the GOP has decided is now their primary political strategy. It sure as hell ain't governing.

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Over the last three days we’ve witnessed a furious debate over just how and why the Russia probe (“Crossfire Hurricane”) began and whether political “bias” played a role in that decision. You will note that even in his statements and report, Inspector General Michael Horowitz stated that while he found no evidence of political or anti-Trump bias he could not rule out that it had played a role. Meanwhile Bill Barr suggested that Horowitz simply didn’t have the tools or perhaps sufficient aggressiveness to unearth it. Like the force of gravity that remains unseen but clearly forces all matter to fall downward, not finding any visible evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there. But the whole conversation assumes that there is a problem or deficiency that must be explained when in fact that whole premise is simply absurd.

What was eventually proven about the Trump campaign’s actions may remain a matter of controversy. But the idea that there wasn’t enough evidence or “predicate” to start the probe is simply bizarre and only makes any sense in a climate of long-term distortion, gaslighting and organized lying. It is important to shake those off and see the matter in a clear light.

Let’s go back to the time in question, absent everything that has happened in the subsequent three-and-a-half years and see what information counterintelligence officials had on July 31st, 2016 when they made the decision to launch the investigation.

This isn’t an exhaustive list and I’ve left out developments which had already occurred but investigators appear not to have known about. Again, this is not an exhaustive list, but it is an instructive one.

March 21st: Trump announces a five-man foreign policy team. One member had already been surveilled by the FBI as a potential agent of Russia. Indeed, the FBI has prosecuted Russian intelligence officers for attempting to recruit him. Carter Page had already been the target of FISA surveillance in 2013 and 2014. That surveillance requires probable cause to believe that the target is working as the agent of a foreign power.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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